90 million to refurbish Brian Lara Stadium

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Wait, what going on with that new state of the art licensing office in Caroni?

Shouldn't that be a much bigger priority than this Brian Lara stadium?

[j.o.e]

Wait, what going on with that new state of the art licensing office in Caroni?

Shouldn't that be a much bigger priority than this Brian Lara stadium?

That was discussed in amputee presentation .... The Caroni licensing office was supposed to be one of many satellite sites to implement new Motor Vehicle Authority . Entire budget was used on the Caroni building

[DVSTT]

Wait, what going on with that new state of the art licensing office in Caroni?

Shouldn't that be a much bigger priority than this Brian Lara stadium?

Didn't they need to pass some legislation for that?

[Dizzy28]

Awaits Habit7 to defend another bag ah PNM chit

So the stadium must not be finished and made possibly the largest sports revenue earner for the govt?

For the first time in a long time I on ZR here....why did this stadium go from 200m to 1 billion all under your beloved PM as line minister for Udecott??

With regard to cost, it seemed clear that the original estimate given in February 2005 in the sum of $272m was unrepresentative of the building which subsequently came to be designed and put out to tender. As noted in Section 23 below, the likely overall costs will have escalated some 2½ times. Part of this is accounted for by events and circumstances which were not foreseen at the date of the original estimate; however, a major part of the cost escalation must be attributed to the development of the design of the Stadium. While this was, from the outset, to be designated as "world class", the early decision to bring in internationally renowned designers seems to have been taken as an indication that there would be no constraint on the design. The roof design eventually adopted was needlessly costly, inappropriate and should not have been approved. An additional element of excessive cost arose from the needless overdesign of the steel structure in the absence of proper design information. In retrospect there is no good reason why a much more simple and cost effective design could not have been adopted, similar to that used for the existing stadia at Manny Ramjohn, Larry Gomes and Dwight Yorke Stadium at Bacelot, Tobago. UDeCOTT
should have drawn this to the attention of the Government at a time when a review of the design was still feasible.

http://www.jcc.org.tt/uffreport.pdf

Basically Cabinet then went to sleep and allowed a billion dollar mistake??

[BRZ]

Awaits Habit7 to defend another bag ah PNM chit

So the stadium must not be finished and made possibly the largest sports revenue earner for the govt?

For the first time in a long time I on ZR here....why did this stadium go from 200m to 1 billion all under your beloved PM as line minister for Udecott??

With regard to cost, it seemed clear that the original estimate given in February 2005 in the sum of $272m was unrepresentative of the building which subsequently came to be designed and put out to tender. As noted in Section 23 below, the likely overall costs will have escalated some 2½ times. Part of this is accounted for by events and circumstances which were not foreseen at the date of the original estimate; however, a major part of the cost escalation must be attributed to the development of the design of the Stadium. While this was, from the outset, to be designated as "world class", the early decision to bring in internationally renowned designers seems to have been taken as an indication that there would be no constraint on the design. The roof design eventually adopted was needlessly costly, inappropriate and should not have been approved. An additional element of excessive cost arose from the needless overdesign of the steel structure in the absence of proper design information. In retrospect there is no good reason why a much more simple and cost effective design could not have been adopted, similar to that used for the existing stadia at Manny Ramjohn, Larry Gomes and Dwight Yorke Stadium at Bacelot, Tobago. UDeCOTT
should have drawn this to the attention of the Government at a time when a review of the design was still feasible.

http://www.jcc.org.tt/uffreport.pdf

Basically Cabinet then went to sleep and allowed a billion dollar mistake??

Or maybe all of them received a $30K, to hush they stink mouth and turn a blind eye?

All OUR politicians we currently have are cut from the same cloth, same thieves, just different colors and textures.................

[BRZ]

Awaits Habit7 to defend another bag ah PNM chit

So the stadium must not be finished and made possibly the largest sports revenue earner for the govt?

For the first time in a long time I on ZR here....why did this stadium go from 200m to 1 billion all under your beloved PM as line minister for Udecott??

