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shake d livin wake d dead wrote:so am...what happen to the officer bullet proof vest?
16 cycles wrote:asking cause i don't know....one needs to pull the hammer back on a revolver everytime for it to fire?
16 cycles wrote:asking cause i don't know....one needs to pull the hammer back on a revolver everytime for it to fire?
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:so am...what happen to the officer bullet proof vest?
VII wrote:16 cycles wrote:asking cause i don't know....one needs to pull the hammer back on a revolver everytime for it to fire?
It was a semi-auto pistol,you need to 'rack' a round in the chamber first(pull back the slide mechanism with a loaded mag in place),and when you fire it the energy from the first shot slides another one into place in the chamber,all you have to do after that is keep pulling the trigger and the cycles would be repeated until gun is empty,at which point the slide would remain open and you would reload by putting another mag in(below handle/stock/grip) and release the slide and you ready to go again. The WPC'S gun wasn't racked,and she was obviously way out her depths,an experienced or semi-trained/regular/enthusiastic shooter would've been already racked,or would have instinctively rack the weapon,as that is ALWAYS the next move with any type of shot failure,"RACK RACK RACK"!!
It's a rough and tough undertaking,especially under attack,it requires strength and muscle memory,you know how sometimes you see a batsman instinctively practicing a shot after he just made or missed one,well prepared shooters sometimes find themselves unwittingly practicing a 'Rip', 'Grab' ,' Rack' and 'Present' drill while walking to car etc,so you mimic raising shirt a bit,grabbing racking and raising gun etc,depending on how far gone you are it might just be a rip and grab drill,lol..the hardest thing in the whole process is getting the opportunity at presenting your weapon without being killed and getting the perpetrator on the backfoot as quickly as possible,some even advise to start shooting before you acquire proper aim,and in that regard the cops already had an advantage,geez!
WRT to revolvers,most modern day revolvers would revolve/cycle once you pull the trigger,as the revolving movement is a mechanical mating of the trigger and chambering mechanism(revolving chamber) and not dependent on energy from the last round. It would operate normally if you keep pulling the trigger while empty(dry firing),just like a cap gun. WIth a semi-auto to 'dry fire'(practice trigger pulls and aiming without rounds) you have to manually slide/rack it to position the firing pin for each pull of the trigger while empty,so 'click slide back click slide back' each time,remember there is no live round to create the energy to slide firepin etc back into position..
There are many ways an experienced and flashy shooters can use both revolvers and semis to create faster cycling,bump firing etc..Some have double action and some have single action triggers,meaning one trigger type is just like pulling back a sling shot and then releasing a shot,and the other is like it's already pulled back and just to release,but for modern weapons double action is the way,as it requires a deliberate 2 stage action to fire,which you feel when you depress the trigger,you know anymore pressure and it would pivot and release,as opposed to single action where any slight touch of the trigger and it's over,kinda like a trap door release.
Double action is therefore handier safer and easier to use,just as a typical simple tool that anyone with hands can use and look like a pro. Single action would be found mostly on older pistols, military and competition firearms.
Some modern semi-auto pistols where there is an exposed hammer one could pull back the hammer till it clicks and stays back,and you have a single action for the next shot,the main advantage of a single action trigger is that there is less pulling and tugging involved which translates to a more level and better shot as only minimal finger input is required which makes the gun more stable through and between shots..
Oh and those poor cops were frozen and dazed,I know men and a couple women(civilians) who would have taken cover etc and finished that gunfight with 6-8 rounds...with at least 2 fatalities,with the third suspect fleeing. There needs to be an improvement in standard and basic training and training must be constant,not a 6 months pass out and that's that, and even so, he is a fresh rookie with only 7 months,so even his basic initial training was faulty and obviously uninspiring,he didn't even seek cover by the cars,he actually remained frozenin perfect line of fire,as if he is shocked and confused that someone is shooting at the police,as if he wanted to say he wasn't ready,the guy coulda finish him off easy. Hope he makes a full recovery and get's back on the beat ASAP,he gonna be one bad ass cop if he does.
Hope this helps.
Regards.
16 cycles wrote:VII - thanks for the explanation....glad i asked
cornfused wrote:Thanks to an original Tuner , version 1.0 for that professional analysis of what occurred . Thanks VII
ABA Trading LTD wrote:kjaglal76v2 wrote:cops didnt kno it was a robbery, apparently they tought it was jus a normal disturbance.
citizens have realized that many police are scared to respond to armed robberies (unless is johnny and he team)
everyone knows that police are quick to respond to domestic disturbances
bar owners must be work on that assumption and call it in as a domestic disturbance
work out real shitty for the popos though
LOL @ wpc
that gunman hold his gun and shoot like he well trained tho (altho he miss a lot)
normally them fellas does be holding gun sideways
GixxerMan wrote:VII wrote:16 cycles wrote:asking cause i don't know....one needs to pull the hammer back on a revolver everytime for it to fire?
It was a semi-auto pistol,you need to 'rack' a round in the chamber first(pull back the slide mechanism with a loaded mag in place),and when you fire it the energy from the first shot slides another one into place in the chamber,all you have to do after that is keep pulling the trigger and the cycles would be repeated until gun is empty,at which point the slide would remain open and you would reload by putting another mag in(below handle/stock/grip) and release the slide and you ready to go again. The WPC'S gun wasn't racked,and she was obviously way out her depths,an experienced or semi-trained/regular/enthusiastic shooter would've been already racked,or would have instinctively rack the weapon,as that is ALWAYS the next move with any type of shot failure,"RACK RACK RACK"!!
It's a rough and tough undertaking,especially under attack,it requires strength and muscle memory,you know how sometimes you see a batsman instinctively practicing a shot after he just made or missed one,well prepared shooters sometimes find themselves unwittingly practicing a 'Rip', 'Grab' ,' Rack' and 'