Official E-Cig and Vape / Vaping Discussion

[i100herak]

Quality and men bringing juice from China? RIDE OUT

Men rather amateurs mix their own and possibly OD than men get the stuff frm experienced guys. Ive OD'd on stuff from men who posting above when 18mg was all they brought, and still continue to push that BS and bawl mix with Vg.

At the end of the day, think of your customers and profit will follow, if you do the opposite doh cry "mixing in lab" when nobody wanna buy your poor quality sheit.

YOUR SURE RIGHT..!!!!!!!

[i100herak]

Don't really know why people hating if a company importing flavoring and nicotine base for the consumer to mix their own juices. Won't it be cheaper at the end of the day? how hard is it to really mix your own e-juice? all you need is nicotine base, flavoring and a e-juice calculator. People will save than paying up to $75 per 30ml of so call hand crafted juice. With nicotine base and flavoring it working out to be cheaper than $50 . Are you all not up for cheaper prices and when you are mixing know that you are doing your own juice?

DUHHHH

QUESTION!!!
WHAT MG NICOTINE YOU BRINGING IN... ???

[ECIGTT]

i will PM you the info. Don't want mods say i advertising

[i100herak]

EXPERIENCE IN LIFE MY FRIEND IS A CERTAINTY !!!! YOU DONT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS.. SO DONT INCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT... MIXING IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS IT SEEMS...FYI... IT TAKES EXPERIENCE...
YOU ARE SETTING UP ALL VAPERS TO GET A BAD NAME. YOU CANNOT GIVE A NOVICE NICOTINE TO MIX!!!! THEY WILL SURELY GET NIC POISONING...
CUZ FOR SURE THEY WOULD TRY TO VAPE IMMEDIATELY. AND IF NOT DONE PROPERLY THEY ARE HEADED FOR THE HOSPITAL
IF IT TOUCHES YOUR SKIN ALSO.. IT WOULD BE ABSORBED IMMEDIATELY

[cheese pie]

http://www.vapemoar.com/ and done?

[ECIGTT]

FYI its not 100% Nicotine its nicotine base. Do you know what a nicotine base is? the base will be 70%VG/30%PG in strength of 3mg and 6mg. Just add flavoring, sweeteners and VAPE.

[i100herak]

ECIG IM NOT WAR-ING YOU.. BUT AS A CUSTOMER YOU DISAPPOINTED ME. AND I HATE WHEN YOU BASH ON A START UP GUY!!!
I AM SURE IF YOU TALK TO THE MAN PROPERLY I AM SURE YOU OTHER SELLERS CAN GET TO A GOOD AGREEMENT ALSO... SUPPORT THE LOCAL GUYS WHO HAVE GOOD PRODUCTS... NOW IF THE MAN SET UP A LAB... YOU STILL GONNA BASH ON HIM...YOU GUYS BEHAVING LIKE PEOPLE FROM LIBERIA!!!!
I WILL CONTACT THE LOCAL GUYS. I WILL BUILD A LAB WITH THEM.. LETS SEE WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD DO NOW....

FELLOW VAPERS I WILL DO A LAB WITH THE 2 LOCAL GUYS AND WE WILL DO IT BY THE FDA STANDARDS... SUPPORT US!!!!!

MR TITAN VAPES AND MR VAPEOLOGIST IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN MY PROPOSAL... PLEASE MSG ME..
LETS TAKE THIS SHIITTT TO ANOTHER LEVEL.. WE CAN GO UP WITH THESE BIG SUPPLIES AND SELLERS IN THE STATES..
AND HAVE PEOPLE VAPE AT DECENT PRICES AND SUPPORT THE VAPE COMMUNITY WITH GOOD EJUICE!!!

[ECIGTT]

its not we bashing anyone. All i am trying to say and other ecig suppliers to support me on this is stop mixing and selling. Sell the nicotine base and flavoring and let the customers mix their flavors for themselves. Mixing locally and selling without supporting documents is what will cause the ecig industry to be shut down for unsafe practice. If you dont believe what i am saying then search up the Tobacco Control Unit. They are in charge of up coming regulations in Trinidad and Tobago in regards to ecigs and e-liquid here.

