Is the Crime Situation in Trinidad Is Overbearing???

[solar_ice]

Always the situation in Trinidad when the PNM in government

[De Dragon]

Great is the PNM. The "No Crime Plan" plan working like a charm.

[Average]

People just fed up of the negative news and the gloom and doom, that's all.
Indians and Africans are the majority but who really running the show? Take a good look at the powers, the movers, the elites.....Chinese and Syrians, all laughing to the bank.
Yes, most of the crime is gang related but these thugs rob and steal from tax paying citizens TOO! Only those with their head up their ass refuse to accept this because they live in their bubble with their like minded friends and family. They don't see Trinidad as a failed state because too many hotels, malls, fetes and beach limes taking up their time.
I say a move like hitler's gestapo would work. Round up the ones who violating and bury them, believe me, no one will care or feel sorry, no one.

[maj. tom]

As long as there are no consequences to committing crimes, it will get worse. Man degenerates into his primal violent psychology when there are no rules of civilization to keep him in bounds. There is no impetus for men to abide to the current rules of our society because there are no consequences for breaking the rules.

Police detection rates of crimes, especially violent crimes are so low in Trinidad that criminals have come to realize they will never be caught and can just do what they want. It will only get worse unless action is taken to increase the rate at which criminals are caught, tried and sentenced. Why won't this happen? Because we do not demand it of our leaders.

Anyway, carnival just now so ... what was the topic again?

[VA777]

How can we solve crime and stop drugs when people in high circles are involved in these action????
When the police service of Trinidad and Tobago find drugs that is equivalent to millions of dollars in street value who do you think bought that into the country? Not people from the Beetham, laventille or enterprise, it very big people. They are the ones who need to be prosecuted but how can they be when they are prominent people in society

[VA777]

How can we solve crime and stop drugs when people in high circles are involved in these action????
When the police service of Trinidad and Tobago find drugs that is equivalent to millions of dollars in street value who do you think bought that into the country? Not people from the Beetham, laventille or enterprise, it very big people. They are the ones who need to be prosecuted but how can they be when they are prominent people in society

[vaiostation]

People don't realise but there's a reason our boarders are wide open for anyone to enter, and no one cares to do anything about it.
Don't hesitate to think that certain people and politicians are not profiting from all of this crime.

People would be surprised how deep the rabbit hole really goes...

[MaxPower]

I say a move like hitler's gestapo would work. Round up the ones who violating and bury them, believe me, no one will care or feel sorry, no one.

I like your style

[4a70]

The root of our problems are based on the actual laws. Eons ago they copied and pasted british laws and they remain unchanged for our changing society. Also the lack of police who are honest and actualy perform there duties freely and fairly. If the police had more leverage with the laws on there side they would have more effect. And lastly, corpral punishment in schools.... the lack of it has changed society into reducing authority figures to laughing stocks as from an early age children realise there is no real consequences to doing wrong. Jus my 2c

[cherrypopper]

The jam and wine mentality have us so...

Fête after fête. .. This party that party .. no discipline in the place so let's kill today we could fête out that tomorrow.

[VII]

The jam and wine mentality have us so...

Fête after fête. .. This party that party .. no discipline in the place so let's kill today we could fête out that tomorrow.

Bro it's been so before this,I was born in the 70's and there have always been jam and wine,the problem is everything that the posters above stated,the endemic corruption,the crooked businessmen bringing in assault rifles among their goods for a 1000%+ markup,the respected men who stay at home and call pain on small people as if they're playing chess with their lives.

Also there was no preparation for the transition between pre and post cocaine T&T,plenty of the social issues affecting lower society can be attributed to piper parents,I kid you not I know at least 10 big big gangsters both living and dead who's parents were pipers and died from AIDS etc,plenty kids grew up almost on their own in the 80's-90's,government dropped the ball,they did nothing to fill the gaps, and they influenced all others,our problems can be fixed but it's a multifaceted problem that requires multifaceted solutions across the board,from social services to corrections to legislation to the judiciary to the educational structure to business regulations,to proper attitude sensitizing campaigns etc etc etc.

