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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby Advent » January 19th, 2016, 3:03 pm

MD Marketers wrote:
instantfrugality wrote:your "reality" is dependent on how you "perceive" it. your question i believe is improperly phrased.

Ok.
Let me rephrase it.
Does reality exist regardless of your awareness of it?

Does reality "Exist" Objectively YES
regardless Awareness of it YES

Now the thing is the reality for humans is a total fabrication done by our brains. so what reality really looks like or really is we will never be able to comprehend with our V1 brains.

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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby bluesclues » January 19th, 2016, 5:33 pm

Advent wrote:
MD Marketers wrote:
instantfrugality wrote:your "reality" is dependent on how you "perceive" it. your question i believe is improperly phrased.

Ok.
Let me rephrase it.
Does reality exist regardless of your awareness of it?

Does reality "Exist" Objectively YES
regardless Awareness of it YES

Now the thing is the reality for humans is a total fabrication done by our brains. so what reality really looks like or really is we will never be able to comprehend with our V1 brains.


nice. so the true image of reality is skewed by our perception. where our perception is guided by our senses. the sensors we have to utilize to obtain data from a variety of spectrums. if our sensors are limited, then we will have a limited perception of reality.

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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby rspann » January 19th, 2016, 6:17 pm

That does not change reality,because perception of reality (skewed or otherwise) is not reality.

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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby Advent » January 20th, 2016, 11:09 am

bluesclues wrote:
Advent wrote:
MD Marketers wrote:
instantfrugality wrote:your "reality" is dependent on how you "perceive" it. your question i believe is improperly phrased.

Ok.
Let me rephrase it.
Does reality exist regardless of your awareness of it?

Does reality "Exist" Objectively YES
regardless Awareness of it YES

Now the thing is the reality for humans is a total fabrication done by our brains. so what reality really looks like or really is we will never be able to comprehend with our V1 brains.


nice. so the true image of reality is skewed by our perception. where our perception is guided by our senses. the sensors we have to utilize to obtain data from a variety of spectrums. if our sensors are limited, then we will have a limited perception of reality.


I wouldnt say our sensors are limited, but have evolved to fit into a certain spectrum
rspann wrote:That does not change reality,because perception of reality (skewed or otherwise) is not reality.

thats what we said tho :?

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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby The Paleontologist » January 20th, 2016, 12:04 pm

If a tree falls in a forest with no one around, does it make a sound?

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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby MD Marketers » January 20th, 2016, 7:13 pm

Advent wrote:
MD Marketers wrote:
instantfrugality wrote:your "reality" is dependent on how you "perceive" it. your question i believe is improperly phrased.

Ok.
Let me rephrase it.
Does reality exist regardless of your awareness of it?

Does reality "Exist" Objectively YES
regardless Awareness of it YES

Now the thing is the reality for humans is a total fabrication done by our brains. so what reality really looks like or really is we will never be able to comprehend with our V1 brains.

Firstly you can never really prove what reality looks like outside of your perception, because the instant you prove anything it becomes part of your perception.
The very act of trying to prove it alone requires you to not be self aware up until the point it has been proven.
When you wake from that state to get the answer you will be back to reality and whoever is giving you the information is going to be part of your self awareness.

The question itself is a stupid question. It was posted to show the absurdity of the claim.
I honestly did not expect people to defend it, simply because they couldn't have possible figured it out unless they were guessing.

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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby rspann » January 20th, 2016, 9:42 pm

Clowns yes,when I told you that you tried to sheit me up,but now when you saying the same thing I said ,I find your response edited/deleted. The problem with your question was that the person who put it on " the thinking atheist " forum bumbled through a thought process that was flawed and you put it here without going through it, only to realize it was nonsense after. That is why you had to delete your answer to my post . You thenTry to save face by pretending that you did it on purpose.You even copied the mistake of using "exists" instead of exist.
Also ,show me where I spoke about dividing by zero. You guys using googled topics on philosophy to try to look bright but can't even understand the simplest points. Anyhow ,as the old saying goes,if you can't dazzle them with brilliance you must baffle them with bu llshit.

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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby rspann » January 20th, 2016, 10:01 pm

chulo45 wrote:If a tree falls in a forest with no one around, does it make a sound?

The kinetic energy of the falling tree is transformed into sound energy partly ,so it does make noise. There is just nobody to hear it. If nobody is there but there is a tape recorder,you can replay it after the tree has fallen and there will be evidence that there was a sound at the time it fell.

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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby rspann » January 20th, 2016, 10:09 pm

There was a response to the person who asked that question on the forum,"agnostic Shane". It was,"You are no philosopher,you are simply a stubborn ,ignorant solipsist.

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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby Advent » January 21st, 2016, 6:44 am

MD Marketers wrote:
Advent wrote:
MD Marketers wrote:
instantfrugality wrote:your "reality" is dependent on how you "perceive" it. your question i believe is improperly phrased.

Ok.
Let me rephrase it.
Does reality exist regardless of your awareness of it?

Does reality "Exist" Objectively YES
regardless Awareness of it YES

Now the thing is the reality for humans is a total fabrication done by our brains. so what reality really looks like or really is we will never be able to comprehend with our V1 brains.

Firstly you can never really prove what reality looks like outside of your perception, because the instant you prove anything it becomes part of your perception.
The very act of trying to prove it alone requires you to not be self aware up until the point it has been proven.
When you wake from that state to get the answer you will be back to reality and whoever is giving you the information is going to be part of your self awareness.

The question itself is a stupid question. It was posted to show the absurdity of the claim.
I honestly did not expect people to defend it, simply because they couldn't have possible figured it out unless they were guessing.


So youre saying that even though our sun radiates white light and not the yellow orange we see is just our perception and not actually the frequency it radiates on the electromagnetic spectrum?

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Re: Does my reality exists regardless of how I perceive it?

Postby MD Marketers » January 21st, 2016, 2:39 pm

Advent wrote:
MD Marketers wrote:
Advent wrote:
MD Marketers wrote:
instantfrugality wrote:your "reality" is dependent on how you "perceive" it. your question i believe is improperly phrased.

Ok.
Let me rephrase it.
Does reality exist regardless of your awareness of it?

Does reality "Exist" Objectively YES
regardless Awareness of it YES

Now the thing is the reality for humans is a total fabrication done by our brains. so what reality really looks like or really is we will never be able to comprehend with our V1 brains.

Firstly you can never really prove what reality looks like outside of your perception, because the instant you prove anything it becomes part of your perception.
The very act of trying to prove it alone requires you to not be self aware up until the point it has been proven.
When you wake from that state to get the answer you will be back to reality and whoever is giving you the information is going to be part of your self awareness.

The question itself is a stupid question. It was posted to show the absurdity of the claim.
I honestly did not expect people to defend it, simply because they couldn't have possible figured it out unless they were guessing.


So youre saying that even though our sun radiates white light and not the yellow orange we see is just our perception and not actually the frequency it radiates on the electromagnetic spectrum?

I'm not speaking about the way we perceive things through one medium. I am speaking about all forms of perception, which includes thought & scientific testing and any and everything YOU will ever PERSONALLY experienced in the past present & future of YOUR OWN consciousness.
Outside of this we can never know reality.
If you plan on becoming omniscient soon then I might have to retract my statement

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