[Trini Hookah]

Look and bull sheit. ecigtt will never change a battery for a person 5 times. Seems you my father or someone for we to be liking you so much to change a battery five times. On a second exchange we would ban you from purchasing from us. Simple like that. sorry you spent THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS at ecigtt. What you want a fig now?

So you would actually ban a customer? Lol

[i100herak]

its not we bashing anyone. All i am trying to say and other ecig suppliers to support me on this is stop mixing and selling. Sell the nicotine base and flavoring and let the customers mix their flavors for themselves. Mixing locally and selling without supporting documents is what will cause the ecig industry to be shut down for unsafe practice. If you dont believe what i am saying then search up the Tobacco Control Unit. They are in charge of up coming regulations in Trinidad and Tobago in regards to ecigs and e-liquid here.

UNDERSTOOD NO PROBLEM..
well help us as local suppliers also.. you do well with your company.... why not invest in us the local guys who create our stuff instead of supporting those outside countries!!
dont you think if the local guys have enough money to have all these issues clarified, we would do it according to certain practices?
we try our best to have standards my friend... me as a diyer.. i have a controlled room that i do my mixing... in all accordance to the fda!!!
but the bad part is that it is on a small platform..
FYI i would rather see TNT HAVE A GOOD BRAND OF JUICE TO give those bigger companies a run.

ECIGG IF YOU WANT TO SQUASH THIS CHILDISH BICKERING.. TRY HELPING US TO HAVE SUPPORTING CREDENTIALS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM..

[ECIGTT]

We have had instances in the past that required us to ban a customer. Meaning customer was told not to purchase from us again. If they purchase from us they do so at their own risk as we wont honor their warranty. When purchasing from us there is an agreement that is to be signed when purchasing kits.

for instance there was a customer i can recall purchase a starter kit and using a 14 volt cigarette outlet in his truck to charge the unit - This resulted in battery damaged , replacement was issued and customer went back doing the same thing as he admitted to. Customer was told ones more don't use the socket and he want on again and came back for a replacement. Customer was then ban - customer info taken down and entered in our blacklist database.

[ECIGTT]

i don't mind supporting local and maybe having a local supplier but certification is surly needed. We may have up coming meetings with the government soon and i will advise further on the outcome. Presently we are fighting hard to not have them implement regulations that will restrict flavors down to just tobacco and menthol. If they do that we all doom.

[i100herak]

i don't mind supporting local and maybe having a local supplier but certification is surly needed. We may have up coming meetings with the government soon and i will advise further on the outcome. Presently we are fighting hard to not have them implement regulations that will restrict flavors down to just tobacco and menthol. If they do that we all doom.

this is understandable...
but you also think about it... most of the people who sell in the states do the same like us. THATS WHERE ALL THESE GUYS STARTED.
for example mt baker they started in their kitchen or so. they only recently got certification.
CUZ IF A DIYER HEARS HIS /HER JUICE IS GOOD AND PEOPLE OFFER TO PAY FOR SOME ML'S TO TRY, ITS NOT A PROBLEM. CUZ AT THE END OF THE DAY WE PAY FOR OUR INGREDIENTS AND ITS NOT CHEAP ALSO. hope u see my point!!!!

[i100herak]

FDA.... ACTUALLY MEANS NOTHING ALSO!!!.. if you dig up to the point i have researched ... most fda approved companies pay for their stamp... we all know about cleanliness my friend... and all experienced diyers like myself and the 2 top local hand craft guys know you need a controlled dark room for ejuice to set. and when handling nicotine its a must to use gloves..
cuz take a look at this for example jagdesh.... a simple bottle of spacejam you sell for $80-90 15ml. actual cost is
$8-12usd x6.5(tt exchange rate).. say around $78 converted.. and thats for 15ml... now all space jam flavors i have duplicated to the exact amount... and i can give it away in 15ml batches for $25-$40 because of prices for the ingredients. people would rather take this option than buying the ones from the states.. it taste exactly the same in every way. its in a controlled environment. the only thing is a stupid FDA stamp which i dont have. most products in TnT dont even past Fda standards and we buy those stuff every single day... and you know its true... im sure u eat kfc!!!! they do not follow the international standards that kfc stipulated.. research it also... but we still buy and eat it... those guys near ur area ALI BBQ what assurance u have that they are selling quality? they have a food badge head coverings and thats it... no gloves most times and they serve food with flies buzzing around... ALL restaurants do that here in TnT.. try our juices and you will see what the big deal is about...
IF YOU AND THE GUYS IN THE MALLS CAN SELL OUR STUFF WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS. YOU MAKE we make and vapers have good quality ejuice at more reasonable prices than imports !!!! im not dogging that you want to bring your diy batches also. but diy is not as easy as most people say. cuz u will try to mimic a taste and it comes out weird you would give up after awhile.. some people get it some dont.

