Government achievement thread (PNM EDITION 2015-2025)

[Habit7]

Also politicizing the issue as if it is something to campaign for your party about is just as outrageous. This is a problem that we have been dealing with for about 15years and if don't address in the multifaceted judicial, social, economic as well as political implications of it, we would continue to point fingers while gangs murdering and domestic disputes turn fatal.

I think most tuners tired of the dohtishness u post. Let me break it down for u....

PP - PAST government that did alot crap hence why they are now the opposition.

PNM - CURRENT Government that are doing the same or even worst as the incumbent and hoping that we don't realise that we in for worst results than we experienced when the pp was in power.

If our current government is not willing and able to do what it takes to bring about progress they are more of a waste than their predecessors. Best they get out as early as possible.

If u can't see that, u need to start closing ur eyes when getting facials from ur PNM superiors.

Let me break it down even further for you.

2001-2010 The PNM won 3 general elections. During their tenure murders skyrocketed in 2008. Their plans put in place before had lag time effects and murder sharply decrease in 2009 and 2010 when PP took over, even kidnappings for ransom became almost 0.

2010-2015 With the promise to solve crime in 120 days the PP failed to live up to promises. After the embarrassment of a reversal of falling murder rate to a rapidly climbing one, in 2011 PP called an SoE to stop murder. It however stopped the economy and was not sustainable or effective. Since then murders have been rising ever since.

2015- Murders were increasing every month for the year culminating in September. It was then followed by November having the lowest murders in a month for the last 3 years. We can play the statistics game but point is, our problems didnt start Sept 7 2015. The country was disappointed with the successive PNM admins gave UNC a chance. We quickly rejected them and they lost every subsequent election. Now back to PNM, they received their 5 year mandate, relax yourself, criticise them, vote against them in LGE and vote against them in GE whenever it may be.

The Manning admin came in with a flat economy, he triple the GDP but quadrupled the crime. Kamla came in with buoyant economy and high crime, she didnt improve the economy and had negligible impact on crime. Rowley now has to deal with a flat economy and high crime. If Manning got 9yrs and Kamla 5yrs, you dont think Rowley's 9mths is a little too short for you to beat up your beak for?

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[coolfiger]

He makes a good point but 9 months has passed which is not 5 or 9 years in all fairness things take time BUT we are not even seeing a attempt . When some one builds a house you see over time progress on the building first a foundation then a flooring etc until completion. What have we seen in this 9 months that shows us they have attempted or even started to address some of the problems we currently face ? If we have to wait 4 years just to see progress what will the country become before it improves? When do they actually plan to execute all the plans they said they had before elections ?

[zoom rader]

He makes a good point but 9 months has passed which is not 5 or 9 years in all fairness things take time BUT we are not even seeing a attempt . When some one builds a house you see over time progress on the building first a foundation then a flooring etc until completion. What have we seen in this 9 months that shows us they have attempted or even started to address some of the problems we currently face ? If we have to wait 4 years just to see progress what will the country become before it improves? When do they actually plan to execute all the plans they said they had before elections ?

PNM has been concentrating on dismantling the. good social fabric that PP left behind. Bit by bit we are seeing arrogant incompetent ppl hired while ppl that know the job dumped.
The public service was being transform by productive workers and now we are seeing a revert to old system of lazy incompetent PNM type workers.

9mths of PNM and citizens are not benefiting, nothing is being done, not one single achievement.

Yet still we have talk and talk from Maxi fluffy, Stuart little and Matt Dillion

[desifemlove]

habit7, if Rowley don't look to diversify, which is really the solution to problem. and if he don't improve transportation and sheit, he's failed. and it will go on in a cycle for decades, and both sides will accuse each otehr of racism, and who is/was more corrupt, and who is more abusive in Parliament. Maybe it will reverse in 20 years time, UNC MP wil complain about homophobic taunts, and PNM MP will say "hush yuh stink mouth" to a UNC MP cos he was provoked....

and the economic troubles not as bad as they could be, which both Rowley and IMbert saying is true. so then why no delivery? road to valencia not enough, more needed. and getting FOREX from Venezuela not enough, or exporting food to maduro for FOREX not enough, more needed. i know habit7 and the PNM crew gonna balk, but it true.