No one thing is gonna solve our problems,they have been brewing for 30+ years and only really manifested in the last 16 or so,but the single biggest contributing factor is corrupt businessmen and politicians,the biggest guns and the biggest drugs are handled by 'legitimate' businessmen that people look up to,I ain't asking you,ask Rspann if yuh feel ah lie..

Magical realism,but it can't last forever,we shall prevail but each of us has to make a change,even if it's only attitude,Trinis at home are some of the most entitled and obnoxious people on this planet couple that with being very resourceful and very ambitious and you got a big problem,time for Trinis to learn that the world don't revolve around us,time to respect each other,time to respect humanity,time to positively channel the ambition,time for a psyche change and fete or no fete that can't happen without a collective effort and basic and common respect for others.

Man if you hear a recording of the baddest street gangster ranting about which other gangsta he gonna lick down next with his AR or Glock and how much rocks and dime bags he gonna move and then you hear one of an esteemed businessman planning the murder of a decent hard working person with a nice family etc that's probably in his way or may have offended him in some way and hiring the same gangster above to carry out the dastardly deed ,and how many crates of ARs and Glocks with extended mags and hundreds of kilos he gonna move, tell me which one would be more frightening,twisted and revealing.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Reality check : several media houses claim that the hit which took place in st.Joseph was done by a "boss" in the north coast...why no arrests?? Why no outcry for this arrest??? All "intelligence" point to this guy and not one fork is done...

If government do what is necessary several people would feel the pinch..police officers, coast guard, prisons, ttr, immigration and customs..politicians would also feel it as well.

Answer questions like how are cell phones and other contraband found in the prison..we all know the answer but then prison association saying the job is very risky when its officers who actually do she it....

A snr supt came on beyond the tape and claim that miceman and ali were big bosses...after they were killed was there any raids conducted at their premises or other stash locations??? Obviously they must have all this information..

Every 5 years after a change in government someone always figure that there crime plan is the best and decide to start all over.. Not once would a nat sec minister say he would continue from a previous initiative...when would politicians realise there are no Pnm/ unc bandits????

There are so many questions that are unanswered and politicians would never treat with it..so people we have to live with it..

[racedriverpro]

We just need one man to stand up...who would it be?

[rspann]

What V11 saying is the truth. We grew up in the heart of real gangsterism, but the thing is we lived between them ,with them and still we didn't do what they did. That is a choice people make to live that life. Ali was my tenant for years and I knew him from birth. He was real dread but he was a kind of robin hood, sponsoring every thing in the neighborhood like Christmas party and toys for kids etc. He was a gangster ,yes , and he paid the ultimate price for his choice.
I Spoke to him many times like if he was my son, but he always saying he going to change. Spoke to him about an hour the night before his death and the morning ( Thursday). The van they were killed in was mine . Long story about that too.Right now, he was buried today and the Imam talked about all that I use to talk about,the whole gang was there plus gangsters from all over, real police too, but none of them going to listen to what he said. Tomorrow somebody going to take over the block and somebody going to challenge him, and when the dust clears and a new boss is installed ,life will go on for them until the cycle repeats itself. Choices.

[rspann]

We just need one man to stand up...who would it be?

Standing up is not a very healthy exercise. I always hear Zanda and others talking about standing up and about giving the police information. The same police who goes back to the offender and let them know who inform. Then comes the repercussions. Who risking their life for that.

[rspann]

Shake, knowing who did it and getting prosecutable evidence is two different things. People in organized crime hide the evidence of their wrongdoing, so it is kind of difficult to really prosecute them. Then they have money so they hire the best lawyers. You hear who fight Mice man murder case? Dana Seetahal.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

[quote="rspann"]Shake, knowing who did it and getting prosecutable evidence is two different things. People in organized crime hide the evidence of their wrongdoing, so it is kind of difficult to really prosecute them. Then they have money so they hire the best lawyers. You hear who fight Mice man murder case? Dana Seetahal.[/quote

So the big time intelligence agency called SSA doing what exactly...last nat sec minister said they were a toothless bulldog

[meccalli]

[cherrypopper]

The jam and wine mentality have us so...

