the right to bear arms

[Slartibartfast]

....Ok

[shogun]

Shotguns for all.

Well look chubble.

[DVSTT]

Just give people the choice to have them legally without a set of red tape crap, but have laws in place with a proper division for dealing with shootings, when innocent people have used them in justified suit actions then to hell with the victim, no case life goes on, in cases where the firearm holder has used in bad judgment or a moment of haste then prosecute them in a timely manner. What's the problem?

Because our law enforcement record is impeccable.

[sMASH]

Exactly .

[desifemlove]

nobody needs guns. bar shooting ranges, what? prevent burglaries? won't say even dis de biggest crime issue at hand, so how dat gonna help?

trinis tink freedom without the requisite responsibility.....and don't use de USA as an example. Trinidad is de jungle, and we couldn't handle mass gun ownership. america has obvious gun issues, but they have 200 plus years of gun ownership and the culture/history to back it up. knowing trinis/de jungle mindset, i can see people buying guns and popin off people who doh hold door open for them, doh say "good morning", give dem wrong change in de store, and other such grand offronts...

[Slartibartfast]

What do you mean by "we"

DSI 88sins ah have yuh back

[desifemlove]

Trinis are unsophisticated. The usa can handle gun ownership. Trinis cannot.

But we complain about glass bottles being banned at carnival, about banning tint on cars, and then how hunting ban is oppressive. In light of these, do trinis deserve guns?

[88sins]

Trinidad is de jungle, and we couldn't handle mass gun ownership.

If you keep thinking backwards, you will keep moving backwards

[Slartibartfast]

It rhymes so you know it's true

[Redman]

nobody needs guns. bar shooting ranges, what? prevent burglaries? won't say even dis de biggest crime issue at hand, so how dat gonna help?

trinis tink freedom without the requisite responsibility.....and don't use de USA as an example. Trinidad is de jungle, and we couldn't handle mass gun ownership. america has obvious gun issues, but they have 200 plus years of gun ownership and the culture/history to back it up. knowing trinis/de jungle mindset, i can see people buying guns and popin off people who doh hold door open for them, doh say "good morning", give dem wrong change in de store, and other such grand offronts...

No one has said mass ownership...and WE have advocated exactly the opposite...freedom WITH the responsibility to deserve the privilege.

[Slartibartfast]

No one has said mass ownership...and WE have advocated exactly the opposite...freedom WITH the responsibility to deserve the privilege.

Those last few words speak volumes. Well put.

[src1983]

nobody needs guns. bar shooting ranges, what? prevent burglaries? won't say even dis de biggest crime issue at hand, so how dat gonna help?

trinis tink freedom without the requisite responsibility.....and don't use de USA as an example. Trinidad is de jungle, and we couldn't handle mass gun ownership. america has obvious gun issues, but they have 200 plus years of gun ownership and the culture/history to back it up. knowing trinis/de jungle mindset, i can see people buying guns and popin off people who doh hold door open for them, doh say "good morning", give dem wrong change in de store, and other such grand offronts...

If these are the kind of characters in your neighbourhood I suggest you move, because from your description they seem incapable of having a kitchen knife. There are a lot of responsible people in Trinidad and responsible gun owners.

Your statement is so idiotic it is really hard to come up with a response, but I will try my best

Just because you don't think you need guns doesn't mean others do. We have been held up 8 times, with each time being worse than the other. You cannot always count on security as they like police take time to reach my closest station is 30 mins away. If you asked me 20 years ago I would say guns are not necessary unless a farmer, but from experience it is something that is needed by small business people today

Legal gun control is easy

Start with a clean database done by private independent company
Register all legal guns with Ballistic fingerprinting and adjust laws to include bullet marking
Every gun must be inspected every year
Every gun owner must do a certain amount of Arms Training each year

There are many more areas that can be included, but I'm not a gun expert

At the same time National Security/Coast Guard should be actively cracking down on illegal weapons.

[*KRONIK*]

^^^

/[thread]

[sMASH]

Not yet.
I want to find out about the gun used in the recent murder/suicide . If the firearm was legally the murderer's or not.

[src1983]

Not yet.
I want to find out about the gun used in the recent murder/suicide . If the firearm was legally the murderer's or not.

What about the many others committed by Cutlass and Pesticide. Should we ban these too?

[DVSTT]

Not yet.
I want to find out about the gun used in the recent murder/suicide . If the firearm was legally the murderer's or not.

