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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby megadoc1 » October 14th, 2014, 6:13 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ that article was either badly written or what the lecturer wrote was badly written.

I don't think the plan is for anyone going there to fight to come back, but it may be the plan of the ISIS leaders to send people to countries to carry out attacks mostly in USA, UK, Australia and France.

What I don't get though is that many people are saying ISIS does not represent Islam and what ISIS are doing is not Islam, yet there is no mass public outrage and protests against ISIS the way there was for drawings of the prophet or even the Israel attacks on Gaza. I'd think this ISIS situation would be far worse since ISIS are claimed to be grossly misrepresenting Islam and using the sacred name of Islam to carry out these terrible acts. ISIS refer to themselves as the Islamic State. The ISIS flag carries part of the shahada (an Islamic creed declaring belief in the oneness of God and the acceptance of Muhammad as God's prophet) and it also carried the seal of the prophet which they fly prominently as they go around carrying out acts that most muslims are claiming are not Islamic. Why no mass public outrage? No social media outrage?

Very good observation Duane. I really believed that the Muslim community will only rise up
When they begin to suffer because of isis ,until then they would silently cheer along
BTW where is adamb ?

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Postby Ted_v2 » October 14th, 2014, 6:26 pm

ebola and isis connected?

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby 16 cycles » October 20th, 2014, 9:16 am

I’M NO ISIS POINT MAN
Sunday Express on trail of recruiter for Syria fighters; Rio Claro Imam declares:
By By Asha Javeed asha.javeed@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Oct 18, 2014 at 9:47 PM ECT

Story Updated: Oct 18, 2014 at 9:47 PM ECT

Last week, the Sunday Express interviewed Joan Crawford, the mother of 29 year-old Shane “Asadullah” Crawford, who left Trinidad and Tobago last December to fight in the civil war in Syria on behalf of the Islamic State (ISIS).
This week, the newspaper starts pie­cing together how, why, where and when ISIS began recruiting Trinidadians from this tiny island 6,250 miles from Syria, and who is the point person here.
The trail took the Sunday Express to Rio Claro, Longdenville and Enterprise, Chaguana­s.

Part II

In 2009, Imam Nazim Mohammed came under the radar of the United States-based Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
Mohammed, the imam of the masjid in Boos Village, Rio Claro, said he was interviewed by the FBI prior to the Fifth Summit of the Americas, which took place in April 2009 in Port of Spain.
“They came here, right here in this masjid. They said their President (Barack Obama) was coming here and wanted to determine whether I was a threat. Very sophisticated men. Spoke Arabic,” he said.

In 2014, National Security believes Mohammed could be a possible local recruiter on behalf of terror group ISIS.
“I am hearing that I am a recruiter. But I am not sending anyone there. Perhaps they think I am a recruiter because I am outspoken, you see, but I am not recruiting anyone,” Mohammed said in an interview with the Sunday Express.


Mohammed said he was surprised when he heard 29-year-old Shane Crawford was fighting in Syria on behalf of ISIS.
Crawford, he said, felt oppressed, but Mohammed didn’t picture him at the forefront of war.
Mohammed said he had met Crawford several times because he used to pray at the mosque.
But he was more familiar with Crawford’s friend, Milton John Algernon, also known as Fareed Mustapha, 38, who had lived at Hibiscus Arch Road, Rio Claro, before he eventually moved to Campo Village, Cunupia.


Both Crawford and Algernon went to war-torn Syria in December 2013.


The Sunday Express met Mohammed two weeks ago before he delivered his weekly jum’ah on a Friday.

Mohammed was not inclined to speak to the newspaper, wary of how he, the Muslim community and the masjid would be portrayed in a story at a time of heightened national and global scrutiny on the religion.
But he conceded after jum’ah and sat down with the Sunday Express and several members of his masjid.


In 1990, Mohammed was a member of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen, which attempted to overthrow the Government on July 27 over a six-day period.
But he wouldn’t talk about that time to the Sunday Express, only a quick nod of affirmation of his involvement.


The Sunday Express sought information on whether the men were recruited to go to Syria from the Boos Village mosque, and whether any Trinidadian recruits had died fighting on behalf of ISIS.
He said if the names were provided he might be able to tell whether they had passed through the mosque, but insisted no members of his jamaat had gone to Syria to fight.
“Plenty people pass through the mosque over a period of time,” he said.

Asked why he thought Crawford and Algernon would leave Trinidad to fight a war, he explained some Muslims wanted to help their brothers and were joining the cause.

He said information about ISIS was only being transmitted by the Western media and he was hesitant to comment because Islam does not teach about killing brothers or oppressing women.
Islam, he said, does not allow for the beheading of innocent men.
“But you don’t know if these journalists were spies, whether they were actually killed or whether that is just propaganda,” he said.

Algernon’s journey to Syria

At one time, Algernon was the muadhin (the person who did the call to prayer) of the Boos masjid where he’d received his Islamic edu­cation.
Algernon, the Sunday Express was told, lived in Rio Claro for a period and had tried to pioneer the use of rabbit meat as an alternative to chicken.
He was sometimes referred as “Rabbit”.
He went from an agriculture novice, having left his job at AS Bryden, to become a director of the Trinidad and Tobago Agricultural Society and the vice-president of the Goat and Sheep Society.
“He learnt very quickly,” a friend, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Express.
But Algernon was not good at relationships, observed the friend, recalling several instances where he had difficulty with employers and in his personal life.
He fell out with Mohammed and left the masjid.
He had several wives, but ended his relationship with his first wife after she abandoned Islam.
He also had some difficulty with the Goat and Sheep Society, which put a strain on his ability to communicate, his friend said.
He was a loner for a while, not based in any masjid, recalled the friend.