Fête after fête. .. This party that party .. no discipline in the place so let's kill today we could fête out that tomorrow.

Bro it's been so before this,I was born in the 70's and there have always been jam and wine,the problem is everything that the posters above stated,the endemic corruption,the crooked businessmen bringing in assault rifles among their goods for a 1000%+ markup,the respected men who stay at home and call pain on small people as if they're playing chess with their lives.

Also there was no preparation for the transition between pre and post cocaine T&T,plenty of the social issues affecting lower society can be attributed to piper parents,I kid you not I know at least 10 big big gangsters both living and dead who's parents were pipers and died from AIDS etc,plenty kids grew up almost on their own in the 80's-90's,government dropped the ball,they did nothing to fill the gaps, and they influenced all others,our problems can be fixed but it's a multifaceted problem that requires multifaceted solutions across the board,from social services to corrections to legislation to the judiciary to the educational structure to business regulations,to proper attitude sensitizing campaigns etc etc etc.

No one thing is gonna solve our problems,they have been brewing for 30+ years and only really manifested in the last 16 or so,but the single biggest contributing factor is corrupt businessmen and politicians,the biggest guns and the biggest drugs are handled by 'legitimate' businessmen that people look up to,I ain't asking you,ask Rspann if yuh feel ah lie..

Magical realism,but it can't last forever,we shall prevail but each of us has to make a change,even if it's only attitude,Trinis at home are some of the most entitled and obnoxious people on this planet couple that with being very resourceful and very ambitious and you got a big problem,time for Trinis to learn that the world don't revolve around us,time to respect each other,time to respect humanity,time to positively channel the ambition,time for a psyche change and fete or no fete that can't happen without a collective effort and basic and common respect for others.

Man if you hear a recording of the baddest street gangster ranting about which other gangsta he gonna lick down next with his AR or Glock and how much rocks and dime bags he gonna move and then you hear one of an esteemed businessman planning the murder of a decent hard working person with a nice family etc that's probably in his way or may have offended him in some way and hiring the same gangster above to carry out the dastardly deed ,and how many crates of ARs and Glocks with extended mags and hundreds of kilos he gonna move, tell me which one would be more frightening,twisted and revealing.

Thanks for that detailed insight.

After all said and done we can only look out for each other and be our brother's keeper.

Such a shame things had to deteriorate like this .

[Redman]

If it is that drugs are passing through here ...the ports and airport are the only logicl exit points.

The bribe money goes where?????-allyuh think it stops when party changes???

The entire political directorate is beholden to the Drug trade.
The guns coming with the drugs and guns stay. We are getting to the point where EVERYBODY who wants a gun and isnt worried about the law has one...The only people with out guns are those who obey the law.

That gun genie is out of the bottle and the only solution is draconian measures...we need a coup since all political parties are bought and paid for.

I think its not a gun problem but a LAW enforcement problem.

BUT the flip side of that is the fact that Drug money and the laundering are propping up plenty balance sheets,real estate and business activity malls and such ....with out that we must see a big sustained contraction.....

Are we the people ready to end this SYMBIOTIC relationship that we have with the Drug transshipment business???

I say no we not...so whether we like it or not and regardless who we put in power/office.....there will not be a end to this-unless things change radically-I dont think we have the belly for that change.....or the consequences of that change.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Immediate law changes are needed...draconian as redman said...

Caught with a gun...no forking bail, let your trial take years to begin

Robbery etc etc...no bail...another thing : why do we continue to make prisoners feel as if in they're in a hotel? Prisoners on remand have a lovely lifestyle, 3 square meals a day etc etc...let those fckers plant there own food, clean up place etc etc...come nah man oh gosh...is every single arm of nat sec in a mess

[VII]

Immediate law changes are needed...draconian as redman said...

