Venezuela Government thread

[teems1]

The EU regional and wealthy in powers (UK/France/Germany/Spain/Switzerland/Sweden) have all backed Guiado.

The US/Canada/Brazil are the western powers.

Yet T&T would soon be in the same sentence with Russia/Iran/Syria/China/Cuba/Turkey.

This doesn't bode well.

[The_Honourable]

Russia warns US against military intervention - https://nationalpost.com/news/world/rus ... -the-table

Iran and Hezbollah also warns US: https://jewishjournal.com/news/world/29 ... president/

Maduro orders Venezuelan diplomats out of US: www.startribune.com/the-latest-australi ... 504792242/

Oil Prices seem unaffected: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-oi ... 1548351202

[88sins]

easy enough to get out of, keith, stuart & the rest of the jackass bray crew simply hadda keep dey blasted traps shut & take no sides. its impossible to be labeled for or against if you remain neutral and obviously indifferent.

but then that go be expecting a lot from those idiots

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Sends in trinidad fighter jets

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Actually the guy is updating the image as frequently as possible.

China, South Africa, Iran, Syria and Laos back Maduro now

https://twitter.com/TomaszRolbiecki

He has T&T as undecided or unmarked so far

[l33t2]

Lmao.

This thread proves the prevailing cluelessness in a section of Tuner. I think people are forgetting that even though Maduro is unpopular and even his core support seems to be evaporating, he's still the elected leader of a sovereign nation? Just because Trump is too stupid to not just blurt out an outright call for regime change, means that our leaders (Kamla) should jump on that toxic bandwagon? Especially when we don't know how far they'd be willing to go? Being neutral is the wisest bet, for now, because while we're with the people to remove him from office, it should be done by calls for diplomatic transition talks and not merely picking sides, interference, or force. Yes sh!t-eaters, some situations are more complicated than black and white.

Ok well he is actually not elected and is keeping power against the Constitution. Keep up and be on the side of good for once in your life.

[Rovin]

how does a country & its currency worth come back from a whole mth salary for some ppl that cud only afford to buy u a hotdog from a street vendor ? ....

[D Diesel Report]

Rowlee is doing some serious damage and the CIA is watching over this banana republic.

Remember when the CIA coined Manning as megalomaniac, I wonder what studies they doing on the PNM prime minister now.

De CIA has classed him a mega JA

[zoom rader]

Sends in trinidad fighter jets

What the Cobos that fly over Beetham dump?

[Redress10]

Lmao.

This thread proves the prevailing cluelessness in a section of Tuner. I think people are forgetting that even though Maduro is unpopular and even his core support seems to be evaporating, he's still the elected leader of a sovereign nation? Just because Trump is too stupid to not just blurt out an outright call for regime change, means that our leaders (Kamla) should jump on that toxic bandwagon? Especially when we don't know how far they'd be willing to go? Being neutral is the wisest bet, for now, because while we're with the people to remove him from office, it should be done by calls for diplomatic transition talks and not merely picking sides, interference, or force. Yes sh!t-eaters, some situations are more complicated than black and white.

Ok well he is actually not elected and is keeping power against the Constitution. Keep up and be on the side of good for once in your life.

Leave them Shogun, they truly are clueless.

This next one talking about being on "the side of good" for once like is some popularity test.

You do know that if you go against the sitting administration then they could consider you a hostile foreign threat right. That essentially means that both Venezuela and TT would be placed on a war footing. We would also have to sever diplomatic ties between both nations and increase military readiness in case of any attack from Venezuelan armed forces.

It's ez to "take a side"when you not living next door.

[agent007]

We should have offered the US govt to accept all diplomats from Venezuela into POS and they can take their time and leave for the US mainland from here. We should have offered our maritime waters to the US to setup temporary bases here to give them strategic advantage both sea and air. Instead, the cold shoulder continues on and this inept govt supports Maduro because they stand to benefit from poorly constructed agreements. The US has been nothing but friends to us and we should reciprocate same.

[Kalisnakov]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more public outcry about Rowley's deals with Maduro. I don't dislike Rowley as a person, but his administrations long term plans for Trinidad are sorely lacking.

Say what your want about UNC/PP or even Manning's PNM, but guys like K Ramnarine, Bhow Tewari, Conrad Enill etc were real strategic planners who you could trust to do what's right for the future of TT. Rowley's PNM is a sham, and I'm truly concerned about our future.

Ur makin tooooo much sense bro......u no trinis don’t like dat.....Trinidad is 3/4way a s~~thole but we don’t care once it have carnival n fete daz all dat matters......

