ISIS in T&T?

[zoom rader]

i have a suggestion.

fire this fool

You know citizens cannot be denied entry into thier own country.

That is not true a trini citizen name Stokely Carmichael was barred from entering trini by the PNM.

Incorrect. Carmichael became a US citizen at the age of 13 in 1954.

Lots of Trinis are US citizens.
Still no need to banned a son of the soil, US passport holder or not.

[boxy]

i have a suggestion.

fire this fool

You know citizens cannot be denied entry into thier own country.

That is not true a trini citizen name Stokely Carmichael was barred from entering trini by the PNM.

Incorrect. Carmichael became a US citizen at the age of 13 in 1954.

Waits for ZR's justification and come back with bated breath.

[EmilioA]

i have a suggestion.

fire this fool

You know citizens cannot be denied entry into thier own country.

That is not true a trini citizen name Stokely Carmichael was barred from entering trini by the PNM.

Incorrect. Carmichael became a US citizen at the age of 13 in 1954.

Lots of Trinis are US citizens.
Still no need to banned a son of the soil, US passport holder or not.

I eh know what point you trying to make. Carmichael was no longer a Trinidadian citizen. He was an American.

My point is that citizens of a country cannot be banned from entering that country. Which blues clues seemed not to know.

[bluesclues]

i have a suggestion.

fire this fool

You know citizens cannot be denied entry into thier own country.

That is not true a trini citizen name Stokely Carmichael was barred from entering trini by the PNM.

Incorrect. Carmichael became a US citizen at the age of 13 in 1954.

Lots of Trinis are US citizens.
Still no need to banned a son of the soil, US passport holder or not.

I eh know what point you trying to make. Carmichael was no longer a Trinidadian citizen. He was an American.

My point is that citizens of a country cannot be banned from entering that country. Which blues clues seemed not to know.

sigh. an excuse to inaction. u working as the national security minister. u telling me, u cannot come up with a legislation to deal with militants returning to trinidad? just let them through the airport? and furthermore, send out a international message to the world that they are welcome to return and will most likely face no repurcussion even up to the point when they launch the trinidadcentric wave?

a stronger message need be sent. all returning should be considered suspect planning to carry out terror plots on our soil. jail them, lose the key and barr the media. we can also announce that their citizenship will be renounced all who leave to fight in syria with isis.

i would take it we've been through these common sense options already and decided they were no good so decided to do nothing and report about it?

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

^ What do you expect? every Minister of National Security in the history of this country has been a massive joke. No surprise the current one is equally clueless and useless.

[Redman]

The simple fact is that the minister responded properly...based on law.

The state can't pick up any one unless a law has been broken.

[Chimera]

Lol if them fellas come back here, a setta masked police gonna kidnap them and next thing they know they waking up in a us jail

[EmilioA]

sigh. an excuse to inaction. u working as the national security minister. u telling me, u cannot come up with a legislation to deal with militants returning to trinidad? just let them through the airport? and furthermore, send out a international message to the world that they are welcome to return and will most likely face no repurcussion even up to the point when they launch the trinidadcentric wave?

a stronger message need be sent. all returning should be considered suspect planning to carry out terror plots on our soil. jail them, lose the key and barr the media. we can also announce that their citizenship will be renounced all who leave to fight in syria with isis.

i would take it we've been through these common sense options already and decided they were no good so decided to do nothing and report about it?

Trinidad and Tobago Constitution

S.5(2)

Without prejudice to subsection (1), but subject to this Chapter and to section 54, Parliament may not—
(a) authorise or effect the arbitrary detention, imprisonment or exile of any person;
(b) impose or authorise the imposition of cruel and unusual treatment or punishment;
(c) deprive a person who has been arrested or detained—
(i) of the right to be informed promptly and with sufficient particularity of the reason for his arrest or detention;
(ii) of the right to retain and instruct without delay a legal adviser of his own choice and to hold communication with him;
(iii) of the right to be brought promptly before an appropriate judicial authority;
(iv) of the remedy by way of habeas corpus for the determination of the validity of his detention and for his release if the detention is not lawful;


(e) deprive a person of the right to a fair hearing in accordance with the principles of fundamental
justice for the determination of his rights and obligations;
(f) deprive a person charged with a criminal offence of the right—
(i) to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law, but this shall not invalidate a law by reason only that the law imposes on any such person the burden of proving particular facts;


So legislation to do what ? Remove the TT Bill of Rights ?

