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Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corruption

Postby suffocate69 » August 14th, 2011, 10:39 am

Ok so i was just shown a copy of a PTSC Evaluation report by a friend, won't go into details. But it is unbelievable how subjective and biased this thing is.

Btw this was apparently leaked by a disgruntled member of the PTSC Evaluation Comittee who attached a letter stating he was being forced to support an unbiased evaluation. It was sent to all major newspapers, the AG & Prime Minister.

I won't go into details until the story breaks and becomes public.

But basically, their "evaluation" appears extremely subjective.

Just an example: The Tender Evaluation rates one local company significantly higher over another local company when the report it self states that the company awarded the higher score is simply outsourcing it to a foriegn company that has little or no experience in this project and did not appear to understand the key successive phases of the project.

Whilst the same report gives a lower score to another local company but however states that this company had an excellent proposal, excellent understanding and experience in similar industries and will be done all local and the only detriment is their company size.

The inconsistencies and bias in this report in just incredible.

On a purely technical evaluation that is absolutely ludicrous that companies that clearly do not understand the objectives in the RFP score higher than a company who does. S

Someone should be fired for passing this evaluation.

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Postby eliteauto » August 14th, 2011, 10:47 am

Tendering in T&T has been intimately and inextricably/inexplicably linked to gerrymandering and political nepotism since we became independent, the best man for the job may not be the best man for the job

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby zoom rader » August 14th, 2011, 10:53 am

eliteauto wrote:Tendering in T&T has been intimately and inextricably/inexplicably linked to gerrymandering and political nepotism since we became independent, the best man for the job may not be the best man for the job


Can the British take us back now please.

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby - Rovin's car audio - » August 14th, 2011, 11:09 am

i tort this wud be about how pee en em got a huge discount for d election last yr & was still allowed over a yr to pay for it ....

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Postby Smokey » August 15th, 2011, 10:54 am

Buss the files nah.

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby Conrad » August 15th, 2011, 12:18 pm

(...Rovin...) wrote:i tort this wud be about how pee en em got a huge discount for d election last yr & was still allowed over a yr to pay for it ....


So the PP finally gave the PNM credit for something the PNM did?!

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby brainchild » August 15th, 2011, 12:27 pm

When last anyone down here get arrested for corruption? We all know where this goin...
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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby suffocate69 » August 15th, 2011, 2:54 pm

PP is more corupt than the PNM apparently

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Postby RBphoto » August 15th, 2011, 3:07 pm

Cool story bro.

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby Habit7 » August 15th, 2011, 3:12 pm

zoom rader wrote:Can the British take us back now please.


You went back to the British? No blame PNM plants still in PTSC? No blaming PNM contractors pressuring the poor PP to give them corrupt projects? No blaming failed PNM education system?

you arite?

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby suffocate69 » August 16th, 2011, 9:09 am

Here's an excerpt of the letter that was received by the Media.

To Whom lt May Concern

I am frustrated as a member of the Tenders Committee that I am being forced to support an evaluation that in my conscience is not correct and is unfair to the bidders.

Since l am not in control, I have forwarded the Tenders Committee's report in the hope that fair play will prevail.

The Tenders Committee's assessment report is grossly misrepresented in favour of a bidder whose prices are much higher than the average bidder's price and the technical evaluation of other bidders are highly underrated.

copy:

    Amalgamated Security Services Ltd.
    Cherami Ltd. - Telargo
    D Rampersad & Company Ltd. - SCI lnc.
    Facilities Management Systems Ltd. - Bioenable Technologies
    Geo Orbis - NextBus lnc.
    GSM Secure - lnsight USA
    Mentor Engineering -
    MORA Systems Ltd.
    Pegasus Services Ltd. - TSO
    Precision Point - Trapeze
    Pro Se Engineering and Air Conditioning - WRC Security
    Synchromatics
    Transurb Technirail

    Attorney General
    Ombudsman
    Prime Minister
    Trinidad Express
    Trinidad Guardian

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby eliteauto » August 16th, 2011, 9:22 am

seems the letter was forwarded to all bidders as well as the press, hmmm somebody trying to rock the boat

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Postby SUPAstarr » August 16th, 2011, 9:43 am

how everybody all of a sudden want to blow whistle soooooo, ahahahahahahhahahahahhaha

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby suffocate69 » August 16th, 2011, 10:27 am

SUPAstarr wrote:how everybody all of a sudden want to blow whistle soooooo, ahahahahahahhahahahahhaha


Well it's about time these things happen. I've read the tender evaluation and it amazing how poorly and rigged this thing appears.