YOU,VAPOURONE, ISLANDVAPES VAPERLOT JUSTVAPES AND THE OTHERS SHOULD WORK AND PROMOTE OUR LOCAL STUFF AND BE PROUD ITS MADE RIGHT HERE IN TNT.. OUR STUFF IS WAY BETTER THAT THOSE IMPORTS.... VISIT US AND YOU WILL SEE WHY PEOPLE CHECK US.. YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS AFTER THAT

[i100herak]

yes we need certification....DON'T GET ME WRONG ALSO ... but do you think dumaurier broadyway and dunhill would let us step into this territory easy... NO!!! they will fight us hard and play nasty... cuz we all know that we give up cigs to vape.. and its healthier..
the main culprit is the tobacco company.. they are the ones who fighting against us. so we have to stop the B.S.. SUPPORT OUR SELVES and show people that there is a better way than smoking cigsss!!!!!
this is the basis that all of us started vaping anyways.. to get off of cigs.. not fuuucccckkkiing up fellow vapers.. so GENTLE MEN A TRUCE SHOULD BE CALLED AMONGST US VAPERS...

[i100herak]

IF I AM WRONG TELL ME THAT I AM....

[VAPERLOT]

My comments are geared to all those who buy "local" but in particular Mr i100herak .. As you seem to the be avid DIY'er in the crowd and an avid supporter of locally "hand crafted" liquids.. maybe you can share some info that will help others who dont support, .. understand why you would (cough*risk) entrust someone to make something that you will ingest. .. rather than use up your CAPs getting all excited. CAPs dont grow on trees yuh know

Feel free to QUOTE and splice in your Response. I would love to hear from Rollingstock as he seems to have a comment on every subject and speaks highly of his DIY'er liquids.

With the confidence you guys have shown in these guys liquids, im sure you guys can answers these questions quite easily to give others some understanding. All of these are valid questions that you should know. Maybe with some straight up answers folks will take yal seriously.

Q&A:-
1- Do you vape eliquid with 0mg (zero nicotine) ?

2- If you do vape liquids with nicotine... what nicotine do you use ??
(Im not asking the strength.. im asking where do you get the nicotine.. website name/brand/manufacturer).

3-What criteria do you have per purchasing your nicotine ?
(what makes these guys (online) nicotine the one you buy?)

4-What strength nicotine is your base fluid prior to mixing ?

5
-What nicotine does Titan use? (question 3)
-What nicotine does Vapeologist use? (question 3)
-What nicotine does TriniVapes use ? (question 3)

6-When purchasing flavouring, what do you base your choice on?
Im asking about the Flavour Base you choose to buy/use.
You must have an order of priority for selecting.. be it a popular or nice flav.. PG/VG base ? or otherwise?

7- When you buy (if you buy) premium imported eliquid.. what do you base your selection on ?
Cost? Brand? flavours??

8- You mentioned that you guys can pool up and construct a lab. Can you give a ball-park figure what you think an adequate laboratory would cost?

9- What are the key components required for bottle labeling and is this done locally ?

10 - How do you, Titan, Vapologist and the rest of them... fill bottles?

11- i100herak .. you said you "have a control room in all accordance to fda "..
- Which FDA are you speaking about ? USA or Trinidad ??
- What measures have you put in place for this to be called a control room??
- What equipment & guidelines in particular are you conforming to ??

12- You said that the local guys have years of experience..
-What experience does Titan have?
-What experience does Vapeologist have?
-What experience does TriniVapes have ?
(years as... lab assistant? chemist? food and beverage?)

[rollingstock]

Lol a whole heap of beat-up in here.
BTW Vapeologist don't make his own liquids.

I've previously bought from all the local sellers of liquids and honestly customer service goes a long way. When I need 'premium' liquids my go to guy is Grim.