Lol if them fellas come back here, a setta masked police gonna kidnap them and next thing they know they waking up in a us jail

This may really end up being the practical outcome.

[Redman]

So this open source warfare is the dynamic that needs to be addressed.
ISIS is just the best marketed and most topical participant in several warS...whose sides are happy to have conscripts from all over the world coming and willing to fight.

3+ years ago the problem in Libya was that so many foreigners were coming in that the centralized authorities could not control their forces.
So it was just one big mosh pit...albeit with Aks grenades,missiles and of course a bunch of technicals..Hilux FTW.

Lets face it...given the social,economic and future prospects here in sweet TnT...much less in the harsher places in the world...if you ask 100 young men to go and have an adventure,be part of something,get a gun,shoot down planes etc etc etc...how many will say yes?
sheit at 17...I might have said hell yeah.
Just like the recruitment posters for any state military.

if we are to make legislation ...what is the infraction??
is ISIS specifically to be made illegal? or foreign warfare in general??

If so the 'freedom', fighters in Libya,Iraq,Afghanistan,Israel/Palestine,Syria and the multiple conflicts of different sizes throught Africa,Asia et al are breaking the law too??

It would then be illegal for our citizens to join foreign armies?
What of Medics in ISIS..?

Whats their crime?

[bluesclues]

sigh. an excuse to inaction. u working as the national security minister. u telling me, u cannot come up with a legislation to deal with militants returning to trinidad? just let them through the airport? and furthermore, send out a international message to the world that they are welcome to return and will most likely face no repurcussion even up to the point when they launch the trinidadcentric wave?

a stronger message need be sent. all returning should be considered suspect planning to carry out terror plots on our soil. jail them, lose the key and barr the media. we can also announce that their citizenship will be renounced all who leave to fight in syria with isis.

i would take it we've been through these common sense options already and decided they were no good so decided to do nothing and report about it?

Trinidad and Tobago Constitution

S.5(2)

Without prejudice to subsection (1), but subject to this Chapter and to section 54, Parliament may not—
(a) authorise or effect the arbitrary detention, imprisonment or exile of any person;
(b) impose or authorise the imposition of cruel and unusual treatment or punishment;
(c) deprive a person who has been arrested or detained—
(i) of the right to be informed promptly and with sufficient particularity of the reason for his arrest or detention;
(ii) of the right to retain and instruct without delay a legal adviser of his own choice and to hold communication with him;
(iii) of the right to be brought promptly before an appropriate judicial authority;
(iv) of the remedy by way of habeas corpus for the determination of the validity of his detention and for his release if the detention is not lawful;


(e) deprive a person of the right to a fair hearing in accordance with the principles of fundamental
justice for the determination of his rights and obligations;
(f) deprive a person charged with a criminal offence of the right—
(i) to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law, but this shall not invalidate a law by reason only that the law imposes on any such person the burden of proving particular facts;


So legislation to do what ? Remove the TT Bill of Rights ?

Lol if them fellas come back here, a setta masked police gonna kidnap them and next thing they know they waking up in a us jail

This may really end up being the practical outcome.

absolutely not. legislation can surely be crafted in a way that agrees with the bill of rights but also caters for 'extreme' circumstances.

redman i have a feeling u repeating what someone tell u to say there. but either way, there is more to government than what u see in the public. the law also caters for that but it is not normal citizenry knowledge. sometimes, things have to get done... get done. yes i repeated get done on purpose.

i say it is as simple as 123 in our case. define terrorism in our legislation, label it a crime, take all the names and photos from international sources as they are supplied. all in foreign found fighting with isis labelled international criminals. lodge the data with customs and immigration.