[urbandilema]

War...War never changes..brace yourselves

[l33t2]

Lmao.

This thread proves the prevailing cluelessness in a section of Tuner. I think people are forgetting that even though Maduro is unpopular and even his core support seems to be evaporating, he's still the elected leader of a sovereign nation? Just because Trump is too stupid to not just blurt out an outright call for regime change, means that our leaders (Kamla) should jump on that toxic bandwagon? Especially when we don't know how far they'd be willing to go? Being neutral is the wisest bet, for now, because while we're with the people to remove him from office, it should be done by calls for diplomatic transition talks and not merely picking sides, interference, or force. Yes sh!t-eaters, some situations are more complicated than black and white.

Ok well he is actually not elected and is keeping power against the Constitution. Keep up and be on the side of good for once in your life.

Leave them Shogun, they truly are clueless.

Trinis are really some of the dumbest people on the planet. This next one talking about being on "the side of good" for once like is some fcuking popularity test.

You do know that if you go against the sitting administration then they could consider you a hostile foreign threat right. That essentially means that both Venezuela and TT would be placed on a war footing. We would also have to sever diplomatic ties between both nations and increase military readiness in case of an attack from Venezuelan forces.

It's ez to "take a side"when you not living next door.

Lol just lol. A man steals an election, destroys a country, breaks their constitution to keep power, causes a huge portion of the country to flee. Yet you defending him? If you think Venezuela going to attack we, then I have a tsunami shelter to sell you.

Nothing you say is making any rational sense except to support your leader. Move along or provide support for your argument.

I'll help you out since you look like you might need the help. You can start by saying how supporting Maduro benefits us, or maybe use legal arguments to support Maduro being in power, maybe provide done evidence that his elections results were valid, maybe show how he's being unfairly blamed for Venezuela's (the country with the most oil in the world) economic crisis.

[Redress10]

We should have offered the US govt to accept all diplomats from Venezuela into POS and they can take their time and leave for the US mainland from here. We should have offered our maritime waters to the US to setup temporary bases here to give them strategic advantage both sea and air. Instead, the cold shoulder continues on and this inept govt supports Maduro because they stand to benefit from poorly constructed agreements. The US has been nothing but friends to us and we should reciprocate same.

First of all.....America doesn't need anything from us.

Move diplomats from Venezuela so that they could take their time and leave for the US mainland from here????

Are you really this daft? Do you even understand diplomats and how they live and work? They load up all of their stuff on cargo planes. They don't need any transitional time and they definitely don't need it from Trinidad. I am sure Colombia is more than capable of providing a staging ground for any diplomats.

Set up temporary bases? So now you are advocating for a foreign power to set up military bases on your land? Where would this take place and who would have to be displaced in order for this to happen? You realise that's what aircraft carriers are for? Colombia and Brazil are also well capable of providing staging points for America.

Also, you don't find that this a south american issue and people such as yourself who are unknowingly irrelevant should just butt out? You understand the history of South America and regime change there? Newsflash, situations such as these have been happening for decades.

What gas deals? The gas deals that your broken economy desperately need? Those gas deals? I'm pretty sure that Venezuela barely cares about such deals.

The US is not a friend to TT. TT is irrelevant to the US.

[Redress10]

Lmao.

This thread proves the prevailing cluelessness in a section of Tuner. I think people are forgetting that even though Maduro is unpopular and even his core support seems to be evaporating, he's still the elected leader of a sovereign nation? Just because Trump is too stupid to not just blurt out an outright call for regime change, means that our leaders (Kamla) should jump on that toxic bandwagon? Especially when we don't know how far they'd be willing to go? Being neutral is the wisest bet, for now, because while we're with the people to remove him from office, it should be done by calls for diplomatic transition talks and not merely picking sides, interference, or force. Yes sh!t-eaters, some situations are more complicated than black and white.

Ok well he is actually not elected and is keeping power against the Constitution. Keep up and be on the side of good for once in your life.

Leave them Shogun, they truly are clueless.

Trinis are really some of the dumbest people on the planet. This next one talking about being on "the side of good" for once like is some fcuking popularity test.

You do know that if you go against the sitting administration then they could consider you a hostile foreign threat. That essentially means that both Venezuela and TT would be placed on a war footing. We would also have to sever diplomatic ties between both nations and increase military readiness in case of an attack from Venezuelan forces.

It's ez to "take a side"when you not living next door.

