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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Xplode » March 5th, 2022, 7:55 pm

pugboy wrote:that means the pipe had plenty air in it somehow

They had aircompressor working for fresh air ,what a way to suffer ,even heard one was in a split position ,another feet and head touching crouch.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby pugboy » March 5th, 2022, 8:03 pm

who would have been responsible for keeping the compressor running after paria issue stop rescue orders ?

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pugboy wrote:that means the pipe had plenty air in it somehow

They had aircompressor working for fresh air ,what a way to suffer ,even heard one was in a split position ,another feet and head touching crouch.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby goalpost » March 5th, 2022, 8:16 pm

Didn't see any major media report on the autopsy findings, so not sure if legit tho

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby carluva » March 5th, 2022, 8:46 pm

Within one week. We have already forgotten the massive nationwide power outage.
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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby S_2NR » March 5th, 2022, 9:41 pm

What power outage?

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby MaxPower » March 5th, 2022, 10:18 pm

Xplode wrote:They had aircompressor working for fresh air ,what a way to suffer ,even heard one was in a split position ,another feet and head touching crouch.


I cannot even imagine what these men went through.

The pain, suffering and discomfort in such a small space….

If true, the one in the split position would have most likely been sucked in foot first and the other from the lower back.

Ok im done assuming, can’t bear to think about it.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby timelapse » March 6th, 2022, 7:20 am

Seeing conspiracy theories that Piper was involved in the fuel smuggling racket using equipment that not supposed to be in use.The truth will come out eventually.Either he's a crook,a sociopath or a jackarse.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Redman » March 6th, 2022, 8:20 am

Well the Express carried a story today on the rescue diver.
He quoted the survivor as saying that they were banging since 230pmFriday.
I don't know if this is poor construction of the sentence.


Ramoutar said they returned to the surface with Boodram, who appeared to be shaken by the ordeal. He had been underwater since 2.30 p.m. that day, knocking the pipeline and calling for help.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby MaxPower » March 6th, 2022, 8:33 am

timelapse wrote:Seeing conspiracy theories that Piper was involved in the fuel smuggling racket using equipment that not supposed to be in use.The truth will come out eventually.Either he's a crook,a sociopath or a jackarse.


The truth could come out…..it always does.

Everyone knows or will eventually know what happened….

But that’s where it stops.

I have set my mind that nothing will come out of this.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby gastly369 » March 6th, 2022, 9:00 am

Redman wrote:Well the Express carried a story today on the rescue diver.
He quoted the survivor as saying that they were banging since 230pmFriday.
I don't know if this is poor construction of the sentence.


Ramoutar said they returned to the surface with Boodram, who appeared to be shaken by the ordeal. He had been underwater since 2.30 p.m. that day, knocking the pipeline and calling for help.
Also to note job was being done since the Monday and not a 1 time dive... Idk if was mentioned anywhere

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Redman » March 6th, 2022, 9:39 am

MaxPower wrote:
timelapse wrote:Seeing conspiracy theories that Piper was involved in the fuel smuggling racket using equipment that not supposed to be in use.The truth will come out eventually.Either he's a crook,a sociopath or a jackarse.


The truth could come out…..it always does.

Everyone knows or will eventually know what happened….

But that’s where it stops.

I have set my mind that nothing will come out of this.


I disagree.

The stage is already set towards discrediting whatever the official result is.

And in that regard the lessons to be learned will instead be lost,to the detriment of the institutional capacity.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby alfa » March 6th, 2022, 9:41 am

MaxPower wrote:
timelapse wrote:Seeing conspiracy theories that Piper was involved in the fuel smuggling racket using equipment that not supposed to be in use.The truth will come out eventually.Either he's a crook,a sociopath or a jackarse.


The truth could come out…..it always does.

Everyone knows or will eventually know what happened….

But that’s where it stops.
I have set my mind that nothing will come out of this.


Sad but true

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby 16 cycles » March 6th, 2022, 10:09 am

Is there more than one Piper or same person those claims attributed to?

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » March 6th, 2022, 10:19 am

All those allegations and still drawing a nice pay check...when in Rome......

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby pugboy » March 6th, 2022, 10:51 am

you mean agree

Redman wrote:
MaxPower wrote:
timelapse wrote:Seeing conspiracy theories that Piper was involved in the fuel smuggling racket using equipment that not supposed to be in use.The truth will come out eventually.Either he's a crook,a sociopath or a jackarse.


The truth could come out…..it always does.

Everyone knows or will eventually know what happened….

But that’s where it stops.

I have set my mind that nothing will come out of this.


I disagree.

The stage is already set towards discrediting whatever the official result is.

And in that regard the lessons to be learned will instead be lost,to the detriment of the institutional capacity.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby The_Honourable » March 6th, 2022, 10:58 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:So if there is some iota of truth to that autopsy results...status quo has changed and we looking at murder charges?


Any of the families confirmed this? Seeing suggestions that it was just when the district medical officer declared the 3/4 divers dead on monday.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Redman » March 6th, 2022, 11:47 am

i wasnt clear…i disagree.
we love to “know” what happen, without the truth being revealed,accepted and benefited from.

look at what has been said so far.
Everybody know.

the truth, what actually happened is probably a mundane underwhelming sequence of events.
with catastrophic consequences, but not satisfactory for the conspiracies that abound.

so people already “know” what went down,and will never believe whatever the official story is.


pugboy wrote:you mean agree

Redman wrote:
MaxPower wrote:
timelapse wrote:Seeing conspiracy theories that Piper was involved in the fuel smuggling racket using equipment that not supposed to be in use.The truth will come out eventually.Either he's a crook,a sociopath or a jackarse.