now all returning terrorists will face immediate detention upon stepping on our soil, international authorities are then called to come and pick them up.

really is that so hard and unconstitutional?

they better figure it out because if and when isis comes here, they not going to be 'voting pnm' if u know what i mean.

wah goin on.. faris blocking and bawling the law cant do that to his people?
lol
as a minister in this country i expect him to be a patriot and defender of our soil. not of his religion. such decisions are not to be left to his personal sympathies. he has 1.3million ppl to protect and he better get it right. unless he is expecting isis to accept his, 'descendant of mohammed' and help him overthrow the country and install caliphate.

i expect mr farris to defend democracy. and this what we should all expect of him.

[16 cycles]

how to fight against sleeper cells already embedded in the country with ready access to funds and arms from day to day illegal activities?

[bluesclues]

So this open source warfare is the dynamic that needs to be addressed.
ISIS is just the best marketed and most topical participant in several warS...whose sides are happy to have conscripts from all over the world coming and willing to fight.

3+ years ago the problem in Libya was that so many foreigners were coming in that the centralized authorities could not control their forces.
So it was just one big mosh pit...albeit with Aks grenades,missiles and of course a bunch of technicals..Hilux FTW.

Lets face it...given the social,economic and future prospects here in sweet TnT...much less in the harsher places in the world...if you ask 100 young men to go and have an adventure,be part of something,get a gun,shoot down planes etc etc etc...how many will say yes?
sheit at 17...I might have said hell yeah.
Just like the recruitment posters for any state military.

if we are to make legislation ...what is the infraction??
is ISIS specifically to be made illegal? or foreign warfare in general??

If so the 'freedom', fighters in Libya,Iraq,Afghanistan,Israel/Palestine,Syria and the multiple conflicts of different sizes throught Africa,Asia et al are breaking the law too??

It would then be illegal for our citizens to join foreign armies?
What of Medics in ISIS..?

Whats their crime?

excuse me? i sense isis sympathetic tone? a freedom fighter is a freedom fighter. a savage barbarian is a savage barbarian. the world is fighting these types not only in the middleeast but in africa too. using rape as a tool of war and other heinous acts within war to demonstrate savagery and instill fear. making brother have sex with sister or father with daughter in front the rest of the family. killing women and children and raping babies to death.

u really want to be sympathetic to this kind of behaviour?

dont even try and play the medic card. u taking your medical training to leave your home country to go and help terrorists survive to fight another day? really. i am certain there are certain conditions that must be met for a doctor to claim obedience to the oath. for instance. if ur a doctor and someone runs into your personal home with a gun shot wound. u cant just patch them up and send them on their way without making a police report. is jail!

who is dat behind u dey redman? u sound like u have a good posse of noobs shooshooing with you but not very thought out responses. as in my previous post. my recommendations will simply act as a deterrent to isis returnees and who will possibly be bringing some isis friends along for the ride.

the point is to set up the right public legal framework that sends a clear message that 'you are not welcome to return here and if you do u going to face many 'inconveniences'. security isnt always just about running out and shooting pow pow. psychology and strategy is the major part of any military organisation. the rest is down to the proficiency of its members.

but from how u talking it really sound like farris cokblock the NSM and so he had to go on news and say 'we eh doin nothing bout the isis threat we just gone close we eye and bury we head in the sand and hope they dont see we'

i may have had no issue with it except that.. 'they already see we'. so i think a 'too late for that' is in order.

[Redman]

Whey...
My position remains....the minister is correct by saying that nothing in LAW stops an ISIS fighter from coming home.
To the extent that he has broken local or international laws he will be dealt with accordingly.

So point out where the minister is factually wrong in what he said....and frankly what else needs to be said.


If as you suggesting we were to change the law....I agree...change it.
Just do it properly and with a broader scope than just ISIS.

The fact is that this type of conflict will continue....the names,causes and location will change.

