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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby netsket » December 13th, 2012, 1:37 pm

nemisis wrote:The Jamaica Observer newspaper has accused the Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar-led government of “ethnic stocking” and says this country is deluding itself about racial harmony. In an editorial yesterday, titled “The more important issue is abuse of substance,” the paper charged this country’s government not only with the ethnic stocking of public offices to consolidate its grip on political power, but also of the perception of widespread corruption.



“The real problem in the energy-rich republic is not substance abuse, but the abuse of substance. By that we mean the abuse of the substance of government business because of the ethnic stocking of public offices and the widespread perception of corruption.



“This year, on Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index, T&T was ranked 80 out of 176 countries, down from 71 in 2011. In fact, Trinidad and Tobago scored 39 on a scale of 100, on par with Jamaica and behind the rest of the Caribbean islands.



“One of the egregious aspects of corruption is what is known as ‘ethnic stocking’—the appointment to public office, including overseas posts, on the basis of ethnicity to ensure ethnic monopoly of political power. “Notwithstanding Minister Jack Warner, the current Government of T&T has systematically practised ethnic stocking; rewarding individuals with positions even though they are not qualified, either by professional training or by pertinent transferable work experience.



“The instances of local appointments are too numerous to discuss, but the embarrassment associated with overseas appointees poses reputational damage. Ms Therese Baptiste-Cornelis was fired as ambassador to the United Nations, Geneva, after some inappropriate remarks. There was even a case of a diplomat assigned to the T&T High Commission in London being charged with conspiracy to traffic cocaine.



“Many people in T&T do not want to tackle ethnic stocking because persons who raise the issue are accused of being racist in a society guilty of self-delusion about racial harmony. “There needs to be a parliamentary review of appointees to local and overseas posts to ensure that they possess the necessary qualifications and years of pertinent experience, and to establish a transparent selection process free of ethnic bias.”



When the T&T Guardian contacted the Observer by telephone yesterday, the Jamaican newspaper’s executive editor of publication Vernon Davidson said he could not comment fully on the opinion, as he did not write it.
Davidson refused to divulge the identity of the editorial writer. Up to press time, Jamaican High Commissioner to T&T Sharon Saunders was out of office when the T&T Guardian called her for a comment.


This article wreaks of racialism and division. We dont get involved in their business, we barely know who their PM is. This must have PNM involvement wrt to details. Why wasnt it an issue when PNM was in power. The editor passing the buck and avoiding blame which is squarely his because he has to approve every article before being printed. Cockroach have no business in fowl party.

>>>>>MOST IMPORTANT JAMAICA IS RANKED 83 on Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index, T&T was ranked 80

I think dey eh get over the "trinidad is NOT an ATM" issue yet.
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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby rfari » December 13th, 2012, 1:38 pm

zoom rader wrote:^^^ Doctors killing people statement is useless, are there any reports on this? Were these doctors named?

that like saying

"gang members killing gang members statement is useless, are there any reports on this? Were these gang members named?"

dont think because no names were given or because nothing came out of the reports means that it never happened.

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby zoom rader » December 13th, 2012, 1:43 pm

rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:^^^ Doctors killing people statement is useless, are there any reports on this? Were these doctors named?

that like saying

"gang members killing gang members statement is useless, are there any reports on this? Were these gang members named?"

dont think because no names were given or because nothing came out of the reports means that it never happened.


Yes the gang members was named, they all had a serect meeting with Manning and all but one was killed

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby zoom rader » December 13th, 2012, 1:44 pm

netsket wrote:
nemisis wrote:The Jamaica Observer newspaper has accused the Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar-led government of “ethnic stocking” and says this country is deluding itself about racial harmony. In an editorial yesterday, titled “The more important issue is abuse of substance,” the paper charged this country’s government not only with the ethnic stocking of public offices to consolidate its grip on political power, but also of the perception of widespread corruption.



“The real problem in the energy-rich republic is not substance abuse, but the abuse of substance. By that we mean the abuse of the substance of government business because of the ethnic stocking of public offices and the widespread perception of corruption.