Lol just lol. A man steals an election, destroys a country, breaks their constitution to keep power, causes a huge portion of the country to flee. Yet you defending him? If you think Venezuela going to attack we, then I have a tsunami shelter to feel you.

Nothing you say is making any rational sense except to support your leader. Move along or provide support for your argument.

I'll help you out since you look like you might need the help. You can start by saying how supporting Maduro benefits us, or maybe use legal arguments to support Maduro being in power, maybe provide done evidence that his elections results were valid, maybe show how he's being unfairly blamed for Venezuela's (the country with the most oil in the world) economic crisis.

Whatever happens in Venezuela doesn't concern us. We are a tiny island nation state with no economic or military might so all this talk about intervening in Venezuelan affairs makes no sense. Our position of neutrality is a very rational one. Those who can't see that need help. What happens if we choose a side and our pick loses? Are we prepared to face hostilities for the next couple of years from Venezuela? Guardia National already makes life difficult for our fishermen etc and we are not on hostile terms. What do you think is going to happen once we sever ties? Not more aggression?

Why people so concerned with any deals that we have with Venezuela. Regardless of who is in power there we will always need to maintain a working relationship with the regime. We are separated by 7 miles. You are advocating that we sever diplomatic ties with a nation that is only 7 miles away from us and not face the consequences that come with such a decision. Those deals are with the Venezuelan administration and not Maduro.

You have no clue what you are talking about and again just goes to show that some of you all are clueless as to our position as a geopolitical actor.

Go back to school or read a book.

[teems1]

Lmao.

This thread proves the prevailing cluelessness in a section of Tuner. I think people are forgetting that even though Maduro is unpopular and even his core support seems to be evaporating, he's still the elected leader of a sovereign nation? Just because Trump is too stupid to not just blurt out an outright call for regime change, means that our leaders (Kamla) should jump on that toxic bandwagon? Especially when we don't know how far they'd be willing to go? Being neutral is the wisest bet, for now, because while we're with the people to remove him from office, it should be done by calls for diplomatic transition talks and not merely picking sides, interference, or force. Yes sh!t-eaters, some situations are more complicated than black and white.

Ok well he is actually not elected and is keeping power against the Constitution. Keep up and be on the side of good for once in your life.

Leave them Shogun, they truly are clueless.

Trinis are really some of the dumbest people on the planet. This next one talking about being on "the side of good" for once like is some fcuking popularity test.

You do know that if you go against the sitting administration then they could consider you a hostile foreign threat. That essentially means that both Venezuela and TT would be placed on a war footing. We would also have to sever diplomatic ties between both nations and increase military readiness in case of an attack from Venezuelan forces.

It's ez to "take a side"when you not living next door.

Lol just lol. A man steals an election, destroys a country, breaks their constitution to keep power, causes a huge portion of the country to flee. Yet you defending him? If you think Venezuela going to attack we, then I have a tsunami shelter to feel you.

Nothing you say is making any rational sense except to support your leader. Move along or provide support for your argument.

I'll help you out since you look like you might need the help. You can start by saying how supporting Maduro benefits us, or maybe use legal arguments to support Maduro being in power, maybe provide done evidence that his elections results were valid, maybe show how he's being unfairly blamed for Venezuela's (the country with the most oil in the world) economic crisis.

Whatever happens in Venezuela doesn't concern us. We are a tiny island nation state with no economic or military might so all this talk about intervening in Venezuelan affairs makes no sense. Our position of neutrality is a very rational one. Those who can't see that need help. What happens if we choose a side and our pick loses? Are we prepared to face hostilities for the next couple of years from Venezuela? Guardia National already makes life difficult for our fishermen etc and we are not on hostile terms. What do you think is going to happen once we sever ties? Not more aggression?

Why people so concerned with any deals that we have with Venezuela. Regardless of who is in power there we will always need to maintain a working relationship with the regime. We are separated by 7 miles. You are advocating that we sever diplomatic ties with a nation that is only 7 miles away from us and not face the consequences that come with such a decision. Those deals are with the Venezuelan administration and not Maduro.

You have no clue what you are talking about and again just goes to show that some of you all are clueless as to our position as a geopolitical actor.

Go back to school or read a book.

All the time Trinidad abstains from votes, yet this is the time we come out and make a statement.

The government should have taken a neutral stance or concerned like Guyana or Australia.

Backing Maduro who has been involved in rigging elections isn't smart.

[Redress10]

But the Government has taken a neutral stance though.