With regard to cost, it seemed clear that the original estimate given in February 2005 in the sum of $272m was unrepresentative of the building which subsequently came to be designed and put out to tender. As noted in Section 23 below, the likely overall costs will have escalated some 2½ times. Part of this is accounted for by events and circumstances which were not foreseen at the date of the original estimate; however, a major part of the cost escalation must be attributed to the development of the design of the Stadium. While this was, from the outset, to be designated as "world class", the early decision to bring in internationally renowned designers seems to have been taken as an indication that there would be no constraint on the design. The roof design eventually adopted was needlessly costly, inappropriate and should not have been approved. An additional element of excessive cost arose from the needless overdesign of the steel structure in the absence of proper design information. In retrospect there is no good reason why a much more simple and cost effective design could not have been adopted, similar to that used for the existing stadia at Manny Ramjohn, Larry Gomes and Dwight Yorke Stadium at Bacelot, Tobago. UDeCOTT
should have drawn this to the attention of the Government at a time when a review of the design was still feasible.

http://www.jcc.org.tt/uffreport.pdf

Basically Cabinet then went to sleep and allowed a billion dollar mistake??

Or maybe all of them received a $30K, to hush they stink mouth and turn a blind eye?

All OUR politicians we currently have are cut from the same cloth, same thieves, just different colors and textures.................

[shake d livin wake d dead]

So daz why deh taxing we MC so..

[1UZFE]

Kwame is pleased.

[Spitfir3]

nice to see our priorities in order
have fun sleeping on the hospital floor gents

[forgeniebob]

Just break thst thing down. 90 million and you know there will be cost over runs. Give the people their back pay

[Habit7]

nice to see our priorities in order
have fun sleeping on the hospital floor gents

Priorities are the 50 extra beds just added to Mt Hope and satisfying the current staff/equipment/drug shortages at all existing hospitals before we spend millions opening another one to repeat the same problem.

Just break thst thing down. 90 million and you know there will be cost over runs. Give the people their back pay

$90m is just 1% of the $7b owed to workers. Don't hold your breath.

[j.o.e]

Brian Lara Stadium should've been completed BEFORE National Tennis Centre, Cycling Velodrome, Aquatic Centre....that's not a political statement. I just think as a country we will struggle to utilize those last three.
I am hopeful though that we can attract some international athletes/teams to train at the facilities

[antlind]

Brian Lara Stadium should've been completed BEFORE National Tennis Centre, Cycling Velodrome, Aquatic Centre....that's not a political statement. I just think as a country we will struggle to utilize those last three.
I am hopeful though that we can attract some international athletes/teams to train at the facilities

We have a bunch of politicians who want to play on the world stage by building these grand facilities without factoring in the ongoing maintenance costs. While as citizens we have to live with substandard hospitals, schools, roads etc. And this is not a PNM UNC statement because they are both the same.....different idiots same confused and misguided agendas.

[BRZ]

Brian Lara Stadium should've been completed BEFORE National Tennis Centre, Cycling Velodrome, Aquatic Centre....that's not a political statement. I just think as a country we will struggle to utilize those last three.
I am hopeful though that we can attract some international athletes/teams to train at the facilities

We have a bunch of politicians who want to play on the world stage by building these grand facilities without factoring in the ongoing maintenance costs. While as citizens we have to live with substandard hospitals, schools, roads etc. And this is not a PNM UNC statement because they are both the same.....different idiots same confused and misguided agendas.

That couples with the Fact that in order to host international events we also are short on Hotel rooms and Proper Transportation to such venues.
As usual BOTH governments always putting the KART before the fr1gging donkey.
Same thing with Highway CAMERAS, they installed them yet there is NOT proper Legislation to govern them and you cannot be charged.

[Les Bain]

All these accomplishments being attended to by the last 2 governments of gum bumpers yet jaywalking, littering and noise pollution via music pirates is STILL an issue in the capital city.

[sMASH]

Why wasn't that stadium put to use after being built?

[matix]

Because of poorly done work. A lot of failed inspections, no functioning safety systems,faulty electrical, vandalism, theft.

[Rovin]

economy slowing down badly , ppl getting laid off , regular mthly govt workers being told d previous govt tief out all $ so we eh have to pay allyuh , population being told to tighten u belt & eat cassava , a million other urgent problems + we in d middle of recession [that they finally admit] , cut this\that & d next , everything being scaled back or cancelled but it suddenly have 90 mil available & is a urgent priority to fix a stadium that gonna get use once in a while ... how cud any logical thinking person justify this BS ? ....

coming up soon\next - rapid rail

where all d pressure groups & lobbyist who use to be in news every wk - all dem in hibernation or they got bought out or they approve all d crap that going on so they quiet now ......