“This year, on Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index, T&T was ranked 80 out of 176 countries, down from 71 in 2011. In fact, Trinidad and Tobago scored 39 on a scale of 100, on par with Jamaica and behind the rest of the Caribbean islands.



“One of the egregious aspects of corruption is what is known as ‘ethnic stocking’—the appointment to public office, including overseas posts, on the basis of ethnicity to ensure ethnic monopoly of political power. “Notwithstanding Minister Jack Warner, the current Government of T&T has systematically practised ethnic stocking; rewarding individuals with positions even though they are not qualified, either by professional training or by pertinent transferable work experience.



“The instances of local appointments are too numerous to discuss, but the embarrassment associated with overseas appointees poses reputational damage. Ms Therese Baptiste-Cornelis was fired as ambassador to the United Nations, Geneva, after some inappropriate remarks. There was even a case of a diplomat assigned to the T&T High Commission in London being charged with conspiracy to traffic cocaine.



“Many people in T&T do not want to tackle ethnic stocking because persons who raise the issue are accused of being racist in a society guilty of self-delusion about racial harmony. “There needs to be a parliamentary review of appointees to local and overseas posts to ensure that they possess the necessary qualifications and years of pertinent experience, and to establish a transparent selection process free of ethnic bias.”



When the T&T Guardian contacted the Observer by telephone yesterday, the Jamaican newspaper’s executive editor of publication Vernon Davidson said he could not comment fully on the opinion, as he did not write it.
Davidson refused to divulge the identity of the editorial writer. Up to press time, Jamaican High Commissioner to T&T Sharon Saunders was out of office when the T&T Guardian called her for a comment.


This article wreaks of racialism and division. We dont get involved in their business, we barely know who their PM is. This must have PNM involvement wrt to details. Why wasnt it an issue when PNM was in power. The editor passing the buck and avoiding blame which is squarely his because he has to approve every article before being printed. Cockroach have no business in fowl party.

>>>>>MOST IMPORTANT JAMAICA IS RANKED 83 on Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index, T&T was ranked 80

This is work of PNM abroad

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby rfari » December 13th, 2012, 1:48 pm

zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:^^^ Doctors killing people statement is useless, are there any reports on this? Were these doctors named?

that like saying

"gang members killing gang members statement is useless, are there any reports on this? Were these gang members named?"

dont think because no names were given or because nothing came out of the reports means that it never happened.


Yes the gang members was named, they all had a serect meeting with Manning and all but one was killed

there's a difference between gang leaders/community leaders and gang members.
u know what zr? meem know why i going thru this with you. u just ducking and weaving here.
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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby Habit7 » December 13th, 2012, 1:49 pm

zoom rader wrote:
netsket wrote:This article wreaks of racialism and division. We dont get involved in their business, we barely know who their PM is. This must have PNM involvement wrt to details. Why wasnt it an issue when PNM was in power. The editor passing the buck and avoiding blame which is squarely his because he has to approve every article before being printed. Cockroach have no business in fowl party.

>>>>>MOST IMPORTANT JAMAICA IS RANKED 83 on Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index, T&T was ranked 80

This is work of PNM abroad


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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby netsket » December 13th, 2012, 1:55 pm

Minister Jack Warner, the current Government of T&T has systematically practised ethnic stocking;


:?



There was even a case of a diplomat assigned to the T&T High Commission in London being charged with conspiracy to traffic cocaine.


wasn't this under the PNM. Very misleading.

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby Crackpot » December 13th, 2012, 2:02 pm

zoom rader wrote:
hustla_ambition101 wrote:I wonder if that person went and saw each person in each company, because from experience and from personal interactions the ethnicity of a person cannot be determined by name..........

This is why under the PNM you had to provide a Photo when applying for a HDC house


Look I fed up of you and that asinine claim.

ANY mortgage organization or in particular any financial institution will ALWAYS ask for copies of your I.D that has your picture on it so they will get your face anyway. :? You making ppl feel that common-sense not common and the world operating by vapps :roll:

The PP is clearly fulfilling their agenda by creating perceived enemies and issues that are non-existant to justify their doctrine of "we time now", and all aboard friends and family. PNM neglected their own members and constituencies just like they neglected the rest of Trinidad, just look at beetham and laventille. However uncle Jack building $60.000 play park in felicity and every Saturday used to be illegal pavement parking in front of his office to get favors, jobs and even more.