So how are we legislating that?

excuse me? i sense isis sympathetic tone? a freedom fighter is a freedom fighter. a savage barbarian is a savage barbarian.

No sympathy..
At least you consistent in your inaccuracy...That takes talent.
Frankly I would lose ZERO sleep over every member of ISIS being rolled over by some military action, they went there to be martyred.... I say lets help them with that.
The reality is that we will have people leaving to go somewhere and fight.....officially and unofficially.

the world is fighting these types not only in the middleeast but in africa too. using rape as a tool of war and other heinous acts within war to demonstrate savagery and instill fear. making brother have sex with sister or father with daughter in front the rest of the family. killing women and children and raping babies to death.

Sure persecute any one for war crimes.

As the ICC knows it eh that simple.

but what you talking about exists, as a party to the Geneva Convention TnT is already committed to persecution of war crimes..in 1963 we signed and its been ratified since.

So you tell me how you BluesClues will prosecute X trini for committing Y war crime in Z country.


and be specific...since you so sure about what you generalizing about.

redman i have a feeling u repeating what someone tell u to say there

I have a feeling that you are the only person with an original thought.
...

[bluesclues]

a broader scope only if u wish to complicate things. it should be isis-centric in design. also temporary like a 5-10 years period before it ends or needs to be renewed. one does not have to commit a war crime, they need only be part of a party committing a war crime. aiding and abetting a terrorist organisation. the point is, if they do come back, the legal framework must prevent them from just waltzing unto our streets comfortable. the legislation is not hard to craft.

its not what the NSM said, its that he had to say what he said at all and it be considered news. indeed what he said was legally accurate. however more couldve been said on the steps they would be taking, investigating methods of legislature to properly filter nationals returning from fighting with isis. come on man i have to write pnm speeches and the legislation for them?

being very serious here. this is what it comes off to me ass.

boss comes and ask you for a report. and your report is.. 'it have nothing to report'. really man. take a hint. the reason why you being asked about it is because people are concerned and want you to be doing something about it. noone ask for what is the law regarding it. they want to hear u on the ball. and it really didnt sound like it.

[sMASH]

Redman is correct.

[The_Honourable]

Was doing a search earlier about ISIS in T&T on google and i found the following article. It's controversial no doubt but it's hard to ignore for non-muslims. I actually remembered RASC, pioneer and bluesclues a bit when I read this. This article also shows the "5 stages of Islam" (google it). T&T is named in the stats below:

As Muslim population grows, what can happen to a society?

What happens to society's as the Muslim population grows in percentage of the total?

In the book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, written by Dr. Peter Hammond, he explores the topic of the impact that an increasing Muslim population has on that society. The lists below illustrate the Muslim population status of countries around the world, and exactly what changes to the societies can be expected according to Hammond. The book as well as the author are controversial, but the topic is definitely something that needs to be explored and understood. From the book:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/as-musl ... -a-society

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

http://wired868.com/2015/11/15/the-batt ... ould-care/

Of all the photos following ISIS’s horrendous assault on Paris, among the most moving are those of the long lines of people waiting to donate blood outside hospitals where the wounded had been taken.

There’s a good chance that among them were persons of Islamic faith standing in line to share the blood of life with their fellow French men and women.


Photo: Paris is in mourning after terrorist attacks on Friday November 13.
(Copyright AFP 2015/Kenzo Tribouilard)

More likely, though, were the many more French Muslims who were longing to but didn’t dare join the line for fear of public reprisal.

The ostracism of entire groups that results from the fear sparked by the actions of a few is not an alien experience for us. There are Muslims among us who still remember the pain of social rejection in the immediate aftermath of the Jamaat-al-Muslimeen’s violent assault on the state in 1990.

It is an open question how much of that old pain and anger has fuelled the unfathomable willingness of some 150-plus Trinidadians, including entire families and professionals, to join the terrorist organisation known as ISIS.

Responding to the inevitable wave of heightened bigotry against Muslims following Friday night’s ISIS massacre in Paris, several commentators were at pains to point out that more Muslims than any other group have died at the hands of Islamic extremists such as Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and ISIS.