What they have said is they acknowledge the President of Venezuela Whoever that person is up to the will of the venezuelan people. Why is that so hard to understand. If the president changes tomorrow to a butterfly then I'm sure that this government would back that person as well.

It basically comes like an election campaign. Guido v Maduro but whoever wins we work with. It's that simple

[Melchizedek]

Who supports Maduro?
Bolivia: Bolivia’s left-wing president, Evo Morales, tweeted his support for Maduro Wednesday night, saying, “Our solidarity with the Venezuelan people and our brother Nicolas Maduro,” and “Never again will we be in the USA’s backyard.”

Cuba: Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel also took to Twitter Wednesday, voicing his support for the socialist leader.Cuba is Venezuela’s closest ally. Venezuela, which holds the world’s largest oil reserves, exchanges crude for Cuban medical and other technical services, though deliveries have dropped in recent years during the economic implosion in the country.

Russia: Russia has voiced its support for Maduro and on Thursday accused the U.S. of trying to usurp power in Venezuela and warned against military intervention.

The Kremlin has been heavily invested in Venezuela‘s oil industry. In fact, Rosneft, Russia’s biggest oil producer and one of the largest globally, operates in the country. Russia has helped the Latin American nation’s military by providing planes, tanks and other equipment. The Kremlin has also exported hundreds of thousands of tonnes of wheat to Venezuela.The Kremlin has also offered a lot of financial support, especially during recent economic hardships in Caracas. For example, in Nov. 2017, Russia agreed to restructure Venezuelan sovereign debt of $3.15 billion, with repayments lasting 10 years, according to Reuters.

Turkey: Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan also offered support for Maduro.

“My brother Maduro! Stand tall, we stand by you!” presidential spokesman Ibrahim Kalin wrote on Twitter, quoting Erdogan. Many Turks also voiced support for Maduro on social media using the hashtag, #WeAreMaduro.Economic and political ties between Turkey and Caracas have grown stronger, with Erdogan criticizing sanctions against Venezuela during a visit there last month.

Iran: Iran has long been an ally of Maduro.

On Thursday, Iran’s foreign ministry spokesman said the “Islamic Republic of Iran supports the government and people of Venezuela against any sort of foreign intervention and any illegitimate and illegal action such as attempt to make a coup d’etat.”

Iran also condemned any intervention in Venezuela by the U.S.

China: China said it supports efforts to protect Venezuela‘s independence and stability and called on the U.S. to stay out of the nation’s political crisis.

Beijing is Venezuela’s top financial lender. Over the last decade, China has given Venezuela $65 billion in loans, cash and investment. Venezuela owes more than $20 billion, according to the Associated Press.

Syria: Syria has condemned what it describes as “flagrant intervention” by the U.S. in Venezuela’s internal affairs.

Maduro is a strong ally of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Maduro visited Syria as foreign minister in 2011, months after the Arab country’s conflict began. Assad visited Venezuela in 2010.

Who supports Guaido?
Canada: On Wednesday, Canada said it recognized Guaido as Venezuela’s interim president. Canada had previously denounced Maduro’s presidency as illegitimate.“Having seized power through fraudulent and anti-democratic elections held on May 20, 2018, the Maduro regime is now fully entrenched as a dictatorship,” Freeland said in a previous statement. “The suffering of Venezuelans will only worsen should he continue to illegitimately cling to power.”

The United States: The U.S. recognized Guaido shortly after he proclaimed himself president Wednesday, saying it would use its “economic and diplomatic power” to restore democracy in Venezuela.

U.S. President Donald Trump issued a statement calling Maduro “illegitimate.”

Britain: Britain’s foreign secretary said Thursday that Guaido is “the right person” to take the troubled country forward.

Jeremy Hunt said the Venezuelan election was “deeply flawed” and said the regime led by Maduro has done “untold damage to the people of Venezuela.”

Hunt said it is clear that Maduro is not the “legitimate” leader of Venezuela, but he stopped short of recognizing Guaido as president.

European Union: On Thursday, the EU called for the launch of a political process in Venezuela that would lead to fresh elections.

EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherni said, “the EU strongly calls for the start of an immediate political process leading to free and credible elections,” and also called for the safety and rights of lawmakers and Guaido to be protected.

Latin America: As of Thursday, 11 Latin American countries voiced their support for Guaido, which included Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, Paraguay and Peru.

These countries are most of the members of the Lima Group, a regional bloc of the Americas (which Canada is also a part of), and are pushing for democratic reforms in Venezuela. Paraguay was the first regional country to express support after Guaido took an oath before thousands of supporters.