If you doh like the photo scene then why is the Ministry using still asking for PHOTOGRAPHIC I.D with your application. http://www.ttconnect.gov.tt/gortt/porta ... ment+house :roll: They should have stopped that wicked PNM practise by now ent...steupz

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby rfari » December 13th, 2012, 2:10 pm

I feel zr does live in the bush.

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby Habit7 » December 13th, 2012, 2:12 pm

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby Dizzy28 » December 13th, 2012, 2:14 pm

PNM does install mostly Negros in Positions
UNC does install mostly Indians in positions.

Is Trinidad alluh living no surprises there.

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby rfari » December 13th, 2012, 2:24 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:PNM does install mostly Negros in Positions
UNC does install mostly Indians in positions.

Is Trinidad alluh living no surprises there.

I d'oh care what colour person holds a position in government. What is of more concern is if the person is competent and qualified.
And i think that a clear distinction has to be made between political appointments and appointments based on ethnicity.

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby nemisis » December 13th, 2012, 2:54 pm

zoom rader wrote:
nemisis wrote:Cool so the statistics indicate the last gov did it so what was needed was to review these supposed high positions and see if the individuals holding them were placed ahead of more suitably merited individuals. Instead what was done? They were supposedly replaced by equivalent waste of time individuals using the same method of the last admin "ethnicity".

Would you expect a PNM goverment to leave an appointed pp/unc head employee to carry out the duties and policies of the PNM goverment.

so replacing them with unqualified individuals is the solution zoom? You figure anyone would beat up if a ethnic appointee was made but the individual was over qualified for the position???

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby zoom rader » December 13th, 2012, 3:01 pm

nemisis wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
nemisis wrote:Cool so the statistics indicate the last gov did it so what was needed was to review these supposed high positions and see if the individuals holding them were placed ahead of more suitably merited individuals. Instead what was done? They were supposedly replaced by equivalent waste of time individuals using the same method of the last admin "ethnicity".

Would you expect a PNM goverment to leave an appointed pp/unc head employee to carry out the duties and policies of the PNM goverment.

so replacing them with unqualified individuals is the solution zoom? You figure anyone would beat up if a ethnic appointee was made but the individual was over qualified for the position???

Dude I never said anything being unqualified.
I am just repeating what a PNM minster said on i95.5 when he was question on the firing of UNC appointed state board members

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby Hook » December 13th, 2012, 3:01 pm

Habit7 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
netsket wrote:This article wreaks of racialism and division. We dont get involved in their business, we barely know who their PM is. This must have PNM involvement wrt to details. Why wasnt it an issue when PNM was in power. The editor passing the buck and avoiding blame which is squarely his because he has to approve every article before being printed. Cockroach have no business in fowl party.

>>>>>MOST IMPORTANT JAMAICA IS RANKED 83 on Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index, T&T was ranked 80

This is work of PNM abroad


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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby zoom rader » December 13th, 2012, 3:08 pm

rfari wrote:I feel zr does live in the bush.

Bush is better that Beetham anyday

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby rfari » December 13th, 2012, 3:13 pm

zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:I feel zr does live in the bush.

Bush is better that Beetham anyday

Only slight. Like 80 compared to 83 in a corruption perception index

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby rfari » December 13th, 2012, 3:17 pm

zoom rader wrote:
nemisis wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
nemisis wrote:Cool so the statistics indicate the last gov did it so what was needed was to review these supposed high positions and see if the individuals holding them were placed ahead of more suitably merited individuals. Instead what was done? They were supposedly replaced by equivalent waste of time individuals using the same method of the last admin "ethnicity".

Would you expect a PNM goverment to leave an appointed pp/unc head employee to carry out the duties and policies of the PNM goverment.

so replacing them with unqualified individuals is the solution zoom? You figure anyone would beat up if a ethnic appointee was made but the individual was over qualified for the position???