In Iraq and Syria, Muslims are being plowed down by the thousands as ISIS expands its hold on conquered territory, even as they are caught in the crosshairs of western artillery aimed against ISIS.


Photo: The ISIS army waves its flags.
(Copyright IBTimes)

At times like these, when our hearts bleed for the many innocents who were cut down as they enjoyed dinner, watched a football match or danced to heavy metal rock, it is easy to seek refuge in the fundamentalism of absolutes that blinds us to the often variegated colours of truth.

It makes our lives easier to control when we can navigate by the rules of absolutism, especially an absolutism empowered by divine sanction that spares us the responsibility of thought.

In today’s world, ISIS is merely one of the most potent modern expressions of the politics that cloaks itself in the power of divine right to justify its actions and commandeer people committed to their faith. The war with ISIS is thus the 21st century sequel to the Holy Wars which have for centuries shaped and reshaped Europe and the Middle East.

As it has been throughout history, wherever religion provides a tactical advantage to political ambition it is co-opted with single-minded ruthlessness, sweeping up all in its path.

This ancient war continues unabated because almost every solution applied has merely succeeded in sowing several new problems. The situation has been amplified and speeded up by the technological solutions developed in military laboratories that have found their way into the mainstream and into the hands that are now recruiting young lives to ISIS’ cause.

"In this battle, there are no safe spaces, even for little islands like our own. As networked into the global system of money and mayhem as anybody else, we are there for the pickings if anyone so chooses to make an example of us."

With the globalisation of this ancient war, we cannot afford to linger on in the old role as bystanders. We need to get busy on our own business in understanding the forces that are driving our young people to risk death in Syria and the elements here at home that are part of the global network of war.

Twenty five years ago, we were all sitting ducks when guns were opened inside the Parliament, Police headquarters was bombed and the lone TV station was hijacked. Like France, we too had been warned but when the day came, many of us, too, were comfortably watching a football match at the stadium.

On a per capita basis, the body count that we suffered on July 27, 1990 was significantly higher than that of France on Friday night. And yet, given daily experience, it would require more than a leap of faith to believe that between then and now, the Defence Force and the Police Service are in any better shape to detect and pre-empt a terror attack on T&T soil.


Photo: A soldier searches for a car bomb in the immediate aftermath of the July 27 attempted coup in Port of Spain.
(Copyright Trinidad Guardian)

If anything, the situation has been exacerbated by the expedient and expensive alliances that have been struck between politicians and criminal elements pledged to one religious group or another.

This is the consequence of politics that have failed to ground itself in real representation of people and in which gang leaders have assumed the role of substitute MPs in exchange for a piece of the pie.

In this war between militant Islam and the West, we are involved whether we like it or not.

After he sends his condolences to the people of France, Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley should summon his top security people for a full intelligence report on the human traffic between T&T and ISIS. He also needs to find out exactly what is happening in the Muslim community and the impulses that are luring our people to battle on ISIS’ side, both on the battlefield and in the energy industry.

In this, the entire Muslim community will be an important ally.

He might discover that the same forces that are driving our people into ISIS’ arms are also those that are making them easy prey for drug lords and gun runners.

About The Author
Sunity Maharaj is a journalist with 38 years of experience and the managing director of the Lloyd Best Institute of the West Indies. She is a former Trinidad Express editor in chief and TV6 head of news.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

When trinis leave here to go join ISIS here is a little sample of what they are going to do

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nfire.html

The minister of national security of this country just says its fine for them to return because nothing in the law prevents them from returning and he goes on his merry way, what has this man done so far to change any of this? I sense he don't give a sheit just like all other ministers before him, sending the police out for carnival is more important after all. Whatever happens to this country when these fellas return is not his problem I guess.

[Redman]

I think you expect all ministers to be verbose....the only way the state can sanction any one is by law.

Any thing else is that the GORTT outlaw the association with ISIS....with or without an INDIVIDUAL committing an illegal act,your advice is to convict and jail them......for being part of an organization that is killing people for being part of the wrong association(faith/religion).