What about the many others committed by Cutlass and Pesticide. Should we ban these too?

Lol

[desifemlove]

nobody needs guns. bar shooting ranges, what? prevent burglaries? won't say even dis de biggest crime issue at hand, so how dat gonna help?

trinis tink freedom without the requisite responsibility.....and don't use de USA as an example. Trinidad is de jungle, and we couldn't handle mass gun ownership. america has obvious gun issues, but they have 200 plus years of gun ownership and the culture/history to back it up. knowing trinis/de jungle mindset, i can see people buying guns and popin off people who doh hold door open for them, doh say "good morning", give dem wrong change in de store, and other such grand offronts...

If these are the kind of characters in your neighbourhood I suggest you move, because from your description they seem incapable of having a kitchen knife. There are a lot of responsible people in Trinidad and responsible gun owners.

Your statement is so idiotic it is really hard to come up with a response, but I will try my best

Just because you don't think you need guns doesn't mean others do. We have been held up 8 times, with each time being worse than the other. You cannot always count on security as they like police take time to reach my closest station is 30 mins away. If you asked me 20 years ago I would say guns are not necessary unless a farmer, but from experience it is something that is needed by small business people today

Legal gun control is easy

Start with a clean database done by private independent company
Register all legal guns with Ballistic fingerprinting and adjust laws to include bullet marking
Every gun must be inspected every year
Every gun owner must do a certain amount of Arms Training each year

There are many more areas that can be included, but I'm not a gun expert

At the same time National Security/Coast Guard should be actively cracking down on illegal weapons.

and yet if a fella's brudder is de ballistics officer, or CEO or VP in de company, he gettin a bligh. if two people went Pres den UWI den Oxbridge, s/he getting ah pass. If de fella applying is yuh lil nephew/cousin, yuh givin de lil fella ah pass..... Regulations are fine, but then kinowing how Trini operates, can these regulations be assured to work? In the USA, well yep corruption mus exist, but not on Trini nature/scale.

and no, i ent live in some in toter neighbourhood. But gun ownership with Trinis' mentality, culture and mindset ent go wuk.... You/your family may use it for home protection, but then you probably exception to de rule....

[Chimera]

People don't use their legal firearms for crime simply because there is obvious backlash.

All they have to do is make the penalties severe if you use or show off/brandish your firearm inappropriately.

[src1983]

nobody needs guns. bar shooting ranges, what? prevent burglaries? won't say even dis de biggest crime issue at hand, so how dat gonna help?

trinis tink freedom without the requisite responsibility.....and don't use de USA as an example. Trinidad is de jungle, and we couldn't handle mass gun ownership. america has obvious gun issues, but they have 200 plus years of gun ownership and the culture/history to back it up. knowing trinis/de jungle mindset, i can see people buying guns and popin off people who doh hold door open for them, doh say "good morning", give dem wrong change in de store, and other such grand offronts...

If these are the kind of characters in your neighbourhood I suggest you move, because from your description they seem incapable of having a kitchen knife. There are a lot of responsible people in Trinidad and responsible gun owners.

Your statement is so idiotic it is really hard to come up with a response, but I will try my best

Just because you don't think you need guns doesn't mean others do. We have been held up 8 times, with each time being worse than the other. You cannot always count on security as they like police take time to reach my closest station is 30 mins away. If you asked me 20 years ago I would say guns are not necessary unless a farmer, but from experience it is something that is needed by small business people today

Legal gun control is easy

Start with a clean database done by private independent company
Register all legal guns with Ballistic fingerprinting and adjust laws to include bullet marking
Every gun must be inspected every year
Every gun owner must do a certain amount of Arms Training each year

There are many more areas that can be included, but I'm not a gun expert

At the same time National Security/Coast Guard should be actively cracking down on illegal weapons.

and yet if a fella's brudder is de ballistics officer, or CEO or VP in de company, he gettin a bligh. if two people went Pres den UWI den Oxbridge, s/he getting ah pass. If de fella applying is yuh lil nephew/cousin, yuh givin de lil fella ah pass..... Regulations are fine, but then kinowing how Trini operates, can these regulations be assured to work? In the USA, well yep corruption mus exist, but not on Trini nature/scale.

and no, i ent live in some in toter neighbourhood. But gun ownership with Trinis' mentality, culture and mindset ent go wuk.... You/your family may use it for home protection, but then you probably exception to de rule....

Arthur Anderson was in cohotes with Enron. There is corruption all over the world. But it's easy to mange.