After that, he would often talk about jihad.
“He had issues with authority, especially when it stepped on his own values.
“When we fail to recognise the issues and deal with it properly, we create a monster, especially when they are reaching out,” the friend said.
In 2010, Algernon and Crawford appeared before the Arima court on charges of being in possession of a Glock 9mm pistol, 110 live rounds of assorted ammunition and four firearm magazines.
Crawford’s wife, Jamilla Onika Luqman, 22, of Bournes Road, St James, and Wallerfield, was also charged.


Mohammed told the Sunday Express he was unaware Algernon had been charged.
In October 2011, he and 15 others were detained during the state of emergency for being part of a plot to kill Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and three Cabinet ministers and to cause panic in the country.

Crawford’s connections

Was the forced detention during the state of emergency the cata­lyst for the men going to war?
The Sunday Express has been able to verify three of the 16 men detained during the state of emergency are now in Syria, while two are in jail in Venezuela.
Apart from Crawford and Algernon, Ashmeed Mohammed, from La Romaine, also went to Syria in 2013.
And two of the five Trinidadian men still in jail in Venezuela since March—Dominic Pitilal, also known as “Jamal”, and Chionesu “Asim” Luqman, who are related to Crawford through his wife, Jamilla—were Syria-bound.
Imam Hamza Mohammed, of the Montrose mosque, who was also detained and released from Venezuela, said he met the men there.

H. Mohammed explained his group, which included Imam Hassam Hamid from Las Lomas and Abdul Salaam from Marabella, had travelled to Venezuela to get visas to go to Saudi Arabia for “Umrah”, a sacred pilgrimage to Mecca which can be undertaken at any time of the year.
In May, CCN TV6 multimedia journalist Mark Bassant had interviewed Luqman and Pitilal from their jail cell and questioned them about whether they intended going to Syria to fight in the war.
Luqman’s reply was: “I don’t know anything about that. I had no intention of going Syria. Why would I want to go there and take my family there and go into a worse situation?
“I came to Venezuela to try and get the visas for Umrah because last year I had applied but there were some problems with the licensed Haji dealers, and I brought my family across with me because we need a break from Trinidad.”

Pitilal stated, “That’s really funny. I just want them to produce the evidence of all these things.”
The men also denied knowing any Trinidadian who is believed to be in Syria at this time.
H. Mohammed said he knew Crawford because he had visited and prayed at his Montrose mosque several times after the state of emergency.

At the Masjid Al Khaleefah in Longdenville on Friday, Imam Lennox Agard (formerly reggae artiste Edoo Rankin from the Kiskadee Caravan), commonly called Edoo by his members, said Crawford had also prayed at his mosque.
Agard, who was on his way out of the masjid after Friday’s jum’ah when the Sunday Express caught up with him, was also hesitant to talk, suggesting the media always twists things and that he experienced that as an artiste.

“What have you come to find out? Am I the recruiter? Am I recruiting men for ISIS? Am I transporting and sending them to Syria?
“I was already interviewed by two officials from the Ministry of National Security this week. And what you’ll write in the papers, that Imam Edoo declined to speak and find some way to twist it,” he said.
When the Sunday Express asked which arm of the Ministry of National Security, he replied, “The ministry.”

Finding the recruiter

So who exactly is recruiting the men to Syria?
“There is no great mastermind behind this,” said Selywn “Robocop” Alexis in his office behind his grocery in Enterprise, Chaguanas, last Tuesday.

Alexis said he saw Crawford recently in his grocery and even had a visit from his wife last week.
He was surprised when he surfaced in a video on Facebook, he said. Crawford has two wives, one of whom travelled with him to Syria.
Alexis explained that some Muslims were following a hadith, which talks about the rise of someone in the Middle East.

“When a man rules over ash-Sham, and another over Egypt, and the Shami and Egyptian fight each other, and the people of ash-Sham take some of the tribes of Egypt captive, and a man comes forward from the east with small black banners towards the ruler of ash-Sham, then it is he who will hand over the rule to the Mahdi,” was the hadith he quoted, which explained why some men are joining the Syrian war.

Alexis believes people are just picking up and going to Syria.
“Crawford felt oppressed,” he said.
Would Alexis go to Syria to fight?
“Not me,” he said outright.
“You think those boys going Syria straight to fight? They have to be trained. They starting at the very bottom. They have to have about six months’ training at least. They not meeting anybody big. They are at the very bottom,” he said.


Alexis is still angry with the Government for being detained during the state of emergency.
“I voted them into power and I will vote them right back out,” he said.
He said he first met Crawford and “Rabbit” (Algernon) in prison in 2010 and the next time he met them was when they were detained for the state of emergency.

“Look at Ashmead Choate. He refused two of my children in his school about 20 years ago because of perception. And we ended up in jail together. I told him, ‘Look at us now.’ How could people who never talk to each other plot?” he shook his head.


The Sunday Express found Choate at his school on Friday to see if he could help shed light on the recruitment of local soldiers and how they were making their way to Syria.
But he said he’d had an unpleasant experience with this newspaper during the state of emergency and did not want to comment.
“Choate is a coward. He speaks well and he is bright in Islam, but he is a coward,” said Alexis.