Dude I never said anything being unqualified.
I am just repeating what a PNM minster said on i95.5 when he was question on the firing of UNC appointed state board members

Call name. Doh fraid.

In anycase, this is one of the reasons i didn't vote for pnm last elections. Nepotism. But it seems like its the same way with this unc government.

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby Rooki3 » December 13th, 2012, 3:31 pm

Habit7 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
netsket wrote:This article wreaks of racialism and division. We dont get involved in their business, we barely know who their PM is. This must have PNM involvement wrt to details. Why wasnt it an issue when PNM was in power. The editor passing the buck and avoiding blame which is squarely his because he has to approve every article before being printed. Cockroach have no business in fowl party.

>>>>>MOST IMPORTANT JAMAICA IS RANKED 83 on Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index, T&T was ranked 80

This is work of PNM abroad


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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby netsket » December 13th, 2012, 3:48 pm

rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:I feel zr does live in the bush.

Bush is better that Beetham anyday

Only slight. Like 80 compared to 83 in a corruption perception index


u really stupid if u defending jamaica rather than ur own country. i guess u go defend africa next :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby netsket » December 13th, 2012, 3:49 pm

rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
nemisis wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
nemisis wrote:Cool so the statistics indicate the last gov did it so what was needed was to review these supposed high positions and see if the individuals holding them were placed ahead of more suitably merited individuals. Instead what was done? They were supposedly replaced by equivalent waste of time individuals using the same method of the last admin "ethnicity".

Would you expect a PNM goverment to leave an appointed pp/unc head employee to carry out the duties and policies of the PNM goverment.

so replacing them with unqualified individuals is the solution zoom? You figure anyone would beat up if a ethnic appointee was made but the individual was over qualified for the position???

Dude I never said anything being unqualified.
I am just repeating what a PNM minster said on i95.5 when he was question on the firing of UNC appointed state board members

Call name. Doh fraid.

In anycase, this is one of the reasons i didn't vote for pnm last elections. Nepotism. But it seems like its the same way with this unc government.


yea same way i voted for them (pnm) in the last election :roll:

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby rfari » December 13th, 2012, 3:56 pm

netsket wrote:
rfari wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
rfari wrote:I feel zr does live in the bush.

Bush is better that Beetham anyday

Only slight. Like 80 compared to 83 in a corruption perception index


u really stupid if u defending jamaica rather than ur own country. i guess u go defend africa next :lol: :lol: :lol:

Its like 2 cripples fighting up for last place in an olympic 100m. If u dont understand the logic, then dont bother to respond yuh big dummy

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby netsket » December 13th, 2012, 4:00 pm

looks like u dont understand cause u comparing 80 with 83....u know what is required to drop one place on the index?

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby rfari » December 13th, 2012, 4:02 pm

netsket wrote:looks like u dont understand cause u comparing 80 with 83....u know what is required to drop one place on the index?

Yeah u look for it man. U look for
Meantime compare the positions with the rest of the caribbean

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby netsket » December 13th, 2012, 4:04 pm

rfari wrote:
netsket wrote:looks like u dont understand cause u comparing 80 with 83....u know what is required to drop one place on the index?

Yeah u look for it man. U look for
Meantime compare the positions with the rest of the caribbean


guess not :roll:

the end. again.

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby rfari » December 13th, 2012, 4:11 pm

This kid nitpicking 80 and 83 and fails to look at the wider picture. Srsly? :lol::lol::lol:

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby Crackpot » December 13th, 2012, 9:44 pm

The sheep are really grasping at straws in here

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby pioneer » December 13th, 2012, 11:02 pm

honestly though...who is jamaica to be talking about our politics?

they have their own serious issues to deal with


brb murder stats for jamaica?

brb garrison violence

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby zoom rader » December 14th, 2012, 3:00 am

pioneer wrote:honestly though...who is jamaica to be talking about our politics?

they have their own serious issues to deal with


brb murder stats for jamaica?

brb garrison violence

^^^ dude dont blame Jamaica. Its the workings of PNM abroad that are feeding them these propaganda

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Re: Ethnic stocking

Postby rfari » December 14th, 2012, 3:11 am

U give pnm abroad way more credit than it deserves

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