Once a proper system is in place it is hard for corruption to take place. Example you can easily steal from the government, but ask the accounting guys who tried to steal from BP or BG can't remember which one

I don't know what Trini mentality is

[Chimera]

Once a proper system is in place it is hard for corruption to take place. Example you can easily steal from the government, but ask the accounting guys who tried to steal from BP or BG can't remember which one

I don't know what Trini mentality is

Then fellas still living large though. Daz a bad example.

[desifemlove]

nobody needs guns. bar shooting ranges, what? prevent burglaries? won't say even dis de biggest crime issue at hand, so how dat gonna help?

trinis tink freedom without the requisite responsibility.....and don't use de USA as an example. Trinidad is de jungle, and we couldn't handle mass gun ownership. america has obvious gun issues, but they have 200 plus years of gun ownership and the culture/history to back it up. knowing trinis/de jungle mindset, i can see people buying guns and popin off people who doh hold door open for them, doh say "good morning", give dem wrong change in de store, and other such grand offronts...

If these are the kind of characters in your neighbourhood I suggest you move, because from your description they seem incapable of having a kitchen knife. There are a lot of responsible people in Trinidad and responsible gun owners.

Your statement is so idiotic it is really hard to come up with a response, but I will try my best

Just because you don't think you need guns doesn't mean others do. We have been held up 8 times, with each time being worse than the other. You cannot always count on security as they like police take time to reach my closest station is 30 mins away. If you asked me 20 years ago I would say guns are not necessary unless a farmer, but from experience it is something that is needed by small business people today

Legal gun control is easy

Start with a clean database done by private independent company
Register all legal guns with Ballistic fingerprinting and adjust laws to include bullet marking
Every gun must be inspected every year
Every gun owner must do a certain amount of Arms Training each year

There are many more areas that can be included, but I'm not a gun expert

At the same time National Security/Coast Guard should be actively cracking down on illegal weapons.

and yet if a fella's brudder is de ballistics officer, or CEO or VP in de company, he gettin a bligh. if two people went Pres den UWI den Oxbridge, s/he getting ah pass. If de fella applying is yuh lil nephew/cousin, yuh givin de lil fella ah pass..... Regulations are fine, but then kinowing how Trini operates, can these regulations be assured to work? In the USA, well yep corruption mus exist, but not on Trini nature/scale.

and no, i ent live in some in toter neighbourhood. But gun ownership with Trinis' mentality, culture and mindset ent go wuk.... You/your family may use it for home protection, but then you probably exception to de rule....

Arthur Anderson was in cohotes with Enron. There is corruption all over the world. But it's easy to mange.

Once a proper system is in place it is hard for corruption to take place. Example you can easily steal from the government, but ask the accounting guys who tried to steal from BP or BG can't remember which one

I don't know what Trini mentality is

cos regulations in USA (which you keep using as a reference) are a lot stronger if not foolproof. USA can do registration better for a number of reasons, but given Trini mentality of ducking round ting, and that people can find a family, partner, spouse, gf, uncle, aunty, brudder/sister in virtually state body, then yuh have to factor this into any system.

[src1983]

nobody needs guns. bar shooting ranges, what? prevent burglaries? won't say even dis de biggest crime issue at hand, so how dat gonna help?

trinis tink freedom without the requisite responsibility.....and don't use de USA as an example. Trinidad is de jungle, and we couldn't handle mass gun ownership. america has obvious gun issues, but they have 200 plus years of gun ownership and the culture/history to back it up. knowing trinis/de jungle mindset, i can see people buying guns and popin off people who doh hold door open for them, doh say "good morning", give dem wrong change in de store, and other such grand offronts...

If these are the kind of characters in your neighbourhood I suggest you move, because from your description they seem incapable of having a kitchen knife. There are a lot of responsible people in Trinidad and responsible gun owners.