[VAPERLOT]

Lol a whole heap of beat-up in here.
BTW Vapeologist don't make his own liquids.

I've previously bought from all the local sellers of liquids and honestly customer service goes a long way. When I need 'premium' liquids my go to guy is Grim.

Sooo... by "beat-up" ... you mean.. you dont know ??
just fair questions being asked.. yal have made a point so we're asking to explain... but seat of the pants explanations dont really cut it if you re making recommendations to people to buy something to ingest that may potentially be harmful ... ( or not.. )

Unless you really just dont have a clue and the honest answer is you dont really care what you are vaping because it's cheap and you prefer to vape cheap.. then that's understandable too... not everyone can drive a bimmer or awdee .. heck i dont.

[rollingstock]

Lol, all I get is someone trying to garner information about a competitor. Not my place to answer those questions, and I don't have the answer to all.

And if I did I wouldn't pass that information to you. You're not the same person that made the big stink when ecig brought in space jam and proceeded to sully his name and state is was imitation from China and that it couldn't be sold at that low a price? Deny it if you like.

[vapourone]

I100herak or titan vapes . Come to the.ministry meeting and we will all find out what's the procedure for your home made juice . Don't you think we the companies would of think about this and do it ? We not against you . If for some reason your products cause a breakout or contamination and it makes news. First thing govt will say ban all ecig and that's the reality for us dealers . Thays why we prefer import from certified labs . So show us something credible and we can all sing "koom by yàaa"

[VAPERLOT]

Lol, all I get is someone trying to garner information about a competitor. Not my place to answer those questions, and I don't have the answer to all.

And if I did I wouldn't pass that information to you. You're not the same person that made the big stink when ecig brought in space jam and proceeded to sully his name and state is was imitation from China and that it couldn't be sold at that low a price? Deny it if you like.

Firstly.. those guys are not our competitors. They cater to a totally different demographic and believe me.. there is nothing they have that we want or care for in the slightest. We go beyond even those others who import premium juices. Not all of them are made equally.. and you have to know what brand is worth importing from a safety standpoint because there are many US brands who are full of horse doodoo as well. For us, It's not just a matter choosing the prettiest label online or who has the biggest hype.. we go a bit further into it with things such as chemical analysis and blah blah.. We boast 20+ years oil and gas industry chemical engineering.. we know our $h!ii☆. We even have a 10 yr HSE manager on our staff who audits companies like BPTT etc.. so.. clearly.. these guys are not in our league so we arnt asking to "garner information about a competitor" but to protect youtube'ers like yourself FROM yourself.

You wouldn't come out and say that you have no idea what you are vaping.. you guys don't know the level on detail that is required to produce something for public consumption. Someone was comparing Mom n Pop's food vendors to e-liquid DYI's but it's not comparing apples to apples. You're likely to get the runs and some gastrointestinal infection from a bad roti ..... that's way different to collapsing a lung or meningitis.

Here's an example of what you pay for when you buy "real" premium and not "local hand crafted"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihvE8OE8oI0

[rollingstock]

Mamoo u had buy the Cleito?

Cleito

Nah bought the herakles plus instead.
Loving it great flavor, coil lasts really long too.
Can't go wrong for $240

[Trini Hookah]

Hope wasnt u that bought the last one eh.

[rollingstock]

Nah I left 3 more on the shelf.
Eleaf Pico coming soon, can't wait.

[WarrLordd]

All this beat up and none ah allyuh giving free samples :p Any who idk what to say na fellas they do bring in some valid points regardless if you support it or not. The way I see it is that the tobacco board is looking for any little excuse to ban or regulate ecigs and if someone gets sick or decides to lie about getting sick from using homemade eliquid that's being sold would cause a hell storm for us and we the users would be harm not any suppliers they just would move along so regardless allyuh got issue with one another talk to your suppliers and get something done

[VAPERLOT]

All this beat up and none ah allyuh giving free samples :p Any who idk what to say na fellas they do bring in some valid points regardless if you support it or not. The way I see it is that the tobacco board is looking for any little excuse to ban or regulate ecigs and if someone gets sick or decides to lie about getting sick from using homemade eliquid that's being sold would cause a hell storm for us and we the users would be harm not any suppliers they just would move along so regardless allyuh got issue with one another talk to your suppliers and get something done

Thanks for your objective reply. We, collectively are trying to protect the industry but taking in front rather than allowing them to just make up any BS regulations that would allow WITCO free reign. 2 very high level directors with WITCO troll our Facebook page frequently so they are very aware of the ecig market and are paying attention to it. If the TUC makes some BS set of regs that locks down the market.. remember WITCO has alot more money that all of us put together.. they can easily have it swung in their favour.

