PEP Policy Discussion

[sMASH]

it has to be defense cause 'know hm very well' 'well known back in the day' that is the gist of all the files that people bussing.

so, the sum total for persons who did not grow up in north, and not around in the 80's, all we know, is the valid issues he is raising.

and after hearing the list of charges against him, we still end up knowing nothing.

i heard that expo ting raised. what about that expo?... talk about it instead of pelting corn hoping it fall in garden. relate the story,

i know rowley take 3m and give his daughter to spend on paintings, i know he take 1.5m and give cuffie for his foreign treatment, i know kamla give out box drain like wow, for monies like wow, but the ting looking like piper build it. i know 2m spent on a flag and polce. i know 9m spent on wrecking services for a 2m fire truck.

the most i hear is, expo. what about the expo? ..........expo, *if u dont know, then hard luck, we not tellin yuh*

[reboot2020]

[VexXx Dogg]

Classic populist rhetoric, I see.

**Only watched the one on housing. Will take in the rest later.

[Dizzy28]

Classic populist rhetoric, I see.

**Only watched the one on housing. Will take in the rest later.

With an electorate as unrefined and polarized as ours anyone seriously trying to contend would have to be populist.

I fail to see why PEP can't be an attractive proposition in an election b/c the argument he is tainted when the current crop of 41 sitting in Tower D has among others -
Camille "dont know how to use a credit card or fill our a source of funds" Regis,
Rental Rawi,
Darrel Epstein I mean Smith,
Rohan "the luckiest land owner in Trinidad" Sinanan
Keith Landate Rowley [who also is the real OG when it comes to ride or die for his soldiers]
Food Card Jennings
Burkie Mcdonald
Edmund "Manhattan" Dillon

Suruj "Maybe a doctor maybe not" Rambachan
Coonilal Monilal (Let Randull put in whatever accusation for him)
Ganga "TTPost/Desalcott/Incogen" Singh

TBH now that I look at it the UNC 18 not looking all that bad having cut Warner, Gypsy etc as compared to the virtual Suicide Squad the PNM have, even discounting for idiots like Stewie, Lovie etc.

[sMASH]

mind listing out the UNC slate? im not up to scratch

[Dizzy28]

mind listing out the UNC slate? im not up to scratch

1 Barataria/San Juan Fuad Khan (PP/UNC)
2 Caroni Central Bhoendradatt Tewarie (PP/UNC)
3 Caroni East Tim Gopeesingh (PP/UNC)
4 Chaguanas East Fazal Karim (PP/UNC)
5 Chaguanas West Ganga Singh (PP/UNC)
6 Couva North Ramona Ramdial (PP/UNC)
7 Couva South Rudranath Indarsingh (PP/UNC)
8 Cumuto/Manzanilla Christine Newallo-Hosein (PP/UNC)
9 Fyzabad Lackram Bodoe (PP/UNC)
10 Mayaro Rushton Paray (PP/UNC)
11 Naparima Rodney Charles (PP/UNC)
12 Oropouche East Roodal Moonilal (PP/UNC)
13 Oropouche West Vidia Gayadeen-Goopeesingh (PP/UNC)
14 Pointe-a-Pierre David Lee (PP/UNC) - Opposition Chief Whip
15 Princes Town Barry Padarath (PP/UNC)
16 Siparia Kamla Persad-Bissessar (PP/UNC) - Leader of the Opposition
17 St. Augustine Prakash Ramadhar (PP/COP)
18 Tabaquite Surujrattan Rambachan (PP/UNC)

[VexXx Dogg]

Classic populist rhetoric, I see.

**Only watched the one on housing. Will take in the rest later.

With an electorate as unrefined and polarized as ours anyone seriously trying to contend would have to be populist.

I fail to see why PEP can't be an attractive proposition in an election b/c the argument he is tainted when the current crop of 41 sitting in Tower D has among others -
Camille "dont know how to use a credit card or fill our a source of funds" Regis,
Rental Rawi,
Darrel Epstein I mean Smith,
Rohan "the luckiest land owner in Trinidad" Sinanan
Keith Landate Rowley [who also is the real OG when it comes to ride or die for his soldiers]
Food Card Jennings
Burkie Mcdonald
Edmund "Manhattan" Dillon

Suruj "Maybe a doctor maybe not" Rambachan
Coonilal Monilal (Let Randull put in whatever accusation for him)
Ganga "TTPost/Desalcott/Incogen" Singh

TBH now that I look at it the UNC 18 not looking all that bad having cut Warner, Gypsy etc as compared to the virtual Suicide Squad the PNM have, even discounting for idiots like Stewie, Lovie etc.

My issue with that is the basis of the populist policies will be fundamentally flawed if it punishes the 'rich' because of the assumption that they are all corrupt.

The 'rich' being anyone who's not poor, since we doh have a middle class anymore.

Poor good, rich bad? Am I oversimplifying their vision?