“Count on us to embrace freedom and democracy again,” Paraguayan President Mario Abdo Benitez said on Twitter.

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said Latin America’s largest nation also would support Guaido, “so that peace and democracy return to Venezuela.”

Who remains silent?
Mexico: On Wednesday, the Mexican government said on Twitter it would not take sides, citing “our constitutional principles of non-intervention, auto-determination, and peaceful solutions to international conflicts.”

Uruguay, Guyana and Santa Lucia have also decided not to intervene, according to Al Jezzera.

— With files from Reuters and the Associated Press
© 2019 Global News, a division of Corus Entertainment Inc.

[l33t2]

Well FYI Foreign Affairs Dennis Moses said on air (CNC3) that T&T supports Maduro as the legitimate President of Venezuela.

[agent007]

We should have offered the US govt to accept all diplomats from Venezuela into POS and they can take their time and leave for the US mainland from here. We should have offered our maritime waters to the US to setup temporary bases here to give them strategic advantage both sea and air. Instead, the cold shoulder continues on and this inept govt supports Maduro because they stand to benefit from poorly constructed agreements. The US has been nothing but friends to us and we should reciprocate same.

First of all.....America doesn't need anything from us.

Move diplomats from Venezuela so that they could take their time and leave for the US mainland from here????

Are you really this daft? Do you even understand diplomats and how they live and work? They load up all of their stuff on cargo planes. They don't need any transitional time and they definitely don't need it from Trinidad. I am sure Colombia is more than capable of providing a staging ground for any diplomats.

Set up temporary bases? So now you are advocating for a foreign power to set up military bases on your land? Where would this take place and who would have to be displaced in order for this to happen? You realise that's what aircraft carriers are for? Colombia and Brazil are also well capable of providing staging points for America.

Also, you don't find that this a south american issue and people such as yourself who are unknowingly irrelevant should just butt out? You understand the history of South America and regime change there? Newsflash, situations such as these have been happening for decades.

What gas deals? The gas deals that your broken economy desperately need? Those gas deals? I'm pretty sure that Venezuela barely cares about such deals.

The US is not a friend to TT. TT is irrelevant to the US.

Dont mind me gentlemen..... As for R10, you made a valid point which I accept but I disagree on the rest of your reply. I will get back to you soon.

[The_Honourable]

RT America

Rick Sanchez reports on the latest developments in Venezuela’s intensifying political crisis. Then RT America’s Dan Cohen reports on the increasingly shrill back-and-forth between Washington and Caracas as well as Russian voices joining the mix, with President Putin denouncing the present US interference in Venezuela as “a gross violation of the fundamental norms of international law.”


CNN

President Nicolas Maduro has decided to close Venezuela's embassy and all its consulates in the United States after the Trump administration recognized the opposition leader as president.
Speaking at Venezuela's Supreme Court on Thursday, Maduro said diplomats and consulate personnel will return to the Latin America country by Saturday.

[sMASH]

lighten up the mood.

[sMASH]

Well FYI Foreign Affairs Dennis Moses said on air (CNC3) that T&T supports Maduro as the legitimate President of Venezuela.

they will deal with the incumbent. support is used as there isnt a better word. the stance is neutral, and i agree.
the people will have to make changes as they see fit. and what ever results, we will work with what come about.

[88sins]

they will deal with the incumbent. support is used as there isnt a better word. the stance is neutral, and i agree.

oh there are better words, such as acknowledge, recognize. it's just that these simpletons too dumb & too lazy to think of them.

[pugboy]

a real clown yes
where do you find idiots like this

lighten up the mood.

[zoom rader]

a real clown yes
where do you find idiots like this

lighten up the mood.

I warned you all that PNM is full of clowns

[shake d livin wake d dead]

a real clown yes
where do you find idiots like this

lighten up the mood.

Find them within any govt

[Redman]

What's the impact of backing the wrong horse?
Weighed against that of a non aligned one?

I don't see us having any influence to be able to shift the balance....taking a position here will have little impact

[sMASH]

i not seeing us having an impact on WHO holds power, but only in making suggestions on aide to the people.

the impact of backing the wrong horse is only if we decide to sign economic deals with maduro and america levies sanctions on the maduro faction and all his dealings.

but it is quite a dangerous precedent ur setting up, for an outside nations to say they dont support a president, and then that regime is deemed invalid. u can win ur elections, but outsiders dont like u, and u can be deposed. not good at all.