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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby dj itchy & scratchy » October 20th, 2014, 9:09 pm

What we learn from ISIS' online magazine

(CNN) -- ISIS is looking to take over a good chunk of the Middle East -- if not the entire Muslim world. At least, that's the message the terrorist movement is sending in its English online magazine, Dabiq.
In Dabiq's first issue, which debuted in early July, the magazine declared that a "new era has arrived" for Muslims. Photographs in the webzine of ISIS militants in American armored vehicles rolling through Iraq seemed to buttress that claim.
Graphic photos of dead soldiers from Iraqi forces litter the pages of each of the issues of Dabiq, and articles detail skirmishes across Iraq and Syria.

Each issue of the magazine -- there have been four so far, appearing at roughly monthly intervals -- starts with a foreword that contains an inspirational message for readers, before diving into longer pieces that extol the virtues of ISIS and provide updates on the group's military campaign. ISIS members fervently believe that they have established a true "caliphate" in the areas that they control, a supposed distant echo of the perfect Islamic rule of the Prophet Mohammed and his immediate successors in the seventh century.

Overall, the magazine is quite religious in tone. Excerpts from rulings by Muslim scholars are included in every issue, as are religious rationales for the actions of ISIS.
In the most recent issue, an ISIS writer reasoned that capturing women from the Yazidis, an Iraqi minority group, to use as sex slaves was acceptable under ISIS' version of Sharia law, since the Yazidis are polytheists, a great heresy in Islam. Showing some convoluted logic, the ISIS writer also asserted that enslaving Yazidi women is a good way to stop adultery, since a man having sex with a concubine is legal under ISIS' interpretation of Islamic law, but sexual relations outside of marriage with free women are forbidden.

he magazines are also, unsurprisingly, highly sectarian, repeatedly showing images of Shia shrines and tombs that have been blown up by ISIS, a organization made up of members of the Sunni sect. ISIS believes these sites to be idolatrous. Iraqi Army soldiers -- who are generally Shia -- are referred to as "apostates" and graphic photos of their executions by ISIS fighters are a staple of the magazine.
Other articles aim to reassure readers that ISIS, which in June renamed itself the Islamic State, is an actual state that provides social services and reconstructs critical infrastructure. The magazine asserts that administrators govern towns after the main ISIS fighting force moves on and the most recent issue of Dabiq includes photos with captions showing "services for Muslims," including street cleaning, electricity repairs, care homes for the elderly and cancer treatment centers for children.

The first issue of Dabiq even had a sort of classified ad for "all Muslim doctors, engineers, scholars, and specialists" to come and join ISIS.
The most recent installment of Dabiq asserts that two new wilayat, or provinces, had been established in the region where the Syrian-Iraqi border had once been. The magazine describes the new provinces as a successful step in "eliminating any remaining traces of the kufri, nationalistic borders." Pictures of a military parade celebrating the announcement accompany the article, along with pictures of a well-staffed checkpoint, a bustling marketplace, and ISIS police patrolling the area.
In many ways Dabiq is not a new phenomenon. Osama bin Laden's Service Office during the 1980s Afghan war against the Soviets produced a similar magazine, Jihad, which was widely available around the Muslim world, was translated into many languages and was principally a fund-raising and recruiting tool designed to encourage young Muslim men to travel to Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan to support the Afghan jihad.

More recently, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula from its headquarters in Yemen has been publishing Inspire, another well-produced online magazine. Inspire, published for the past four years, clearly served as something of a model for Dabiq. Both are well laid out and feature graphics and photos prominently.

The Dabiq feature titled "In the Words of the Enemy," where a helpful quote from an official or analyst from the West is included, is a direct copy of an Inspire feature. Dabiq's most recent issue features a portion of U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel's testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee in which he discussed how much of a threat ISIS is to the United States.

But the two webzines share few similarities beyond that. Inspire was very much focused on recruiting lone-wolf jihadists and inspiring homegrown extremism in the West, but Dabiq includes only a few vague sentences about carrying out attacks in the West.

Where Inspire included instructions on bomb-making and building weapons to carry our attacks in the West, Dabiq focuses almost entirely on the actions of ISIS in Iraq and Syria and encourages followers to join the jihad there. In the third issue of Dabiq an ISIS writer asserts, "This life of jihad is not possible until you pack and move to the Khilafah," meaning to leave your home and travel to ISIS' areas of control in Iraq and Syria.

The purpose of the Dabiq webzine is quite different from Inspire: It is to encourage and perpetuate ISIS' successful insurgencies in Iraq and Syria, not to foster homegrown extremism or lone-wolf attacks in the West.
That's about the only good news that one can glean from Dabiq.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby pioneer » October 20th, 2014, 9:13 pm

16 cycles wrote:
I’M NO ISIS POINT MAN
Sunday Express on trail of recruiter for Syria fighters; Rio Claro Imam declares:
By By Asha Javeed asha.javeed@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Oct 18, 2014 at 9:47 PM ECT

Story Updated: Oct 18, 2014 at 9:47 PM ECT

Last week, the Sunday Express interviewed Joan Crawford, the mother of 29 year-old Shane “Asadullah” Crawford, who left Trinidad and Tobago last December to fight in the civil war in Syria on behalf of the Islamic State (ISIS).
This week, the newspaper starts pie­cing together how, why, where and when ISIS began recruiting Trinidadians from this tiny island 6,250 miles from Syria, and who is the point person here.
The trail took the Sunday Express to Rio Claro, Longdenville and Enterprise, Chaguana­s.

Part II

In 2009, Imam Nazim Mohammed came under the radar of the United States-based Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
Mohammed, the imam of the masjid in Boos Village, Rio Claro, said he was interviewed by the FBI prior to the Fifth Summit of the Americas, which took place in April 2009 in Port of Spain.
“They came here, right here in this masjid. They said their President (Barack Obama) was coming here and wanted to determine whether I was a threat. Very sophisticated men. Spoke Arabic,” he said.