[sMASH]

mind listing out the UNC slate? im not up to scratch

1 Barataria/San Juan Fuad Khan (PP/UNC)
2 Caroni Central Bhoendradatt Tewarie (PP/UNC)
3 Caroni East Tim Gopeesingh (PP/UNC)
4 Chaguanas East Fazal Karim (PP/UNC)
5 Chaguanas West Ganga Singh (PP/UNC)
6 Couva North Ramona Ramdial (PP/UNC)
7 Couva South Rudranath Indarsingh (PP/UNC)
8 Cumuto/Manzanilla Christine Newallo-Hosein (PP/UNC)
9 Fyzabad Lackram Bodoe (PP/UNC)
10 Mayaro Rushton Paray (PP/UNC)
11 Naparima Rodney Charles (PP/UNC)
12 Oropouche East Roodal Moonilal (PP/UNC)
13 Oropouche West Vidia Gayadeen-Goopeesingh (PP/UNC)
14 Pointe-a-Pierre David Lee (PP/UNC) - Opposition Chief Whip
15 Princes Town Barry Padarath (PP/UNC)
16 Siparia Kamla Persad-Bissessar (PP/UNC) - Leader of the Opposition
17 St. Augustine Prakash Ramadhar (PP/COP)
18 Tabaquite Surujrattan Rambachan (PP/UNC)

better than the balisier slate, but some ah dem... i have some apprehensions.

[j.o.e]

Please remember Anil ‘Lifesport’ Roberts is back in the UNC fold

[zoom rader]

mind listing out the UNC slate? im not up to scratch

1 Barataria/San Juan Fuad Khan (PP/UNC)
2 Caroni Central Bhoendradatt Tewarie (PP/UNC)
3 Caroni East Tim Gopeesingh (PP/UNC)
4 Chaguanas East Fazal Karim (PP/UNC)
5 Chaguanas West Ganga Singh (PP/UNC)
6 Couva North Ramona Ramdial (PP/UNC)
7 Couva South Rudranath Indarsingh (PP/UNC)
8 Cumuto/Manzanilla Christine Newallo-Hosein (PP/UNC)
9 Fyzabad Lackram Bodoe (PP/UNC)
10 Mayaro Rushton Paray (PP/UNC)
11 Naparima Rodney Charles (PP/UNC)
12 Oropouche East Roodal Moonilal (PP/UNC)
13 Oropouche West Vidia Gayadeen-Goopeesingh (PP/UNC)
14 Pointe-a-Pierre David Lee (PP/UNC) - Opposition Chief Whip
15 Princes Town Barry Padarath (PP/UNC)
16 Siparia Kamla Persad-Bissessar (PP/UNC) - Leader of the Opposition
17 St. Augustine Prakash Ramadhar (PP/COP)
18 Tabaquite Surujrattan Rambachan (PP/UNC)

If a foreigner saw those names he would may want to know what part of India is this.

Then agian when you visit the TT embassies abroad you begin to think that what part of Africa is this

[krai888]

and I thought the green new deal was extreme.

[j.o.e]

Who are the other senior ppl in PEP? I don’t attend meetings but seems like a one man show. Genuinely curious

[Dohplaydat]

Who are the other senior ppl in PEP? I don’t attend meetings but seems like a one man show. Genuinely curious

I gave PEP a chance, but a lot of them are just..... How to put this lightly..... Too inepth to know that they're not cut out for this.

Intelligence, social skills and being realistic are important traits in politics for many reasons. PEP seems really really naive in many ways. I don't want to bash them because what they're doing is still commendable, but honestly I would not vote for them.

I have my issues with UNC but as a government they're quite effective.

[K_J_R]

i am confused, i thought this PEA fella left the party?

so what he come back now?

http://www.looptt.com/content/pep-leade ... cal-career

[K74T]

Who out deyyy

[rspann]

Nah. I red and ready.

[VexXx Dogg]

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Who out deyyy

They musbe need deposit money

[K74T]

reboot2020/PEA, yuh sticking dey bigman.

OP sponsoring the after march lime by Trotters after, might be a small crowd.

[sMASH]

this is real democracy at work.

[VexXx Dogg]

this is real democracy at work.

How so?

[sMASH]

^^ people, citizens dictating the pace of the country, and getting it done... not some elites in offices.

[VexXx Dogg]

^^ people, citizens dictating the pace of the country, and getting it done... not some elites in offices.

Fair enough.

I saw it as a call to action by a militia leader under the guise of a peaceful protest - easily escalatable to a runaway mob.

Kinda like if Abu-Bakr lead a 100k person march in POS to protest and said it's going to be non-violent (winkwink)

The fact that the government did not counter the march is indeed good from a democratic perspective.

[sMASH]

History is written by the Victor.
What gets written depends on the aftermath.

If the US pulls out, he would be a champion.
If the US does not and strike him down, he would be a rebel dissident, that was neutralized.


At the end, would it be what thd people want, or the US military?