[BRZ]

People NEED to PUT aside political Alliance and ROOTS type behaviors and STAND UP for their COUNTRY And whats BEST for OUR future.

Only then can we put pressure on whichever government is in power.

[racedriverpro]

Rain doh like international cricket in Trinidad so waste of time and 1% of we back pay.

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[Advent]

As it stands the stadium is like the F35 program, best to finish and done, even though it costs an arm and leg

[Habit7]

It's called stimulating the economy by construction. USA did it in their recession in 2008. We did it 2011-2012 and we going to do it this year. Deal with it.

[sMASH]

Stimulate it by finishing the highway, and staffing the new hospital, and paying the back pay allowing more money to circulate in the local economy.


If that stadium gets a big gig once a month, where would that revenue go? It would allow some people to have an income such as grounds men, electrical, security, doubles men nuts men. But compared to staffing a hospital and significantly shortening commuting times from pt. Fortain to sando, u get more bang for the buck.

But, that highway was we highway now, the hospital was we hospital now, and the stadium and the rapid tram are red and ready.

I can appreciate theft, not stupidity.

[X2]

It will 'cost' more than 90mm to finish/refurb that stadium.... but WHY ?

Just give it to motorsport and DONE !

[Rory Phoulorie]

It's called stimulating the economy by construction. USA did it in their recession in 2008. We did it 2011-2012 and we going to do it this year. Deal with it.

But isn't this going against what the government wanted with respect to letting the private sector stimulate the construction sector rather than the state? Perhaps they should have considered a modified Build, Own, Operate, Transfer model to get the stadium completed.

[BoxEater]

pnm priorities in order.... bun children hospital

that stadium is being built for pnm supporters.... when pnm ppl sick they normally go on the road and take a sweat.... whether it be football, unprotected sex in a shack or running from police....

when pnm children sick, the parents would take them to the stadium and because of its magnitude and sophistication, the children will be instantly cured....

[Habit7]

Sando Paediatric Unit 52% used
Wendy Fitzwilliam Paediatric Hospital 70% used
POS Paediatric Unit <100% used

http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/DEYA ... &smobile=y



Priority is supporting the underutilized paediatric units in the country. No child is being deprived of proper health care. The hospital can be finished while Tarouba Stadium is as well. No reason why we can't walk and whistle.

[cinco]

Sando Paediatric Unit 52% used
Wendy Fitzwilliam Paediatric Hospital 70% used
POS Paediatric Unit <100% used

http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/DEYA ... &smobile=y



Priority is supporting the underutilized paediatric units in the country. No child is being deprived of proper health care. The hospital can be finished while Tarouba Stadium is as well. No reason why we can't walk and whistle.

What's tell percentage usage of all the other stadiums in the country

[Dizzy28]

Sando Paediatric Unit 52% used
Wendy Fitzwilliam Paediatric Hospital 70% used
POS Paediatric Unit <100% used

http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/DEYA ... &smobile=y



Priority is supporting the underutilized paediatric units in the country. No child is being deprived of proper health care. The hospital can be finished while Tarouba Stadium is as well. No reason why we can't walk and whistle.

What is the real benefit of the Brian Lara Stadium??

The QPO is underutilized
The UWI Frank Worrell Field underutilized
Guaracara Park underutilized
That's our three first class grounds outside of the Cricket Centre in Balmain.

Given our time zone we would never get big international tournaments outside of an ICC mandated one. There is no potential to have the BLS earn any significant sums of money.

But I guess since it's a PNM idea it is sound and rational.

[PariaMan]

Sando Paediatric Unit 52% used
Wendy Fitzwilliam Paediatric Hospital 70% used
POS Paediatric Unit <100% used

http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/DEYA ... &smobile=y



Priority is supporting the underutilized paediatric units in the country. No child is being deprived of proper health care. The hospital can be finished while Tarouba Stadium is as well. No reason why we can't walk and whistle.

What's tell percentage usage of all the other stadiums in the country

How do you calculate the % use of a stadium to say that it is underutilised .

Regional cricket is being played Tobago , QPO, UWI Spec and National Cricket Centre.