In 2014, National Security believes Mohammed could be a possible local recruiter on behalf of terror group ISIS.
“I am hearing that I am a recruiter. But I am not sending anyone there. Perhaps they think I am a recruiter because I am outspoken, you see, but I am not recruiting anyone,” Mohammed said in an interview with the Sunday Express.


Mohammed said he was surprised when he heard 29-year-old Shane Crawford was fighting in Syria on behalf of ISIS.
Crawford, he said, felt oppressed, but Mohammed didn’t picture him at the forefront of war.
Mohammed said he had met Crawford several times because he used to pray at the mosque.
But he was more familiar with Crawford’s friend, Milton John Algernon, also known as Fareed Mustapha, 38, who had lived at Hibiscus Arch Road, Rio Claro, before he eventually moved to Campo Village, Cunupia.


Both Crawford and Algernon went to war-torn Syria in December 2013.


The Sunday Express met Mohammed two weeks ago before he delivered his weekly jum’ah on a Friday.

Mohammed was not inclined to speak to the newspaper, wary of how he, the Muslim community and the masjid would be portrayed in a story at a time of heightened national and global scrutiny on the religion.
But he conceded after jum’ah and sat down with the Sunday Express and several members of his masjid.


In 1990, Mohammed was a member of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen, which attempted to overthrow the Government on July 27 over a six-day period.
But he wouldn’t talk about that time to the Sunday Express, only a quick nod of affirmation of his involvement.


The Sunday Express sought information on whether the men were recruited to go to Syria from the Boos Village mosque, and whether any Trinidadian recruits had died fighting on behalf of ISIS.
He said if the names were provided he might be able to tell whether they had passed through the mosque, but insisted no members of his jamaat had gone to Syria to fight.
“Plenty people pass through the mosque over a period of time,” he said.

Asked why he thought Crawford and Algernon would leave Trinidad to fight a war, he explained some Muslims wanted to help their brothers and were joining the cause.

He said information about ISIS was only being transmitted by the Western media and he was hesitant to comment because Islam does not teach about killing brothers or oppressing women.
Islam, he said, does not allow for the beheading of innocent men.
“But you don’t know if these journalists were spies, whether they were actually killed or whether that is just propaganda,” he said.

Algernon’s journey to Syria

At one time, Algernon was the muadhin (the person who did the call to prayer) of the Boos masjid where he’d received his Islamic edu­cation.
Algernon, the Sunday Express was told, lived in Rio Claro for a period and had tried to pioneer the use of rabbit meat as an alternative to chicken.
He was sometimes referred as “Rabbit”.
He went from an agriculture novice, having left his job at AS Bryden, to become a director of the Trinidad and Tobago Agricultural Society and the vice-president of the Goat and Sheep Society.
“He learnt very quickly,” a friend, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Express.
But Algernon was not good at relationships, observed the friend, recalling several instances where he had difficulty with employers and in his personal life.
He fell out with Mohammed and left the masjid.
He had several wives, but ended his relationship with his first wife after she abandoned Islam.
He also had some difficulty with the Goat and Sheep Society, which put a strain on his ability to communicate, his friend said.
He was a loner for a while, not based in any masjid, recalled the friend.

After that, he would often talk about jihad.
“He had issues with authority, especially when it stepped on his own values.
“When we fail to recognise the issues and deal with it properly, we create a monster, especially when they are reaching out,” the friend said.
In 2010, Algernon and Crawford appeared before the Arima court on charges of being in possession of a Glock 9mm pistol, 110 live rounds of assorted ammunition and four firearm magazines.
Crawford’s wife, Jamilla Onika Luqman, 22, of Bournes Road, St James, and Wallerfield, was also charged.


Mohammed told the Sunday Express he was unaware Algernon had been charged.
In October 2011, he and 15 others were detained during the state of emergency for being part of a plot to kill Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and three Cabinet ministers and to cause panic in the country.

Crawford’s connections

Was the forced detention during the state of emergency the cata­lyst for the men going to war?
The Sunday Express has been able to verify three of the 16 men detained during the state of emergency are now in Syria, while two are in jail in Venezuela.
Apart from Crawford and Algernon, Ashmeed Mohammed, from La Romaine, also went to Syria in 2013.
And two of the five Trinidadian men still in jail in Venezuela since March—Dominic Pitilal, also known as “Jamal”, and Chionesu “Asim” Luqman, who are related to Crawford through his wife, Jamilla—were Syria-bound.
Imam Hamza Mohammed, of the Montrose mosque, who was also detained and released from Venezuela, said he met the men there.

H. Mohammed explained his group, which included Imam Hassam Hamid from Las Lomas and Abdul Salaam from Marabella, had travelled to Venezuela to get visas to go to Saudi Arabia for “Umrah”, a sacred pilgrimage to Mecca which can be undertaken at any time of the year.
In May, CCN TV6 multimedia journalist Mark Bassant had interviewed Luqman and Pitilal from their jail cell and questioned them about whether they intended going to Syria to fight in the war.
Luqman’s reply was: “I don’t know anything about that. I had no intention of going Syria. Why would I want to go there and take my family there and go into a worse situation?
“I came to Venezuela to try and get the visas for Umrah because last year I had applied but there were some problems with the licensed Haji dealers, and I brought my family across with me because we need a break from Trinidad.”