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby RBphoto » August 16th, 2011, 2:06 pm

I still call BS. Post the full thing or UDFR. Not all evaluations favour the lowest bidder, and the technical competency worksheet would make it blatant if one of the bids was wrongfully favoured. I feel the man ask for a bribe, did not get it, and decide to mash up the process.

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby suffocate69 » August 16th, 2011, 3:15 pm

crossdrilled wrote:I still call BS. Post the full thing or UDFR. Not all evaluations favour the lowest bidder, and the technical competency worksheet would make it blatant if one of the bids was wrongfully favoured. I feel the man ask for a bribe, did not get it, and decide to mash up the process.


Could be, but the 'evaluation' document speaks for itself.

In it they short listed and awarded a high score to a vendor who has no experience and basically put in a half way tender.....while simultaneously shafting a vendor who has experience and based on what the evaluation states, had an excellent proposal with multiple positives about them.

Yup, that seems legit.

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby Aaron 2NR » August 16th, 2011, 3:39 pm

wait wait wait.....I remember being in a workshop a few months ago and PTSC was one of the companies in which the live online bidding was taking place....i.e E-auction
Everything is computerized and everyone know what the other party is bidding. It's not like the traditional tendering process in which you submit a tender and chose the lowest bidder. You have to qualify to provide the services, via audits etc. Then for a stipulated time period, the bidding go live and everyone submit prices based on the scope and requirements.....you can change your "bid" as many times as you like during this time period....I may have some more literature on it....

I call BS as well


http://www.finance.gov.tt/content/mrD4F451.pdf


http://legacy.guardian.co.tt/archives/2 ... ness3.html

http://www.finance.gov.tt/content/172.pdf

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Postby RBphoto » August 16th, 2011, 3:53 pm

I am calling major BS. Who are you to evaluate bids? Just because somebody says a bid is unacceptable does not mean it is incorrect. Your "friend" tie up your head. You have to have many years of experience on tender commities to be able to make sense of tenders and sift through BS and all the glossy literature bidders send. Some of the best bids are simple, really thin and to the point. Experienced companies don't spend too much money and manpower going beyond the bare requirements of technical acceptability. They know that the best strategy is to pump out bids in volume to many places, rather than over flog one prospect. Experienced tender board personelle know this and look at useless reference material and give a hearty "lol, didn't read".

Are you technically competent to review bids? If not, there is a reason you are not on the tender board.

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby RBphoto » August 16th, 2011, 3:55 pm

By the way, your fwen is liable to do some jail time for his actions :|

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby suffocate69 » August 16th, 2011, 4:11 pm

crossdrilled wrote:By the way, your fwen is liable to do some jail time for his actions :|


Dude I don't even know who leaked it....it was done anonymously :roll:

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby crazybalhead » August 16th, 2011, 4:43 pm

crossdrilled wrote:I am calling major BS. Who are you to evaluate bids? Just because somebody says a bid is unacceptable does not mean it is incorrect. Your "friend" tie up your head. You have to have many years of experience on tender commities to be able to make sense of tenders and sift through BS and all the glossy literature bidders send. Some of the best bids are simple, really thin and to the point. Experienced companies don't spend too much money and manpower going beyond the bare requirements of technical acceptability. They know that the best strategy is to pump out bids in volume to many places, rather than over flog one prospect. Experienced tender board personelle know this and look at useless reference material and give a hearty "lol, didn't read".

Are you technically competent to review bids? If not, there is a reason you are not on the tender board.


LOL wut???? It is quite the opposite.

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Re: Just read up a leaked PTSC Evaluation - Alleged Corrupti

Postby brams112 » August 16th, 2011, 7:18 pm

same thing cross says,no sheit hound can just bid on a project unless he knows how to do the job,all bidders have to present qualifications,refrences and so ,i say sour grapes

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