[Miktay]

habit7, if Rowley don't look to diversify, which is really the solution to problem. and if he don't improve transportation and sheit, he's failed. and it will go on in a cycle for decades, and both sides will accuse each otehr of racism, and who is/was more corrupt, and who is more abusive in Parliament. Maybe it will reverse in 20 years time, UNC MP wil complain about homophobic taunts, and PNM MP will say "hush yuh stink mouth" to a UNC MP cos he was provoked....

and the economic troubles not as bad as they could be, which both Rowley and IMbert saying is true. so then why no delivery? road to valencia not enough, more needed. and getting FOREX from Venezuela not enough, or exporting food to maduro for FOREX not enough, more needed. i know habit7 and the PNM crew gonna balk, but it true.

Diversification by gubbament decree iz largely a myth. It always has been a nancy story fed 2 the uninformed masses by economists, central planners and bureaucrats alike.

[desifemlove]

Also politicizing the issue as if it is something to campaign for your party about is just as outrageous. This is a problem that we have been dealing with for about 15years and if don't address in the multifaceted judicial, social, economic as well as political implications of it, we would continue to point fingers while gangs murdering and domestic disputes turn fatal.

I think most tuners tired of the dohtishness u post. Let me break it down for u....

PP - PAST government that did alot crap hence why they are now the opposition.

PNM - CURRENT Government that are doing the same or even worst as the incumbent and hoping that we don't realise that we in for worst results than we experienced when the pp was in power.

If our current government is not willing and able to do what it takes to bring about progress they are more of a waste than their predecessors. Best they get out as early as possible.

If u can't see that, u need to start closing ur eyes when getting facials from ur PNM superiors.

Let me break it down even further for you.

2001-2010 The PNM won 3 general elections. During their tenure murders skyrocketed in 2008. Their plans put in place before had lag time effects and murder sharply decrease in 2009 and 2010 when PP took over, even kidnappings for ransom became almost 0.

2010-2015 With the promise to solve crime in 120 days the PP failed to live up to promises. After the embarrassment of a reversal of falling murder rate to a rapidly climbing one, in 2011 PP called an SoE to stop murder. It however stopped the economy and was not sustainable or effective. Since then murders have been rising ever since.

2015- Murders were increasing every month for the year culminating in September. It was then followed by November having the lowest murders in a month for the last 3 years. We can play the statistics game but point is, our problems didnt start Sept 7 2015. The country was disappointed with the successive PNM admins gave UNC a chance. We quickly rejected them and they lost every subsequent election. Now back to PNM, they received their 5 year mandate, relax yourself, criticise them, vote against them in LGE and vote against them in GE whenever it may be.

The Manning admin came in with a flat economy, he triple the GDP but quadrupled the crime. Kamla came in with buoyant economy and high crime, she didnt improve the economy and had negligible impact on crime. Rowley now has to deal with a flat economy and high crime. If Manning got 9yrs and Kamla 5yrs, you dont think Rowley's 9mths is a little too short for you to beat up your beak for?

but ent you PNM? both you and your UNC bredren ent done nutten to solve crime? and don't have the balls or intelligence to do it..... politics in this country don't wuk, hence why PNM/UNC and their sycophants make the country have the same economic/social issues from 20 years, and only talk not DO anything about crime or diversifying the economy.

[Habit7]

but ent you PNM? both you and your UNC bredren ent done nutten to solve crime? and don't have the balls or intelligence to do it..... politics in this country don't wuk, hence why PNM/UNC and their sycophants make the country have the same economic/social issues from 20 years, and only talk not DO anything about crime or diversifying the economy.

Well thanks for another "all ah dem bad" post. Just when we thought there was enough, you give us another. Keep trusting on any govt to lower crime.

Last admin, it was PNM fault that "PNM constituencies only murdering each other". Now that PNM constituencies quiet in this admin, Couva and Central having all manner of murder and grenades, is PNM fault that murder still high. It is all reflection of the myopic thinking that point fingers at one entity when several come into play.

Also repeating the need to diversify as if it could be done in one administration also shows your myopia. Diversification can take several years if not decades and there is still no guarantee of success. Suriname and Brazil are pretty diversified and their economies are shrinking faster that ours. Our existing oil and gas economy needs plenty attention before we kick it to the side for hope of green pastures in something else.