Pitilal stated, “That’s really funny. I just want them to produce the evidence of all these things.”
The men also denied knowing any Trinidadian who is believed to be in Syria at this time.
H. Mohammed said he knew Crawford because he had visited and prayed at his Montrose mosque several times after the state of emergency.

At the Masjid Al Khaleefah in Longdenville on Friday, Imam Lennox Agard (formerly reggae artiste Edoo Rankin from the Kiskadee Caravan), commonly called Edoo by his members, said Crawford had also prayed at his mosque.
Agard, who was on his way out of the masjid after Friday’s jum’ah when the Sunday Express caught up with him, was also hesitant to talk, suggesting the media always twists things and that he experienced that as an artiste.

“What have you come to find out? Am I the recruiter? Am I recruiting men for ISIS? Am I transporting and sending them to Syria?
“I was already interviewed by two officials from the Ministry of National Security this week. And what you’ll write in the papers, that Imam Edoo declined to speak and find some way to twist it,” he said.
When the Sunday Express asked which arm of the Ministry of National Security, he replied, “The ministry.”

Finding the recruiter

So who exactly is recruiting the men to Syria?
“There is no great mastermind behind this,” said Selywn “Robocop” Alexis in his office behind his grocery in Enterprise, Chaguanas, last Tuesday.

Alexis said he saw Crawford recently in his grocery and even had a visit from his wife last week.
He was surprised when he surfaced in a video on Facebook, he said. Crawford has two wives, one of whom travelled with him to Syria.
Alexis explained that some Muslims were following a hadith, which talks about the rise of someone in the Middle East.

“When a man rules over ash-Sham, and another over Egypt, and the Shami and Egyptian fight each other, and the people of ash-Sham take some of the tribes of Egypt captive, and a man comes forward from the east with small black banners towards the ruler of ash-Sham, then it is he who will hand over the rule to the Mahdi,” was the hadith he quoted, which explained why some men are joining the Syrian war.

Alexis believes people are just picking up and going to Syria.
“Crawford felt oppressed,” he said.
Would Alexis go to Syria to fight?
“Not me,” he said outright.
“You think those boys going Syria straight to fight? They have to be trained. They starting at the very bottom. They have to have about six months’ training at least. They not meeting anybody big. They are at the very bottom,” he said.


Alexis is still angry with the Government for being detained during the state of emergency.
“I voted them into power and I will vote them right back out,” he said.
He said he first met Crawford and “Rabbit” (Algernon) in prison in 2010 and the next time he met them was when they were detained for the state of emergency.

“Look at Ashmead Choate. He refused two of my children in his school about 20 years ago because of perception. And we ended up in jail together. I told him, ‘Look at us now.’ How could people who never talk to each other plot?” he shook his head.


The Sunday Express found Choate at his school on Friday to see if he could help shed light on the recruitment of local soldiers and how they were making their way to Syria.
But he said he’d had an unpleasant experience with this newspaper during the state of emergency and did not want to comment.
“Choate is a coward. He speaks well and he is bright in Islam, but he is a coward,” said Alexis.


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Postby TriP » October 23rd, 2014, 6:53 am

Rainman wrote:http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Another-Trini-discovered-fighting-in-Syria-for-ISIS-280140192.html


"The man, according to well-placed sources, has been identified as Ashmead Mohammed, who had sworn his innocence during the 2011 state of emergency when he was detained over an alleged plot to assassinate the Prime Minister and other Government ministers. He was never charged"


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Postby zoom rader » October 23rd, 2014, 7:21 am

^^^ PNM ppl will say that plot was fake.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby megadoc1 » October 27th, 2014, 7:58 am

Muslim scholar: ISIS must be stopped
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Muslim-scholar-ISIS-must-be-stopped--280479252.html
MUSLIM Scholar, Maulana Ibrahim Bin Yaqub yesterday slammed the Islamic State (ISIS) as a terrorist organisation that needs to be stamped out as he addressed members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Trinidad and Tobago faction.
The scholar spoke on issues such as ISIS and the deadly virus, Ebola which he ranked as almost the same since both the organisation and disease threatened humanity.
He described them both as catastrophes.
“ISIS is a terror organisation and it needs to be stamped out,” he said.
He recalled one of the stories contained in the Qur’an which was about a Jewish woman who almost killed one of Islam’s prophets, “and he forgave the woman”.
“A true Muslim is one from whose tongue and hand that others feel safe and sound because all these are examples for us as Muslims to behave in a humane way and it is rather unfortunate that Muslims of today have forgotten these teachings,” said Bin Yaqub.
He continued, “do not contrive to harm followers of other religions and keep your hearts free of deceit and hands free of transgressions. Be kind and merciful to all mankind.”
The event known as the, “Jalsa Salana,” annual convention took place at the Ahmadiyya Centre at Polo Ground Road, Preysal in Couva and the theme of the convention was “Endure pain to bring solace to Humanity.”
On one of the walls facing the entrance to the building’s main hall is an inscription, “Love for all, hatred for none.”
It was a theme immediately addressed by scholar Bin Yaqub who dismissed those followers of Islam who practised the faith for almost everyone to see but did not embrace the true teachings of the religion.
“There is a clear definition for a true Muslim and it is that he does not wear the gown, or the hat and prays,” said the scholar.
He continued, “he is not Muslim if he inflicts pain on others and for the true Muslim woman, she does not take delight in hurting others in the name of Islam. A true Muslim does not segregate,” said Bin Yaqub.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby AdamB » October 27th, 2014, 9:45 am

megadoc1 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ that article was either badly written or what the lecturer wrote was badly written.