Your statement is so idiotic it is really hard to come up with a response, but I will try my best

Just because you don't think you need guns doesn't mean others do. We have been held up 8 times, with each time being worse than the other. You cannot always count on security as they like police take time to reach my closest station is 30 mins away. If you asked me 20 years ago I would say guns are not necessary unless a farmer, but from experience it is something that is needed by small business people today

Legal gun control is easy

Start with a clean database done by private independent company
Register all legal guns with Ballistic fingerprinting and adjust laws to include bullet marking
Every gun must be inspected every year
Every gun owner must do a certain amount of Arms Training each year

There are many more areas that can be included, but I'm not a gun expert

At the same time National Security/Coast Guard should be actively cracking down on illegal weapons.

and yet if a fella's brudder is de ballistics officer, or CEO or VP in de company, he gettin a bligh. if two people went Pres den UWI den Oxbridge, s/he getting ah pass. If de fella applying is yuh lil nephew/cousin, yuh givin de lil fella ah pass..... Regulations are fine, but then kinowing how Trini operates, can these regulations be assured to work? In the USA, well yep corruption mus exist, but not on Trini nature/scale.

and no, i ent live in some in toter neighbourhood. But gun ownership with Trinis' mentality, culture and mindset ent go wuk.... You/your family may use it for home protection, but then you probably exception to de rule....

Arthur Anderson was in cohotes with Enron. There is corruption all over the world. But it's easy to mange.

Once a proper system is in place it is hard for corruption to take place. Example you can easily steal from the government, but ask the accounting guys who tried to steal from BP or BG can't remember which one

I don't know what Trini mentality is

cos regulations in USA (which you keep using as a reference) are a lot stronger if not foolproof. USA can do registration better for a number of reasons, but given Trini mentality of ducking round ting, and that people can find a family, partner, spouse, gf, uncle, aunty, brudder/sister in virtually state body, then yuh have to factor this into any system.

But it still happened, wait it happened again the year after with Worldcom

The same registration they can do we can. Like I mentioned before it's not that difficult and with proper controls it will be difficult

But you set on you opinion and style of English

So you have your thought and I have mine

[desifemlove]

lolol......any more regulations added in any state area has to account for the culture we does have. and a gun is a weapon designed to kill. corruption in house allocation may not be good, but nobody eh use no house or flat to kill. that's just my main point.

[src1983]

lolol......any more regulations added in any state area has to account for the culture we does have. and a gun is a weapon designed to kill. corruption in house allocation may not be good, but nobody eh use no house or flat to kill.

But according to your statements, because of "trini mentality" we not capable of knives, rolling pins, vehicles etc.

[Redman]

I see Mr Ramadar has taken a position in the middle of nothing.

Smh

[desifemlove]

lolol......any more regulations added in any state area has to account for the culture we does have. and a gun is a weapon designed to kill. corruption in house allocation may not be good, but nobody eh use no house or flat to kill.

But according to your statements, because of "trini mentality" we not capable of knives, rolling pins, vehicles etc.

i'm sorry? dunno what rolling pins you does use, but cooking utensils aren't used nor designed to kill and maim.

[src1983]

lolol......any more regulations added in any state area has to account for the culture we does have. and a gun is a weapon designed to kill. corruption in house allocation may not be good, but nobody eh use no house or flat to kill.

But according to your statements, because of "trini mentality" we not capable of knives, rolling pins, vehicles etc.

i'm sorry? dunno what rolling pins you does use, but cooking utensils aren't used nor designed to kill and maim.

They aren't but the mentality of the people you described will use it for that.

[88sins]

i'm sorry? dunno what rolling pins you does use, but cooking utensils aren't used nor designed to kill and maim.

So what's your take on the cutlass? They were designed for that exact purpose, & they proliferate this country today. I am pretty sure over 80% of homes in T&T have at least 1 cutlass.

Using your logic, it seems odd that every Trini isn't dead or at least scarred from chop wounds

[Slartibartfast]

88 sins, if you can't see the potential attacking difference between a melee weapon and a gun then chances are you are a pretty crappy shooter and should be kept far away from guns to make sure you don't hit someone with a stray bullet while trying to hit your attacker.

So if guns and cutlasses are the same, why do yo want the right to bear arms? Bear cutlasses instead.

[Redman]

I think 88 point is that if we were to regulate guns on the basis of what we believe to be peoples MISUSE of the weapon then the same logic could be applied to cutlasses etc....

I understand his point.....and agree....IF the basis of the argument is the BELIEF that TnT people will abuse it then the logic holds true for many other day to day instruments.

Its a misguided basis to establish a POV. Yet it seems to make sense to many folk..

We are plagued with a system that
1) was established decades ago...and not updated
2) is not supported by decisive and consistent enforcement

Collectively we end up with what we have today...beyond the issue of Firearms ...a plethora of problems that seem insurmountable.
And systems that dont work...because they have not been enforced.

We have rules/law that govern most of what ails us as a country.
We just have not enforced many of them...or selectively enforce some.