[Morpheus]

^^^ the buck stops at the Prime Minister, but his playmates, Maxi fluffy, Stuart little and Matt Dillion letting him down.

[desifemlove]

but ent you PNM? both you and your UNC bredren ent done nutten to solve crime? and don't have the balls or intelligence to do it..... politics in this country don't wuk, hence why PNM/UNC and their sycophants make the country have the same economic/social issues from 20 years, and only talk not DO anything about crime or diversifying the economy.

Well thanks for another "all ah dem bad" post. Just when we thought there was enough, you give us another. Keep trusting on any govt to lower crime.

Last admin, it was PNM fault that "PNM constituencies only murdering each other". Now that PNM constituencies quiet in this admin, Couva and Central having all manner of murder and grenades, is PNM fault that murder still high. It is all reflection of the myopic thinking that point fingers at one entity when several come into play.

Also repeating the need to diversify as if it could be done in one administration also shows your myopia. Diversification can take several years if not decades and there is still no guarantee of success. Suriname and Brazil are pretty diversified and their economies are shrinking faster that ours. Our existing oil and gas economy needs plenty attention before we kick it to the side for hope of green pastures in something else.

and UAE diversified well. Brazil has many factors causing recession, not diversification alone.fact is neither party is or has done what needed to improve. and both are too stubborn to create any consensus, cos they vote based on who looks like them, or who is same religion, or who has British-sounding or Indian-sounding surnames....

i attack both parties cos they have no desire to form the consensus needed for continuity to form. And neither has the balls to take opportunities and build this, de only ting dey does wanna build is dey pocket-lining..

You're correct to say diversification is long-term, but then do you really believe this country's politics can handle it? You blame UNC, but then PNM since 1962 did nothing. PNM under Manning had some good ideas, but didn't get them off the ground well enough. They have good ideas NOW, but then using recession and lack of FOREX and poor oil price as excuse..... jus admit yuh party and the government yuh leader/current PM was a senior member of have screwed up.

[zoom rader]

All this talk, can someone post a recent PNM achievement or kill this ched

[sMASH]

when are the caroni workers gonna get their lands?

[zoom rader]

when are the caroni workers gonna get their lands?

That not important right now, child marriages and blaming hindus for it is. while under age black hen chicken having babies is not important

[sMASH]

they could make pikney right through, but let one decide she want to lock down the father legally, oh noes, she too young.
grandparents are the new parent, now.

[K74T]

Blasted Vashti and Waheeda again

[desifemlove]

when are the caroni workers gonna get their lands?

hhhaaha.... see both an sheit. i dont' feel for dey, sounds bad, but then i sure dey iz UNC members or voters at the least, and what did she do? she had five years, no settlement!! both PNM and UNC screwed them, no one party is to blame, but both will bicker and see who wrong. both are wrong.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

when are the caroni workers gonna get their lands?

hhhaaha.... see both an sheit. i dont' feel for dey, sounds bad, but then i sure dey iz UNC members or voters at the least, and what did she do? she had five years, no settlement!! both PNM and UNC screwed them, no one party is to blame, but both will bicker and see who wrong. both are wrong.

And you are not bickering yourself? So a worker picked a side so that justifies them getting shafted and you don't care?

[desifemlove]

when are the caroni workers gonna get their lands?

hhhaaha.... see both an sheit. i dont' feel for dey, sounds bad, but then i sure dey iz UNC members or voters at the least, and what did she do? she had five years, no settlement!! both PNM and UNC screwed them, no one party is to blame, but both will bicker and see who wrong. both are wrong.

And you are not bickering yourself? So a worker picked a side so that justifies them getting shafted and you don't care?

my only point here is that politics in this country don't work. and how people making this a PNM or UNC iz worse issue when both did sheit to help them.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

when are the caroni workers gonna get their lands?

hhhaaha.... see both an sheit. i dont' feel for dey, sounds bad, but then i sure dey iz UNC members or voters at the least, and what did she do? she had five years, no settlement!! both PNM and UNC screwed them, no one party is to blame, but both will bicker and see who wrong. both are wrong.

And you are not bickering yourself? So a worker picked a side so that justifies them getting shafted and you don't care?

my only point here is that politics in this country don't work. and how people making this a PNM or UNC iz worse issue when both did sheit to help them.