So now we have precedent for the GORTT to grandfather any law and make it retroactively illegal.

sounds pretty much like doing the same as ISIS

[sMASH]

Most of u seek vengeance. State laws need to execute justice.

[Slartibartfast]

Trinidad and Tobago Constitution

S.5(2)

Without prejudice to subsection (1), but subject to this Chapter and to section 54, Parliament may not—
(a) authorise or effect the arbitrary detention, imprisonment or exile of any person;

arbitrary
adjective
1.
based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

This means that they need a reason and system for exiling.

Reason - Joined international terrorist group and suspected of returning to promote said group and ideals within country.

Now all they need to do is develop a system to ensure that the proceedings are free from prejudice. Notice there was no mention of race, class, sex or religion here. I don't see how this goes against our constitution. Also... constitutional amendments are apparently a thing.

[EmilioA]

absolutely not. legislation can surely be crafted in a way that agrees with the bill of rights but also caters for 'extreme' circumstances.

i say it is as simple as 123 in our case. define terrorism in our legislation, label it a crime, take all the names and photos from international sources as they are supplied. all in foreign found fighting with isis labelled international criminals. lodge the data with customs and immigration.

now all returning terrorists will face immediate detention upon stepping on our soil, international authorities are then called to come and pick them up.

really is that so hard and unconstitutional?
.

Its unconstitutional becuase you have left out the part where the ACCUSED appears in COURT where the state has to PROVE his guilt . Or we throwing people in jail without trial now ?

After all we dont want someone to photoshop some pics of bluesclues in Syria and next thing you know bluesclues get deported.

Trinidad and Tobago Constitution
S.5(2)
Without prejudice to subsection (1), but subject to this Chapter and to section 54, Parliament may not—
(a) authorise or effect the arbitrary detention, imprisonment or exile of any person;

arbitrary
adjective
1.
based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

This means that they need a reason and system for exiling.

Reason - Joined international terrorist group and suspected of returning to promote said group and ideals within country.
Now all they need to do is develop a system to ensure that the proceedings are free from prejudice. Notice there was no mention of race, class, sex or religion here. I don't see how this goes against our constitution. Also... constitutional amendments are apparently a thing.

Arbitrary in legal terminology means the means the person was punished without trial. So the proceedings part you mentioned is the important thing.

Reason - Joined international terrorist group and suspected of returning to promote said group and ideals within country.

Also we dont punish people based on "suspected". The State has to have a trial and prove guilt.

[Chimera]

on a serious serious note

wha allyuh think about isis and that football match against the usa later

[bluesclues]

When trinis leave here to go join ISIS here is a little sample of what they are going to do

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nfire.html

The minister of national security of this country just says its fine for them to return because nothing in the law prevents them from returning and he goes on his merry way, what has this man done so far to change any of this? I sense he don't give a sheit just like all other ministers before him, sending the police out for carnival is more important after all. Whatever happens to this country when these fellas return is not his problem I guess.

thank you very much for seeing my point and extrapolating on it.

and thank you Dr. Keith Rowley for finally making a decently meaningful statement. now.. what are they going to do. im not sure i can just go and work as a consultant for national security regarding religious matters. or can i.

[bluesclues]

absolutely not. legislation can surely be crafted in a way that agrees with the bill of rights but also caters for 'extreme' circumstances.

i say it is as simple as 123 in our case. define terrorism in our legislation, label it a crime, take all the names and photos from international sources as they are supplied. all in foreign found fighting with isis labelled international criminals. lodge the data with customs and immigration.

now all returning terrorists will face immediate detention upon stepping on our soil, international authorities are then called to come and pick them up.

really is that so hard and unconstitutional?
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Its unconstitutional becuase you have left out the part where the ACCUSED appears in COURT where the state has to PROVE his guilt . Or we throwing people in jail without trial now ?

After all we dont want someone to photoshop some pics of bluesclues in Syria and next thing you know bluesclues get deported.