I don't think the plan is for anyone going there to fight to come back, but it may be the plan of the ISIS leaders to send people to countries to carry out attacks mostly in USA, UK, Australia and France.

What I don't get though is that many people are saying ISIS does not represent Islam and what ISIS are doing is not Islam, yet there is no mass public outrage and protests against ISIS the way there was for drawings of the prophet or even the Israel attacks on Gaza. I'd think this ISIS situation would be far worse since ISIS are claimed to be grossly misrepresenting Islam and using the sacred name of Islam to carry out these terrible acts. ISIS refer to themselves as the Islamic State. The ISIS flag carries part of the shahada (an Islamic creed declaring belief in the oneness of God and the acceptance of Muhammad as God's prophet) and it also carried the seal of the prophet which they fly prominently as they go around carrying out acts that most muslims are claiming are not Islamic. Why no mass public outrage? No social media outrage?

Very good observation Duane. I really believed that the Muslim community will only rise up
When they begin to suffer because of isis ,until then they would silently cheer along
BTW where is adamb ?

These things are not from Islam....

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby AdamB » October 27th, 2014, 9:50 am

megadoc1 wrote:Muslim scholar: ISIS must be stopped
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Muslim-scholar-ISIS-must-be-stopped--280479252.html
MUSLIM Scholar, Maulana Ibrahim Bin Yaqub yesterday slammed the Islamic State (ISIS) as a terrorist organisation that needs to be stamped out as he addressed members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Trinidad and Tobago faction.
The scholar spoke on issues such as ISIS and the deadly virus, Ebola which he ranked as almost the same since both the organisation and disease threatened humanity.
He described them both as catastrophes.
“ISIS is a terror organisation and it needs to be stamped out,” he said.
He recalled one of the stories contained in the Qur’an which was about a Jewish woman who almost killed one of Islam’s prophets, “and he forgave the woman”.
“A true Muslim is one from whose tongue and hand that others feel safe and sound because all these are examples for us as Muslims to behave in a humane way and it is rather unfortunate that Muslims of today have forgotten these teachings,” said Bin Yaqub.
He continued, “do not contrive to harm followers of other religions and keep your hearts free of deceit and hands free of transgressions. Be kind and merciful to all mankind.”
The event known as the, “Jalsa Salana,” annual convention took place at the Ahmadiyya Centre at Polo Ground Road, Preysal in Couva and the theme of the convention was “Endure pain to bring solace to Humanity.”
On one of the walls facing the entrance to the building’s main hall is an inscription, “Love for all, hatred for none.”
It was a theme immediately addressed by scholar Bin Yaqub who dismissed those followers of Islam who practised the faith for almost everyone to see but did not embrace the true teachings of the religion.
“There is a clear definition for a true Muslim and it is that he does not wear the gown, or the hat and prays,” said the scholar.
He continued, “he is not Muslim if he inflicts pain on others and for the true Muslim woman, she does not take delight in hurting others in the name of Islam. A true Muslim does not segregate,” said Bin Yaqub.

Ibrahim and his group are NOT MUSLIM. They are Ahmadiyya, a religion which was invented by an imposter / false prophet / false Messiah (Jesus) / false God (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) and they choose to follow that religion and that liar...he claimed to be all of those - prophet, Jesus and God.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby DFC » October 27th, 2014, 9:51 am

Adamb how things in syria?

You planning to come back?

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby AdamB » October 27th, 2014, 9:56 am

DFC wrote:Adamb how things in syria?

You planning to come back?

Divali season done, yuh cud plan to increase revenue for KFC now...

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Postby DFC » October 27th, 2014, 10:08 am

AdamB wrote:
DFC wrote:Adamb how things in syria?

You planning to come back?

Divali season done, yuh cud plan to increase revenue for KFC now...


Lol, i stop eating it long time.

U have KFC in Syria or iraq?

What you does eat there, fry camel?

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby UML » October 27th, 2014, 11:44 am

so the BIG QUESTION is do you now believe the PP government for having the SOE...or you still believe PNM propaganda of oppression to black ppl?!!!

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby bluesclues » October 27th, 2014, 1:01 pm

AdamB wrote:
megadoc1 wrote:Muslim scholar: ISIS must be stopped
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Muslim-scholar-ISIS-must-be-stopped--280479252.html
MUSLIM Scholar, Maulana Ibrahim Bin Yaqub yesterday slammed the Islamic State (ISIS) as a terrorist organisation that needs to be stamped out as he addressed members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Trinidad and Tobago faction.
The scholar spoke on issues such as ISIS and the deadly virus, Ebola which he ranked as almost the same since both the organisation and disease threatened humanity.
He described them both as catastrophes.
“ISIS is a terror organisation and it needs to be stamped out,” he said.
He recalled one of the stories contained in the Qur’an which was about a Jewish woman who almost killed one of Islam’s prophets, “and he forgave the woman”.
“A true Muslim is one from whose tongue and hand that others feel safe and sound because all these are examples for us as Muslims to behave in a humane way and it is rather unfortunate that Muslims of today have forgotten these teachings,” said Bin Yaqub.
He continued, “do not contrive to harm followers of other religions and keep your hearts free of deceit and hands free of transgressions. Be kind and merciful to all mankind.”
The event known as the, “Jalsa Salana,” annual convention took place at the Ahmadiyya Centre at Polo Ground Road, Preysal in Couva and the theme of the convention was “Endure pain to bring solace to Humanity.”
On one of the walls facing the entrance to the building’s main hall is an inscription, “Love for all, hatred for none.”
It was a theme immediately addressed by scholar Bin Yaqub who dismissed those followers of Islam who practised the faith for almost everyone to see but did not embrace the true teachings of the religion.
“There is a clear definition for a true Muslim and it is that he does not wear the gown, or the hat and prays,” said the scholar.
He continued, “he is not Muslim if he inflicts pain on others and for the true Muslim woman, she does not take delight in hurting others in the name of Islam. A true Muslim does not segregate,” said Bin Yaqub.