By now everyone gets your point but it's literally the same one several times in a row.

What realistic suggestions do you have to improve things?

[sMASH]

Ey, public servants getting their back pay...at least
Pay the people that work before the sweat dries from their brows

[zoom rader]

PNM plan is to frustrate the injun Caroni worker.

[desifemlove]

PNM plan is to frustrate the injun Caroni worker.

injun frustrate injun then for five years...

[desifemlove]

when are the caroni workers gonna get their lands?

hhhaaha.... see both an sheit. i dont' feel for dey, sounds bad, but then i sure dey iz UNC members or voters at the least, and what did she do? she had five years, no settlement!! both PNM and UNC screwed them, no one party is to blame, but both will bicker and see who wrong. both are wrong.

And you are not bickering yourself? So a worker picked a side so that justifies them getting shafted and you don't care?

my only point here is that politics in this country don't work. and how people making this a PNM or UNC iz worse issue when both did sheit to help them.

By now everyone gets your point but it's literally the same one several times in a row.

What realistic suggestions do you have to improve things?

i would have a root and branch change, and harsh regulations in some areas, lax ones in others.

[De Dragon]

but ent you PNM? both you and your UNC bredren ent done nutten to solve crime? and don't have the balls or intelligence to do it..... politics in this country don't wuk, hence why PNM/UNC and their sycophants make the country have the same economic/social issues from 20 years, and only talk not DO anything about crime or diversifying the economy.

Well thanks for another "all ah dem bad" post. Just when we thought there was enough, you give us another. Keep trusting on any govt to lower crime.

Last admin, it was PNM fault that "PNM constituencies only murdering each other". Now that PNM constituencies quiet in this admin, Couva and Central having all manner of murder and grenades, is PNM fault that murder still high. It is all reflection of the myopic thinking that point fingers at one entity when several come into play.

Also repeating the need to diversify as if it could be done in one administration also shows your myopia. Diversification can take several years if not decades and there is still no guarantee of success. Suriname and Brazil are pretty diversified and their economies are shrinking faster that ours. Our existing oil and gas economy needs plenty attention before we kick it to the side for hope of green pastures in something else.

Criminals not dotish yunno. When Laventille, Beetham get lockdown, they always move into Central to continue their crime knowing fully well that the patrols will stop/ease up and they can move back in. I'm also tired of this "provide solutions" sheit. Misguided people voted for people to provide the solutions, that is what they are getting PAID to do, they not working for thanks, or public service, and NOTHING that is not of PNM origin is going to be taken or implemented by this arrogant bunch of know-it alls. Either implement the solutions or leave the trappings of office if you cannot, its that simple.

[zoom rader]

Habit7 can't even post one PNM achievement.

9 months and nothing to show but an increase in the PNM Murder rate.

Only excuse after excuse and blame Kamlar

[bluespeed]

The only achievement the pnm government has done is caused heart ache to the working class and poor citizens.
Just now ppl will have dual citizenship, trini-uganda

[Habit7]

but ent you PNM? both you and your UNC bredren ent done nutten to solve crime? and don't have the balls or intelligence to do it..... politics in this country don't wuk, hence why PNM/UNC and their sycophants make the country have the same economic/social issues from 20 years, and only talk not DO anything about crime or diversifying the economy.

Well thanks for another "all ah dem bad" post. Just when we thought there was enough, you give us another. Keep trusting on any govt to lower crime.

Last admin, it was PNM fault that "PNM constituencies only murdering each other". Now that PNM constituencies quiet in this admin, Couva and Central having all manner of murder and grenades, is PNM fault that murder still high. It is all reflection of the myopic thinking that point fingers at one entity when several come into play.

Also repeating the need to diversify as if it could be done in one administration also shows your myopia. Diversification can take several years if not decades and there is still no guarantee of success. Suriname and Brazil are pretty diversified and their economies are shrinking faster that ours. Our existing oil and gas economy needs plenty attention before we kick it to the side for hope of green pastures in something else.

Criminals not dotish yunno. When Laventille, Beetham get lockdown, they always move into Central to continue their crime knowing fully well that the patrols will stop/ease up and they can move back in. I'm also tired of this "provide solutions" sheit. Misguided people voted for people to provide the solutions, that is what they are getting PAID to do, they not working for thanks, or public service, and NOTHING that is not of PNM origin is going to be taken or implemented by this arrogant bunch of know-it alls. Either implement the solutions or leave the trappings of office if you cannot, its that simple.