Caught with a gun...no forking bail, let your trial take years to begin

Robbery etc etc...no bail...another thing : why do we continue to make prisoners feel as if in they're in a hotel? Prisoners on remand have a lovely lifestyle, 3 square meals a day etc etc...let those fckers plant there own food, clean up place etc etc...come nah man oh gosh...is every single arm of nat sec in a mess

Yes you can't get the murderers,get the men with preferred tool for murder,let men be afraid to be next to an illegal firearm!

Yes draconian is what we need,kinda like how they do it in the US,I've been hoping for no bail swift trial in special Gun Court and 'life' with the possibility of parole if you respond to positive brain altering programs and convince us your'e ready to reintegrate and even then you would be electronically monitored and assessed,it has to be a system,locking them away and delaying trials may only compound the incubator effect in a rabid prison system,trust me it's a difficult thought to view some scum as human but we have to take the high road if we want the same standards to permeate wider society.

I'm certain all that would not cost even half of last year's Nat Sec budgetary allocations.

[VII]

The jam and wine mentality have us so...

Fête after fête. .. This party that party .. no discipline in the place so let's kill today we could fête out that tomorrow.

Bro it's been so before this,I was born in the 70's and there have always been jam and wine,the problem is everything that the posters above stated,the endemic corruption,the crooked businessmen bringing in assault rifles among their goods for a 1000%+ markup,the respected men who stay at home and call pain on small people as if they're playing chess with their lives.

Also there was no preparation for the transition between pre and post cocaine T&T,plenty of the social issues affecting lower society can be attributed to piper parents,I kid you not I know at least 10 big big gangsters both living and dead who's parents were pipers and died from AIDS etc,plenty kids grew up almost on their own in the 80's-90's,government dropped the ball,they did nothing to fill the gaps, and they influenced all others,our problems can be fixed but it's a multifaceted problem that requires multifaceted solutions across the board,from social services to corrections to legislation to the judiciary to the educational structure to business regulations,to proper attitude sensitizing campaigns etc etc etc.

No one thing is gonna solve our problems,they have been brewing for 30+ years and only really manifested in the last 16 or so,but the single biggest contributing factor is corrupt businessmen and politicians,the biggest guns and the biggest drugs are handled by 'legitimate' businessmen that people look up to,I ain't asking you,ask Rspann if yuh feel ah lie..

Magical realism,but it can't last forever,we shall prevail but each of us has to make a change,even if it's only attitude,Trinis at home are some of the most entitled and obnoxious people on this planet couple that with being very resourceful and very ambitious and you got a big problem,time for Trinis to learn that the world don't revolve around us,time to respect each other,time to respect humanity,time to positively channel the ambition,time for a psyche change and fete or no fete that can't happen without a collective effort and basic and common respect for others.

Man if you hear a recording of the baddest street gangster ranting about which other gangsta he gonna lick down next with his AR or Glock and how much rocks and dime bags he gonna move and then you hear one of an esteemed businessman planning the murder of a decent hard working person with a nice family etc that's probably in his way or may have offended him in some way and hiring the same gangster above to carry out the dastardly deed ,and how many crates of ARs and Glocks with extended mags and hundreds of kilos he gonna move, tell me which one would be more frightening,twisted and revealing.

Thanks for that detailed insight.

After all said and done we can only look out for each other and be our brother's keeper.

Such a shame things had to deteriorate like this .

My pleasure bro,I'm all about learning and teaching and would never attempt to teach anything that's not accurate.

Colombia's murder rate is on par and even lower than ours these days,and hundreds of % lower than the heydays,and their challenges are much greater than ours still!

There's hope but work needs to be done.

BALLS NEEDED ..Big one..