Ibrahim and his group are NOT MUSLIM. They are Ahmadiyya, a religion which was invented by an imposter / false prophet / false Messiah (Jesus) / false God (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) and they choose to follow that religion and that liar...he claimed to be all of those - prophet, Jesus and God.


u is a ass yes. how Jesus could be a false messiah and in surah 4 Allah himself speaking and says "jesus is my messenger".

ib4muhammad take you to sheol

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby megadoc1 » October 27th, 2014, 7:47 pm

AdamB wrote:
megadoc1 wrote:Muslim scholar: ISIS must be stopped
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Muslim-scholar-ISIS-must-be-stopped--280479252.html
MUSLIM Scholar, Maulana Ibrahim Bin Yaqub yesterday slammed the Islamic State (ISIS) as a terrorist organisation that needs to be stamped out as he addressed members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Trinidad and Tobago faction.
The scholar spoke on issues such as ISIS and the deadly virus, Ebola which he ranked as almost the same since both the organisation and disease threatened humanity.
He described them both as catastrophes.
“ISIS is a terror organisation and it needs to be stamped out,” he said.
He recalled one of the stories contained in the Qur’an which was about a Jewish woman who almost killed one of Islam’s prophets, “and he forgave the woman”.
“A true Muslim is one from whose tongue and hand that others feel safe and sound because all these are examples for us as Muslims to behave in a humane way and it is rather unfortunate that Muslims of today have forgotten these teachings,” said Bin Yaqub.
He continued, “do not contrive to harm followers of other religions and keep your hearts free of deceit and hands free of transgressions. Be kind and merciful to all mankind.”
The event known as the, “Jalsa Salana,” annual convention took place at the Ahmadiyya Centre at Polo Ground Road, Preysal in Couva and the theme of the convention was “Endure pain to bring solace to Humanity.”
On one of the walls facing the entrance to the building’s main hall is an inscription, “Love for all, hatred for none.”
It was a theme immediately addressed by scholar Bin Yaqub who dismissed those followers of Islam who practised the faith for almost everyone to see but did not embrace the true teachings of the religion.
“There is a clear definition for a true Muslim and it is that he does not wear the gown, or the hat and prays,” said the scholar.
He continued, “he is not Muslim if he inflicts pain on others and for the true Muslim woman, she does not take delight in hurting others in the name of Islam. A true Muslim does not segregate,” said Bin Yaqub.

Ibrahim and his group are NOT MUSLIM. They are Ahmadiyya, a religion which was invented by an imposter / false prophet / false Messiah (Jesus) / false God (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) and they choose to follow that religion and that liar...he claimed to be all of those - prophet, Jesus and God.

just when I thought Muslims were beginning to take a stand against Isis :?

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 27th, 2014, 8:44 pm

megadoc1 wrote:just when I thought Muslims were beginning to take a stand against Isis :?
Sunni Muslims (the majority of Muslims in T&T) do not believe that other Islamic sects such as Shia, Ahmadiyyah, Suffi etc are real Muslims because they do not follow the teachings of Allah and the Prophet Muhammad properly.
Similar to the way you do not believe that Catholics are true Christians, as you stated in the religion thread.

ISIS is a Sunni group, but there are many Sunni's who say they do not support ISIS, though it seems to be words and not actions.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby pioneer » October 27th, 2014, 9:22 pm

Yupp shia muslims are seen worse than swine.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby 16 cycles » October 28th, 2014, 6:58 am

Man fears for family after bogus ISIS story

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Tuesday, October 28, 2014

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A local man who was said to be fighting with the militant group Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Isis) in Syria, is now back home and fearful that his family is in danger. Ashmead Mohammed last night told CNC3 news he has no connections with Isis and has never even been to Syria, noting his passport will provide evidence of his travels. He said he had been on a visit to Canada and Morocco when the newspaper report erroneously fingered him as a foreign Isis fighter with Trini links. Mohammed said he was shocked when he saw the article, headlined “Another Trini discovered fighting in Syria for Isis, noting it was “full of lies”.

He said contrary to the article, which claimed he left for Syria earlier this year, he travelled for the first time this year last month. He said he and his family left for Canada in September, spent two weeks there with his sick mother, then went to visit his in-laws in Morocco. He said it was on his way back from the African continent that he got news of the article. Mohammed said as a result of the article he and his family were stopped by immigration officials at the Piarco International Airport when they returned home on Sunday. After he, his wife and children were interrogated they were finally allowed to leave.

Saying the media house should have verified the information because of the sensitivity of the issue, Mohammed said he wants an explanation and is weighing his legal options. The report came as local media also reported on several Trinis with Isis links who had appeared in videos on social media and even in a CNN report. One of the videos featured a man identified as Abu Abdurahman al-Trinidadi, in an apparent reference to his Trini heritage, who urged other Muslims to join the fight. Al-Trinidadi was standing next to another man also believed to be Trinidadian and both men were fully armed while carrying children on their shoulders.