Spoken like a true UNC, when in doubt, blame Laventille and Beetham for crime and eventually come around to blame the PNM.

Laventillians apparently know where to hide the mangroves of Carli Bay to bring in grenades. Or they operating Robocop drug block for him, or they performing hits on various central residents with no evidence of robbery.

For 5 years on tuner you never held Kamla and UNC accountable for crime but after 9 months you find PNM ain't doing anything. Well, rather than give you my opinion, here is the opinion of the US Dept of State:

Elections on September 7 resulted in a new Prime Minister and a new government that appears to be focused on national security, particularly in the areas of crime and counterterrorism. The government continued to cooperate with the United States on security matters, including participation in the U.S. Department of State’s Antiterrorism Assistance program that addresses counterterrorism training for police, and the Caribbean Basin Security Initiative program that focuses on training and the professionalization of the police and military forces in order to ensure citizen security.

www.state.gov/documents/organization/258249.pdf

You posts and ZR's are becoming indiscernible now.

[zoom rader]

^^^explain why we now have a record high PNM Murder rate and counting.

We tried hear from Maxi fluffy, Stuart little and Matt Dillion.

why don't Rowley explain his incompetent minsters and their non ability to handle crime.

[De Dragon]

but ent you PNM? both you and your UNC bredren ent done nutten to solve crime? and don't have the balls or intelligence to do it..... politics in this country don't wuk, hence why PNM/UNC and their sycophants make the country have the same economic/social issues from 20 years, and only talk not DO anything about crime or diversifying the economy.

Well thanks for another "all ah dem bad" post. Just when we thought there was enough, you give us another. Keep trusting on any govt to lower crime.

Last admin, it was PNM fault that "PNM constituencies only murdering each other". Now that PNM constituencies quiet in this admin, Couva and Central having all manner of murder and grenades, is PNM fault that murder still high. It is all reflection of the myopic thinking that point fingers at one entity when several come into play.

Also repeating the need to diversify as if it could be done in one administration also shows your myopia. Diversification can take several years if not decades and there is still no guarantee of success. Suriname and Brazil are pretty diversified and their economies are shrinking faster that ours. Our existing oil and gas economy needs plenty attention before we kick it to the side for hope of green pastures in something else.

Criminals not dotish yunno. When Laventille, Beetham get lockdown, they always move into Central to continue their crime knowing fully well that the patrols will stop/ease up and they can move back in. I'm also tired of this "provide solutions" sheit. Misguided people voted for people to provide the solutions, that is what they are getting PAID to do, they not working for thanks, or public service, and NOTHING that is not of PNM origin is going to be taken or implemented by this arrogant bunch of know-it alls. Either implement the solutions or leave the trappings of office if you cannot, its that simple.

Spoken like a true UNC, when in doubt, blame Laventille and Beetham for crime and eventually come around to blame the PNM.

Laventillians apparently know where to hide the mangroves of Carli Bay to bring in grenades. Or they operating Robocop drug block for him, or they performing hits on various central residents with no evidence of robbery.

For 5 years on tuner you never held Kamla and UNC accountable for crime but after 9 months you find PNM ain't doing anything. Well, rather than give you my opinion, here is the opinion of the US Dept of State:

Elections on September 7 resulted in a new Prime Minister and a new government that appears to be focused on national security, particularly in the areas of crime and counterterrorism. The government continued to cooperate with the United States on security matters, including participation in the U.S. Department of State’s Antiterrorism Assistance program that addresses counterterrorism training for police, and the Caribbean Basin Security Initiative program that focuses on training and the professionalization of the police and military forces in order to ensure citizen security.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/258249.pdf

You posts and ZR's are becoming indiscernible now.

Yet hundreds "deading" You real have belly to come here and post that when it flies squarely in the face of reality. Of course you'll "educate" us on when is the appropriate time to be concerned right?

[zoom rader]

Habit7 is now on parr with the likes of Maxi fluffy, Stuart little and Matt Dillion.

9 months of PNM and nothing to show but blame Kamla and attack the Hindu community on child marriages while not dealing with under 16yrs old having kids .