[VII]

What V11 saying is the truth. We grew up in the heart of real gangsterism, but the thing is we lived between them ,with them and still we didn't do what they did. That is a choice people make to live that life. Ali was my tenant for years and I knew him from birth. He was real dread but he was a kind of robin hood, sponsoring every thing in the neighborhood like Christmas party and toys for kids etc. He was a gangster ,yes , and he paid the ultimate price for his choice.
I Spoke to him many times like if he was my son, but he always saying he going to change. Spoke to him about an hour the night before his death and the morning ( Thursday). The van they were killed in was mine . Long story about that too.Right now, he was buried today and the Imam talked about all that I use to talk about,the whole gang was there plus gangsters from all over, real police too, but none of them going to listen to what he said. Tomorrow somebody going to take over the block and somebody going to challenge him, and when the dust clears and a new boss is installed ,life will go on for them until the cycle repeats itself. Choices.

I know the feeling bro,more than one occasion I had cause to accompany wifey to police stations to explain how cars on her rental company's name ended up in shootouts and reports etc..

Transfer allyuh vehicles pronto and do proper rental agreements etc..We just never had any probs because we are well known to the police for good reasons etc,police know that it's hard for many good people of today in T&T to avoid the elements,it's part of basic survival to treat everyone with respect,even such people and Spann you and I know that formula tooooo well!! That's why you could be open so anytime with one foot outside your shop if you want and my gates in the middle of the zones always open day or night,and that is another philosophy we must try to spread to brothers,you are more powerful if you can go anywhere and exist without war,no one makes money fighting wars and people should learn that,the police can also adopt a more proactive approach with the guys on the block,"smoke allyuh weed no rub down but allyuh have to cool the war",Spann you know everything is a lil give and take..of course the corrupt ones can negatively affect any code,they need a major overhaul too..

[desifemlove]

conspiracy theories are true! the political class is rooted in the criminal elements and they have them by the short and curlies....

this is why the measures needed to tackle crime ent being done, namely:

- offshore patrolling
- new tech for police
- community patrols
- more rigourous enforcement
- better traffic policing

there is no reason why either PNM or UNC haven't done these over ten years or more. Late Manning said he knew who Mr. Big was...ok. so then maybe this "Mr. Big" is de one running tings, and everybody at the mercy of this "Mr. Big".

[cherrypopper]

Runnin things in Trinidad

[Redman]

Maybe we should quadruple the quantity of magistrates and judges....un clog the judicial system,clear the cases that will go no where(it took me multiple 4 hr visits on court days over 2 years to be able to tell the magistrate that I didnt want to pursue the case,)

Set up video conferencing (it free with skype) for court dates, or have courts AT the jails for those purposes.

Night court, Saturday court,ADR,Mediation-more courts mean more volume.


leverage all of these SO that

People caught breaking the law today know that the case will be brought in an expeditious manner....

[MaxPower]

And ban that blasted cell phone in jail

[hong kong phooey]

Maybe we should quadruple the quantity of magistrates and judges....un clog the judicial system,clear the cases that will go no where(it took me multiple 4 hr visits on court days over 2 years to be able to tell the magistrate that I didnt want to pursue the case,)

Set up video conferencing (it free with skype) for court dates, or have courts AT the jails for those purposes.

Night court, Saturday court,ADR,Mediation-more courts mean more volume.


leverage all of these SO that

People caught breaking the law today know that the case will be brought in an expeditious manner....

lol
to much money to be made in transporting prisoners,
As redman said the numerous times someone have to appear in a court before before you even get to speak. As your case call it postponed. But if you not there you at fault. it seems the system try to frustrate someone who try to use it encouraging vigilante justice

[shake d livin wake d dead]

crime in this country would only get worse. Faris talking ah pack ah fackery wrs to changing motor vehicle laws : oh how the majority of criminal activities are done with the use of a vehicle so time to change the laws....utter BS... before the man concentrate on the laws pertaining to the actual crime he studying that sheit...them just looking for more ways to make money...pnm logic yes