My questions above are geared to teach you all what is important and what to look out for and why you should be worried... but all I'm getting for feedback is unconstructive garble.

[VAPERLOT]

Nah I left 3 more on the shelf.
Eleaf Pico coming soon, can't wait.

Rollingstock... what batteries are you using? I've noticed you are a little sore about small mods doing hi-wattage.

I'm vaping super low at 0.05 ohms at 110 to 120w from 7 am to about 4pm daily without issue with a dual reg box. We also have the new new Sigelei Spark that is a single 18650 that does 90w and I get 2 days from mine.

[rollingstock]

Nah I left 3 more on the shelf.
Eleaf Pico coming soon, can't wait.

Rollingstock... what batteries are you using? I've noticed you are a little sore about small mods doing hi-wattage.

I'm vaping super low at 0.05 ohms at 110 to 120w from 7 am to about 4pm daily without issue with a dual reg box. We also have the new new Sigelei Spark that is a single 18650 that does 90w and I get 2 days from mine.

I'm not sure what you mean by sore about small mods doing high wattage? I'm wary of sellers who have limited knowledge about vaping and putting customers in dangerous situations. Met someone recently that get taken by a fancy radio ad and bought an aspire kit, saw me vaping and decided to ask some advice. He was getting a burnt taste, the salesperson didn't prime his coil before installing, and his battery would be reading above half but he wasn't getting a proper hit, apparently it was a 10A battery. Good thing it was a regulated mod and not a mech.

Daily use are an eleaf 100w with a pair of Samsung 25r powering an eleaf Melo 2 (.3 ohm coil) max wattage used is 40w.
Next is an eleaf 100w tc with a pair of LG he4 powering a herakles plus (.4 ohm coil) max wattage 50w.

I don't like hot vapor and my choice of mods are for battery life not power hence the dual parallel mods and not a series mod.

[VAPERLOT]

Nah I left 3 more on the shelf.
Eleaf Pico coming soon, can't wait.

Rollingstock... what batteries are you using? I've noticed you are a little sore about small mods doing hi-wattage.

I'm vaping super low at 0.05 ohms at 110 to 120w from 7 am to about 4pm daily without issue with a dual reg box. We also have the new new Sigelei Spark that is a single 18650 that does 90w and I get 2 days from mine.

I'm not sure what you mean by sore about small mods doing high wattage? I'm wary of sellers who have limited knowledge about vaping and putting customers in dangerous situations. Met someone recently that get taken by a fancy radio ad and bought an aspire kit, saw me vaping and decided to ask some advice. He was getting a burnt taste, the salesperson didn't prime his coil before installing, and his battery would be reading above half but he wasn't getting a proper hit, apparently it was a 10A battery. Good thing it was a regulated mod and not a mech.

Daily use are an eleaf 100w with a pair of Samsung 25r powering an eleaf Melo 2 (.3 ohm coil) max wattage used is 40w.
Next is an eleaf 100w tc with a pair of LG he4 powering a herakles plus (.4 ohm coil) max wattage 50w.

I don't like hot vapor and my choice of mods are for battery life not power hence the dual parallel mods and not a series mod.

That's just ga'dang irresponsible to sell a man a sub ohm device with a 10 amp battery regulated or not. Their staff are very green...pretty clueless and they've pipsin' on some of my guys trying to get knowledgable employees.

You can't even trust buying batteries online because they're cloned and rewrapped so much.... so unless your 1000% Sure they're originals.. Forget about it.

What colour are your Samsung 25r? ? Green or baby blue ??

.... check us if you game... we can sort you with a set of proper batts. 40ac/60pk 3000 mAh.. no BS. Run them for a week.. and if you don't like them....no problem.. money back with some free crap... only catch.. I ain't going looking for yuh so... when yuh in town.