[Ben_spanna]

Who are the other senior ppl in PEP? I don’t attend meetings but seems like a one man show. Genuinely curious

I gave PEP a chance, but a lot of them are just..... How to put this lightly..... Too inepth to know that they're not cut out for this.

Intelligence, social skills and being realistic are important traits in politics for many reasons. PEP seems really really naive in many ways. I don't want to bash them because what they're doing is still commendable, but honestly I would not vote for them.

I have my issues with UNC but as a government they're quite effective.

Every young politician has to start somewhere, they need to learn as they go along, neither of the 2 main parties started with brilliance.
Yes i know its a hard place to decide whom to vote into power, but arent you truly FEDUP of the MASS dishonesty, corruption and blatent racism that is currently plaguing our politican ?

[sMASH]

With the economy the way it is, we need a hail Mary, not a measured incrementalist approach.

My first option is pep, and second is unc.

[Slartibartfast]

Our democracy is broken because we are not using it properly. We vote based on who we think will win the next election which is the dumbest thing we can do. This is why 3rd parties cannot get a proper foothold.

All you need to do is vote for who you think is best even if you are 100% sure that they will lose. Let your vote actually count. If the 3rd parties we have start getting more support then we will get better candidates as people figure out that it's not a waste of their time to go up for elections.

But please refrain from voting for UNC because you don't want PNM to win. The opposite happened last elections and the PNM are still convinced that we are in support of them because the only metric the have to accurately measure support for them shows it to be that way.

So vote for PEP if you think they are best, or MSJ or Progressive Party or whoever. Just stop voting for the "lesser of two evils" or else we will never get out of this spiral.

[sMASH]

we still suffer from too many tribal mentality

[VexXx Dogg]

Our democracy is broken because we are not using it properly. We vote based on who we think will win the next election which is the dumbest thing we can do. This is why 3rd parties cannot get a proper foothold.

All you need to do is vote for who you think is best even if you are 100% sure that they will lose. Let your vote actually count. If the 3rd parties we have start getting more support then we will get better candidates as people figure out that it's not a waste of their time to go up for elections.

But please refrain from voting for UNC because you don't want PNM to win. The opposite happened last elections and the PNM are still convinced that we are in support of them because the only metric the have to accurately measure support for them shows it to be that way.

So vote for PEP if you think they are best, or MSJ or Progressive Party or whoever. Just stop voting for the "lesser of two evils" or else we will never get out of this spiral.

Tried that with COP, tbh.
they looked the most promising, they talked the talk, they walked the walk until they did that foolishness with the PP

The difference between the COP and the PEP is chalk and cheese. I'm not an ecomonist nor a political scientist, but from my limited understanding on finance and pragmatic governance, the PEP's spiel is mostly nonsense.

If another party can come with the same weight, experience and sense like the COP did.....we might have a viable third contender. Right now, the PEP have a better chance than the COP tbh, and that's saying lots - considering I can pretty much predict a loss of deposit for each orange candidate.

[Slartibartfast]

Our democracy is broken because we are not using it properly. We vote based on who we think will win the next election which is the dumbest thing we can do. This is why 3rd parties cannot get a proper foothold.

All you need to do is vote for who you think is best even if you are 100% sure that they will lose. Let your vote actually count. If the 3rd parties we have start getting more support then we will get better candidates as people figure out that it's not a waste of their time to go up for elections.

But please refrain from voting for UNC because you don't want PNM to win. The opposite happened last elections and the PNM are still convinced that we are in support of them because the only metric the have to accurately measure support for them shows it to be that way.

So vote for PEP if you think they are best, or MSJ or Progressive Party or whoever. Just stop voting for the "lesser of two evils" or else we will never get out of this spiral.

Tried that with COP, tbh.
they looked the most promising, they talked the talk, they walked the walk until they did that foolishness with the PP

The difference between the COP and the PEP is chalk and cheese. I'm not an ecomonist nor a political scientist, but from my limited understanding on finance and pragmatic governance, the PEP's spiel is mostly nonsense.

If another party can come with the same weight, experience and sense like the COP did.....we might have a viable third contender. Right now, the PEP have a better chance than the COP tbh, and that's saying lots - considering I can pretty much predict a loss of deposit for each orange candidate.

COP did more harm than good in the end. What they did with the PP made people lose hope in third parties and basically secured power for UNC/PNM for the next decade.

But at the end of the day, we are going to have to start using the democratic system the way it is meant to be used and stop voting based on outcome. We already tried UNC and PNM, both of which have shown that that they unfit to represent us so it is time we start moving on to other alternatives. UNC/PNM not going to try to represent us if they know they can get what they want without doing it.

[VexXx Dogg]

I had some older research from about 10 years ago on the democratic systems and a couple alternatives jumped out.

The westminster democracy, or the variant that we have is a dead end IMHO. We keep beating a dead horse and making the same mistakes and expect different outcomes.

When I was reading, I found Lijphart's work on consocationalism and consensus democracies to be quite interesting. The experts can chime in here.