The truth could come out…..it always does.

Everyone knows or will eventually know what happened….

But that’s where it stops.

I have set my mind that nothing will come out of this.



I disagree.

The stage is already set towards discrediting whatever the official result is.

And in that regard the lessons to be learned will instead be lost,to the detriment of the institutional capacity.
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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby K74T » March 6th, 2022, 11:57 am

16 cycles wrote:Is there more than one Piper or same person those claims attributed to?
Same Colin Piper...he was there since Petrotrin days

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby sMASH » March 6th, 2022, 4:03 pm

The safeties failed, either due to improper assessment in the planning, or operator error to introduce the vacuum.


Still not clear what caused the vacuum to suck the guys in.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby aaron17 » March 6th, 2022, 6:40 pm

Idk about this..
How long it took to normalize the pipe? After 3 days? Also we have to take in consideration that they were looking for them and could not locate them in the pipe after the pipe was deemed to be safe to search?

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Redman » March 6th, 2022, 6:55 pm

Getting sucked into a vertical 30 inch pipe and ending up x00 feet along the lateral piece, in the midst of the contents of the habitat,tanks, etc.
I'm sorry I pray those guys did not suffer and I don't think surviving for 3 days is likely.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby eliteauto » March 6th, 2022, 8:11 pm

The jackass social media commentators who can't read a death certificate are causing further distress to the families of the deceased

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby timelapse » March 6th, 2022, 8:55 pm

Plenty of allyuh were on the George Flloyd bandwagon.These are our countrymen who literally couldn't breathe for 3 days.Somebody head has to roll

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby adnj » March 7th, 2022, 8:23 am

timelapse wrote:Plenty of allyuh were on the George Flloyd bandwagon.These are our countrymen who literally couldn't breathe for 3 days.Somebody head has to roll
These deaths are likely caused by negligence or reckless endangerment, perhaps worse. Those acts ARE criminal.

If you want this to parallel the George Floyd incident, you would need at least fifteen TTPS officers to open a hatch, force the five divers through the hatch into the pipe, and then hold the hatch shut until after they were dead. And then refuse them medical attention.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby timelapse » March 7th, 2022, 8:35 am

adnj wrote:
timelapse wrote:Plenty of allyuh were on the George Flloyd bandwagon.These are our countrymen who literally couldn't breathe for 3 days.Somebody head has to roll
These deaths are likely caused by negligence or reckless endangerment, perhaps worse. Those acts ARE criminal.

If you want this to parallel the George Floyd incident, you would need at least fifteen TTPS officers to open a hatch, force the five divers through the hatch into the pipe, and then hold the hatch shut until after they were dead. And then refuse them medical attention.
This is basically what Paria did to those men.Cutting the pipe was never an option?
I keep hearing about reckless practices there and from Petrotrin days, especially about that Piper guy.That being true,once is an accident three or four times is a habit

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Redman » March 7th, 2022, 8:46 am

The only similarity between G Floyd whole scenario and this-is there is plenty janjat in dealing with the persons, while ignoring the systemic elephants in the room.

So drape up the officers that killed Floyd, not recognising that the incident is a symptom.
Piper could be hung High,the board drawn and quartered- but the song will remain the same, unless there is a change in how work is done here.


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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby S_2NR » March 7th, 2022, 10:48 am

timelapse wrote:
adnj wrote:
timelapse wrote:Plenty of allyuh were on the George Flloyd bandwagon.These are our countrymen who literally couldn't breathe for 3 days.Somebody head has to roll
These deaths are likely caused by negligence or reckless endangerment, perhaps worse. Those acts ARE criminal.

If you want this to parallel the George Floyd incident, you would need at least fifteen TTPS officers to open a hatch, force the five divers through the hatch into the pipe, and then hold the hatch shut until after they were dead. And then refuse them medical attention.
This is basically what Paria did to those men.Cutting the pipe was never an option?
I keep hearing about reckless practices there and from Petrotrin days, especially about that Piper guy.That being true,once is an accident three or four times is a habit

Jus cut open the pipe?
This ain't a pvc pipe in yu house u know

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby timelapse » March 7th, 2022, 10:58 am

Anything other than blocking the only available exit

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby devrat » March 7th, 2022, 11:53 am

sMASH wrote:The safeties failed, either due to improper assessment in the planning, or operator error to introduce the vacuum.


Still not clear what caused the vacuum to suck the guys in.


Answer is in the 3 vids (FB "live") on the night of the incident (Friday) where they showed Berth 5 and then on Sunday 1 from Gary Aboud and another from Inshan when they were out at sea.
On Friday Berth 5 was empty on Sunday there is a Tanker alongside, assumed berthed on Saturday and departed Monday whilst the Coast Guard was "securing the area".
Divers missing in a pipeline between Berth 6 & 5......no rescue efforts but line capped, yet a Tanker was brought onto Berth 5???? a dedicated crude Berth??? Seems it was very important to have that vessel inside and out with the utmost urgency.
Timeframe matches with "recovery" efforts on Monday.........after vessel departed.

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