Trinidad and Tobago Constitution
S.5(2)
Without prejudice to subsection (1), but subject to this Chapter and to section 54, Parliament may not—
(a) authorise or effect the arbitrary detention, imprisonment or exile of any person;

arbitrary
adjective
1.
based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

This means that they need a reason and system for exiling.

Reason - Joined international terrorist group and suspected of returning to promote said group and ideals within country.
Now all they need to do is develop a system to ensure that the proceedings are free from prejudice. Notice there was no mention of race, class, sex or religion here. I don't see how this goes against our constitution. Also... constitutional amendments are apparently a thing.

Arbitrary in legal terminology means the means the person was punished without trial. So the proceedings part you mentioned is the important thing.

Reason - Joined international terrorist group and suspected of returning to promote said group and ideals within country.

Also we dont punish people based on "suspected". The State has to have a trial and prove guilt.

look a fella with a head on his shoulders. the thing is i also know its possible and how to craft the legislation. but i find i shoildnt have to spoonfeed everything to the pnm. there are things i couldve said to redman as well but i truly prefer to keep my opinions regarding tactical law private for the time being.

as someone who has worked as a paralegal researcher i can agree you have done all the proper interpretation regarding this. it is easy as i said and u would find no contradiction... to detend aiders and abetters, and ship them to the relevant authorities under the UN and NATO charter. now that france is activating clause 5 as america did for afghanistan, that is going to make things even easier for UN countries to trade information on international criminals.. terrorist. a terrorist should be wanted in all countries for a barbaric crime committed in any one of them. this is grounds enough to at least make an arrest. it means the creature will not be out among the public and precedes the need for military intervention.

see what happen to france. well they got hit with their pants down. probably a bit too cocky. now they are utterly enraged, i would think not just because they got hit, but because of why they got hit and the fact that all their intelligence agencies failed them in averting the situation. its embarrassing for them.

the legislation which already active in the UK. which i already knew when i was speaking to redman can easily adapted here. it is not very far from the anti-gang legislation. in fact.. its worse, and so can employ harsher penalties as well.

[Redman]

it musbe cool 'knowing' what people already said.

Original concept.

[j.o.e]

on a serious serious note

wha allyuh think about isis and that football match against the usa later

funny you should bring that up....I got an uneasy feeling and gave up my tickets. And i consider myself far from the overly cautious or panicky type. While we don't have a history of such occurrences, this is the perfect event/timing if there ever was.




could do without the parking hassle too

[cornfused]

How does a TnT national wanting to join ISIS get the funding for the ticket and travel money ?

Who is purchasing tickets for those areas and who is paying ?

As said before legislation could be developed to stop such members from entering TnT.

[j.o.e]

How does a TnT national wanting to join ISIS get the funding for the ticket and travel money ?

Who is purchasing tickets for those areas and who is paying ?

As said before legislation could be developed to stop such members from entering TnT.

Good luck framing that legislation...even UN would not support a law which denies a person entry to their home country based on their affiliation or perceived affiliation with an organization....and if you think about it that is a very slippery slope.

[EmilioA]

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look a fella with a head on his shoulders. the thing is i also know its possible and how to craft the legislation. but i find i shoildnt have to spoonfeed everything to the pnm. there are things i couldve said to redman as well but i truly prefer to keep my opinions regarding tactical law private for the time being.

as someone who has worked as a paralegal researcher i can agree you have done all the proper interpretation regarding this. it is easy as i said and u would find no contradiction... to detend aiders and abetters, and ship them to the relevant authorities under the UN and NATO charter. now that france is activating clause 5 as america did for afghanistan, that is going to make things even easier for UN countries to trade information on international criminals.. terrorist. a terrorist should be wanted in all countries for a barbaric crime committed in any one of them. this is grounds enough to at least make an arrest. it means the creature will not be out among the public and precedes the need for military intervention.

l.

Ahem

ship them to the relevant authorities under the UN and NATO charter

Please list what authorities you are referring to. Im curious to know when NATO and the UN got judicial powers.