Raise age to get DP or parents to be blamed despite age??

[iamblessed]

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[iamblessed]

The dad of the twins involved in the fatal road accident wants the age for some one to acquire their DP be raised but I say what's the sense people over the age of 25 drive like a holes etc etc and I believe that it doesn't matter if you reach 18 or 19....stay out the club etc...some parents let their kids loose too early.....

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[wagonrunner]

why not blame the BUGWAAANAAA behind the wheel?

the parents can only be blamed for trusting the BUGWAAANAAA with the responsibility of proper road usage. but the BUGWAAANAAA could fool, lie, or just break those terms anyway.

so where does the blame really lie?

[zoom rader]

The problem is not the age. The main problem is the underhand dealings of getting a permit.
Simple cure is for Insurance companies not to insure young drivers. Also making sure that they dont drive their parents car.

[iamblessed]

why not blame the BUGWAAANAAA behind the wheel?

the parents can only be blamed for trusting the BUGWAAANAAA with the responsibility of proper road usage. but the BUGWAAANAAA could fool, lie, or just break those terms anyway.

so where does the blame really lie?

hmmmmm I blame parents and the system...you know how much bribe does take place in this licensing system...you doh have to know how to drive na...once you or your parents have the money...your DP in your hand and your car already park up in a car park....
And seriously I really do think parents let their child loose too early...not because you did good in school that allows you the chance to be out late clubbing....

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[j.o.e]

The problem is not the age. The main problem is the underhand dealings of getting a permit.
Simple cure is for Insurance companies not to insure young drivers. Also making sure that they dont drive their parents car.

you read what you type there? it makes no sense.

[nicholas7129]

Yea I say they should stop this ting where you could pay for your license


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[rspann]

Why the youths who don't drink,go to parties till 4 in the morning,drink and drive, must pay the price for those who do?My first son has been driving since seventeen(going to school)using any of my vehicles and I have never had complaints about him.The second is eighteen driving for a year and he is responsible.If you don't teach your children responsibility,and allow them to do what they want what do you expect?Nightclubs and alcohol is not for children who are studying,if you allow yours to do it I have no problem with that.There is and old saying,when you sow the wind,you reap the whirlwind!

[nicholas7129]

When I was younger it took me a year and a half before I cud drive without supervision


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[teems1]

Blame lies with the driver.

Why punish the rest of the population because 1 idiot can't control his right foot.

[iamblessed]

Why the youths who don't drink,go to parties till 4 in the morning,drink and drive, must pay the price for those who do?My first son has been driving since seventeen(going to school)using any of my vehicles and I have never had complaints about him.The second is eighteen driving for a year and he is responsible.If you don't teach your children responsibility,and allow them to do what they want what do you expect?Nightclubs and alcohol is not for children who are studying,if you allow yours to do it I have no problem with that.There is and old saying,when you sow the wind,you reap the whirlwind!

allyuh tuner men could rule this country boy...sad to say no one(bosses them) wants to hear/or would listen....smh
Could not put it better....well said....hold a bounce...dey

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[zoom rader]

The problem is not the age. The main problem is the underhand dealings of getting a permit.
Simple cure is for Insurance companies not to insure young drivers. Also making sure that they dont drive their parents car.

you read what you type there? it makes no sense.

Every one knows that you can pass change for ur permit, that is a problem. A permit should be earned
No insurance for young drivers = Less asswipes on the road. Why u think ur premium always going up?
Insurance should be invalid if found out that under 25s was driving that car.

[iamblessed]

The problem is not the age. The main problem is the underhand dealings of getting a permit.
Simple cure is for Insurance companies not to insure young drivers. Also making sure that they dont drive their parents car.

you read what you type there? it makes no sense.

Every one knows that you can pass change for ur permit, that is a problem. A permit should be earned
No insurance for young drivers = Less asswipes on the road. Why u think ur premium always going up?
Insurance should be invalid if found out that under 25s was driving that car.

hmmmmm

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[maj. tom]

Enforce the laws properly with the necessary equipment and personnel and better targeted insurance policies. End corruption at the licence office and institute the Graduated Driver Licensing programme like Ontario. Since the Trinidad government is always eager to get Canadian consultants anyway.

Why this man want to punish other people just because of one stupid person?
Sorry for his loss and the anger and sorrow he is feeling right now but age doesn't make reckless behaviour stop in people who were never taught the right thing in the first place. Tolerance, appreciation of life and respect for other people does that. The majority those maxi/taxi drivers in the Idiot Drivers Thread are over 25 years right?

[j.o.e]

The problem is not the age. The main problem is the underhand dealings of getting a permit.
Simple cure is for Insurance companies not to insure young drivers. Also making sure that they dont drive their parents car.

you read what you type there? it makes no sense.

Every one knows that you can pass change for ur permit, that is a problem. A permit should be earned
No insurance for young drivers = Less asswipes on the road. Why u think ur premium always going up?
Insurance should be invalid if found out that under 25s was driving that car.

geez zoom rader think
....you saying the age is not a problem so why give licenses to people who can't be insured? Its either you agree with raising the age for licenses or not.

[zoom rader]

^^^ thats the problem giving them a permit by passing a lil change. Rising the age will still cause them to pass change for that permit.

[Hook]

Every time something happens there is outrage and emotions, and then knee-jerk reactions abound. This is no different. I haven't heard anyone in authority comment on alcohol consumption and teen clubbing but fingers seem to be pointing everywhere else.
Now, all of a sudden, the responsibility of some drivers are being questioned, simply because their car accelerates faster than others? What nonsense is that? I never killed anyone. You? Okay.