Another of the videos featured Shane Crawford bathing in the Euphrates River with other Isis fighters. Crawford, 28, of Enterprise, Chaguanas, was one of the 16 men held during the state of emergency in 2011 in an alleged plot to assassinate the Prime Minister and other Government ministers. However, they were all subsequently released without charges. Crawford’s mother, Joan, subsequently confirmed that he sold all his possessions and left here last year to join ISIS.


http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2014-10- ... isis-story

Express ran with the original story

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Ano ... 40192.html

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ANOTHER Trinidadian has been unmasked fighting in Syria for the militant movement Islamic State (ISIS).
The man, according to well-placed sources, has been identified as Ashmead Mohammed, who had sworn his innocence during the 2011 state of emergency when he was detained over an alleged plot to assassinate the Prime Minister and other Government ministers. He was never charged.

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Postby Team Loco » October 28th, 2014, 7:50 am

Ashmead is a very good friend of mine. His wife is moroccan so he goes their often. If u meet him u swear he is a tuner. Really funny and young at heart. I knew that story was bogus. If its one thing he aint no fanatic

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Postby AdamB » October 28th, 2014, 8:12 am

bluesclues wrote:
AdamB wrote:
megadoc1 wrote:Muslim scholar: ISIS must be stopped
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Muslim-scholar-ISIS-must-be-stopped--280479252.html
MUSLIM Scholar, Maulana Ibrahim Bin Yaqub yesterday slammed the Islamic State (ISIS) as a terrorist organisation that needs to be stamped out as he addressed members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Trinidad and Tobago faction.
The scholar spoke on issues such as ISIS and the deadly virus, Ebola which he ranked as almost the same since both the organisation and disease threatened humanity.
He described them both as catastrophes.
“ISIS is a terror organisation and it needs to be stamped out,” he said.
He recalled one of the stories contained in the Qur’an which was about a Jewish woman who almost killed one of Islam’s prophets, “and he forgave the woman”.
“A true Muslim is one from whose tongue and hand that others feel safe and sound because all these are examples for us as Muslims to behave in a humane way and it is rather unfortunate that Muslims of today have forgotten these teachings,” said Bin Yaqub.
He continued, “do not contrive to harm followers of other religions and keep your hearts free of deceit and hands free of transgressions. Be kind and merciful to all mankind.”
The event known as the, “Jalsa Salana,” annual convention took place at the Ahmadiyya Centre at Polo Ground Road, Preysal in Couva and the theme of the convention was “Endure pain to bring solace to Humanity.”
On one of the walls facing the entrance to the building’s main hall is an inscription, “Love for all, hatred for none.”
It was a theme immediately addressed by scholar Bin Yaqub who dismissed those followers of Islam who practised the faith for almost everyone to see but did not embrace the true teachings of the religion.
“There is a clear definition for a true Muslim and it is that he does not wear the gown, or the hat and prays,” said the scholar.
He continued, “he is not Muslim if he inflicts pain on others and for the true Muslim woman, she does not take delight in hurting others in the name of Islam. A true Muslim does not segregate,” said Bin Yaqub.

Ibrahim and his group are NOT MUSLIM. They are Ahmadiyya, a religion which was invented by an imposter / false prophet / false Messiah (Jesus) / false God (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) and they choose to follow that religion and that liar...he claimed to be all of those - prophet, Jesus and God.


u is a ass yes. how Jesus could be a false messiah and in surah 4 Allah himself speaking and says "jesus is my messenger".

ib4muhammad take you to sheol

keep your panties on, if you don't know...ask.

I meant to imply that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be the reincarnation of the Messiah Jesus (on him be peace, Jesus that is).

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 28th, 2014, 9:31 am

Team Loco wrote:Ashmead is a very good friend of mine. His wife is moroccan so he goes their often. If u meet him u swear he is a tuner. Really funny and young at heart. I knew that story was bogus. If its one thing he aint no fanatic
he dyes his beard black?

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Postby kjaglal76v2 » October 28th, 2014, 10:13 am

can he sue?

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby ModMania » October 28th, 2014, 10:16 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Team Loco wrote:Ashmead is a very good friend of mine. His wife is moroccan so he goes their often. If u meet him u swear he is a tuner. Really funny and young at heart. I knew that story was bogus. If its one thing he aint no fanatic
he dyes his beard black?


Same thing run thru my mind

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby j.o.e » October 28th, 2014, 10:21 am

fire up the facial recognition software... edges of beard showing the greys..jussayin

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby AdamB » October 28th, 2014, 10:26 am

"A close friend of Mohammed contacted CCN about two weeks ago and said they were certain the person in this photograph was him."

With back-stabbing friends like that, what kinda enemies dis man have?

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby UML » October 28th, 2014, 10:29 am

Really coincidental that while he was away he ended up from the US to the East. Really coincidental I find! If he takes a boat from Morocco to Syria will his passport be stamped? :idea: :?: :|

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby AdamB » October 28th, 2014, 10:31 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Team Loco wrote:Ashmead is a very good friend of mine. His wife is moroccan so he goes their often. If u meet him u swear he is a tuner. Really funny and young at heart. I knew that story was bogus. If its one thing he aint no fanatic
he dyes his beard black?

it looks reddish-brown (from henna) which is the colour muslim men supposed to use. Black is to be avoided.

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Re: ISIS in T&T?

Postby AdamB » October 28th, 2014, 10:51 am

UML wrote:Really coincidental that while he was away he ended up from the US to the East. Really coincidental I find! If he takes a boat from Morocco to Syria will his passport be stamped? :idea: :?: :|

sounds real easy eh - like going down d islands!

Morocco is on the north west of the continent of Africa. 4000km from Syria, 5hrs by plane...like from Trinidad to New York (3500km). When last yuh take a boat there?

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