Comments on these installs ...

[- Rovin's car audio -]

SQ Judges & Competiors :

some guys on a usa forum saying certain things & i want to know what is ur professional comments on "SQ" sets installed like this & what exactly is wrong if anything in each case ?
















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[Soundstream_626]

hahahaha pod dey rasta ( translated as that pod looks goofy/ghetto )

but seriously , i read in alot of forums that you should try to keep the tweeter near the midbass but umm... that would give you sucky stage height wouldnt it ?

i have my tweets in the sail posts and my stage height is ok ... just on top the dash

and btw wdmc (err i mean what the hell)

[- Rovin's car audio -]

thanks for ur post Soundstream_626, but if u guys can type clearer english please because i want these guys who r from the USA to understand our posts ...

[jeff]

some guys on a usa forum saying certain things & i want to know what is ur professional comments on "SQ" sets installed like this & what is wrong if anything in each case ?




typical door setup except because the tweet is SO much closer to the listeners ears, Bad phase issues will be apparent with the imaging and soundstage, what ever happened to zero plane delay
will this work for a daily driver? of course





same as comment as above, the angled pod may not make any difference as the plds are not minimised in this install with the same phase issues occuring with the tweeters, imd phase shifts but most of all plds
will this work for a daily driver? of course





looks like a competition setups\ here, kick panels to minimise plds, tweet kept close to mid range, of axis tho(possibly prefab kick, depends on car acoustics), to eliminate phase shift, but this would work properly once the speaker in the kick is the main point source, and the speaker in the door is Not playing the same thing(imd), eg Only mid bass preferebly crossed lower than the wavelength of the width of the car



am...soundstage, imaging , listening position, actually everything is wrong with this..no



tweet lower from the listener than the mid, zero plane delay, nicely made kick and custom mounted midbass driver(due to the work on the custom pods) door prob prepped well
this is the most competition like install there

[M.S.]

The first 2 pics rovin posted are mine... that setup is in an old truck that is my daily driver.

I experimented with that tweeter up in the A pillar by the dash, lower near the mid, etc and the location you see there is what sounds best. Also I was not too concerned with making it look show quality, not worth the effort IMO, just wanted it to perform well.

BTW those are CDT ES components in case anyone wanted to know.

[jeff]

^^welcome to trintuner

well the best thing is to trust your ears as every in car, acoustics are different
nothings wrong with your setup for daily driving

[super sql]

welcome to the forum M.S.

[SR]

for an SQ judge it makes absolutly no difference as to how or where the speakers are installed nor what brand is used


all we are interested in is how it sounds

[richiepooh]

all is total SIHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[- Rovin's car audio -]

note these r all personal daily sets eh not comp level


im not a sq pro thats why i made this thread so that ppl who know can comment on it in detail like how jeff did - my point wasnt to make fun of anybody's personal daily set (& brands were never discussed) but to point out certain stuff i noticed like

1st pics - probably sounds great for all i know looks a bit too square , could have been made with some rings for a neater look

2nd set i found d black kinda clashed & tweeter probably a bit too low

3rd & last set - well i thought d tweeter was a bit too low too ... there gotta be a reason why A pillars is such a popular spot for tweeters among audiophiles

2nd to last pic well honestly i have never seen anybody locate a tweeter almost above ur head & the guy apparently got pissed & cussed me for saying so ... ....

[Aimar]

Those with the tweets low down in kicks may use ambient tweets up on the A pillar or dash to help pull there stage up @ dash level or higher.

[richiepooh]

Not only that if you use tweeters in the kick panels, they should be at the back position. Not Front.

[SR]

good for centre imaging
bad for stage width and height

[M.S.]

thanks for the welcome guys.

and Chad haha I didn't know you were on this forum

[- Rovin's car audio -]

chad & i go a ways back & got him to join here look at his Joined date : 09 Sep 2006 so both u M.S., & chad feel free to post in this forum when u r bored on other forums ...

[TK!]

i like the last setup (3-way ) the most. tweeters lower than the mids would have been done so that a line of sight exists between tweet and listener. there are also acoustic benifits too.. less reflections off harsh sufaces.

the midbass in the door is obvious.... better low end response in a large enclosure. midbasses are built with high vas .. for free air application.


i think the other installs are weird cause the distance between mid and tweet are high... also the angles are weird. but saying all dis in a vacuum is bad of me. they might sound good. tweets may be out of phase. i have my tweets on a=pillars out of phase

[roger]

for an SQ judge it makes absolutly no difference as to how or where the speakers are installed nor what brand is used


all we are interested in is how it sounds

agreed.

[super sql]

chad & i go a ways back & got him to join here look at his Joined date : 09 Sep 2006 so both u M.S., & chad feel free to post in this forum when u r bored on other forums ...

yeah. i've been here for a couple of years now. haven't really posted much but i did read alot of threads. lots of smart people on this forum. i pick up a few tips here and there from reading the threads here.

[demboyzaudio]

Welcome to trinituner.
learnt alot of stuff here,
Im sure u will to.
We have a lot of talent as u will see in some of the threads.

M.S. i like how u did the door pods

[nareshseep]

thinking bout installing some tweet by the tringle where the side mirrors what do you all think? I know it is bad for pld, but if I put on the kick panel sound stage will be low.

[Soundstream_626]

u running active?

if so try a second pair of tweets on the sail posts or higher and attenuate them

i was reading that above 1600 hz or so its the levels that help determine stage more than time alignment ... so even if u dont have ta it will be easier for you to achieve decent results.

[- Rovin's car audio -]

try some double side tape with different positions\locations to hear what sounds best to u .....

[mansing_12]

[- Rovin's car audio -]

^wtf is dat ...

[nareshseep]

u running active?

if so try a second pair of tweets on the sail posts or higher and attenuate them

i was reading that above 1600 hz or so its the levels that help determine stage more than time alignment ... so even if u dont have ta it will be easier for you to achieve decent results.

running passive .. with the possibility to run active later on

[Chiney]

^wtf is dat ...

nothing really...

[silent_riot]

^^^ That was posted on the forum already...by casper I think. A crowdpleaser wagon with painted amps etc, and how each door have 3 grand in speakers facing away from the crowd. Can't remember anythin more.

[ztune]

Is this for real?

[noyztoyz]

yea jed each door has speakers like mad, best brand though, facing away from crowd, with un-bad amps on them..

it win out everybody for most mids speakers in a vehicle, but it aint louder than much..

[Chiney]

wat crowd please ppl need to do is not just put more mids to make more noise, but since you already have SO much, and u know u louder, try to get it do sound a bit more complete and full..rather than lacking and just LOUD