Two major things stand out for me as serious issues here:
Why aren't there TTPS officers outside the clubs, willing to catch drunk drivers BEFORE they crash?
Why were teenagers allowed into the club in the first place?

I'm in full support of implementing laws to prevent establishments from selling alcohol after a certain hour AND a drinking age restriction of 21 years, but the bottom line is always enforcement, enforcement and enforcement.
Also, enforcement plays a huge role here. Throw in a side of enforcement with those fries. While you're at it, supersize the enforcement.

Did I mention enforcement?

All the ad campaigns in the world won't appeal to a driver who's convinced that he/she's the greatest thing on four wheels and that accidents happen to OTHER people, not them, so wave the big stick of THE LAW at them and get them in line.

It's THAT simple.

[uncle sam]

maturity does not always come with age

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[Hook]

But there's no way to quantify maturity, especially from a legal standpoint.
There is, however, a BAC limit.

[wagonrunner]

personal responsibility is not encouraged, nor held accountable.

[eliteauto]

personal responsibility is not encouraged, nor held accountable.

THIS!!!!! from top to bottom

[uncle sam]

But there's no way to quantify maturity, especially from a legal standpoint.
There is, however, a BAC limit.

Alco is one thing .. we have tiredness, speeding, etc.

[redmanjp]

The problem is not the age. The main problem is the underhand dealings of getting a permit.
Simple cure is for Insurance companies not to insure young drivers. Also making sure that they dont drive their parents car.

you read what you type there? it makes no sense.

Every one knows that you can pass change for ur permit, that is a problem. A permit should be earned
No insurance for young drivers = Less asswipes on the road. Why u think ur premium always going up?
Insurance should be invalid if found out that under 25s was driving that car.

my mom's insurance already bans under 25s - I think you have to be named or pay extra to cover under 25 drivers

[hydroep]

Some insurance companies will only insure drivers under 25 if they do a defensive driving course.

[toyolink]

Every time something happens there is outrage and emotions, and then knee-jerk reactions abound. This is no different. I haven't heard anyone in authority comment on alcohol consumption and teen clubbing but fingers seem to be pointing everywhere else.
Now, all of a sudden, the responsibility of some drivers are being questioned, simply because their car accelerates faster than others? What nonsense is that? I never killed anyone. You? Okay.

Two major things stand out for me as serious issues here:
Why aren't there TTPS officers outside the clubs, willing to catch drunk drivers BEFORE they crash?
Why were teenagers allowed into the club in the first place?

I'm in full support of implementing laws to prevent establishments from selling alcohol after a certain hour AND a drinking age restriction of 21 years, but the bottom line is always enforcement, enforcement and enforcement.
Also, enforcement plays a huge role here. Throw in a side of enforcement with those fries. While you're at it, supersize the enforcement.

Did I mention enforcement?

All the ad campaigns in the world won't appeal to a driver who's convinced that he/she's the greatest thing on four wheels and that accidents happen to OTHER people, not them, so wave the big stick of THE LAW at them and get them in line.

It's THAT simple.

I fully endorse the views expressed and wish to add that,in the more developed world police patrols on the roadways at nite is considered essential (enforcement) and they don't sometimes even drive with their hood lights on (until you in trouble).
Many cities have a cut off time for sale of alcohol and failure to comply is treated as serious stuff.
Almost always I would drive from Port-Of-Spain to Couva and not one cop car do I see on the road.

[Mr. Red Sleeper]

all this sheit wouldnt be happening iif so many cars were allowed on the roads.

We did it
our parents did it
we never had this enormous quantity of road carnage in the past.

I always said that they have to hold club/bar owners responsible for quantities consumed by patrons.
They will see drunk people buying more and will allow them to continue.

[j.o.e]

The problem with our roads is not so much teen or young drivers but indisciplined drivers of all ages and a lack of enforcement. I am not saying the process of getting a license can't be improved or that young drivers shouldn't have stipulations for supervision etc.
But we would be hypocrites to suggest that young drivers are the major problem..its drivers and lack of enforcement on a whole.

[RIPEBREDFRUIT]

When I was younger it took me a year and a half before I cud drive without supervision


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Thats really what they should consider, making it mandatory that all new permit holders have an Adult with over 5years drivign experience in the car with them for the first YEAR that they have their permits,.
And any new holders caught flaunting this rule would face Immediate Disqualification of their permits until the age of 25.

[Mr. Red Sleeper]

When I was younger it took me a year and a half before I cud drive without supervision


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Thats really what they should consider, making it mandatory that all new permit holders have an Adult with over 5years drivign experience in the car with them for the first YEAR that they have their permits,.
And any new holders caught flaunting this rule would face Immediate Disqualification of their permits until the age of 25.

These so called ADULTS that use our nations roadways are in many cases just as bad or worse than new drivers.
I dont think thats a valid point.

Strange enough, new drivers tend to be more cautions on the roads IMO...Its those that feel they have 2yrs exp and believe they have Andretti heritage, is the ones to worry about.- as far as that argument goes...

[wagonrunner]

Is 25 an efffin magic number?
at 25, you suddenly have driving awareness?

So a 25yo on the road the 2nd day with a permit is suddenly a better driver than a 22yo drving everyday for the last 4 years?

Please educate me on that.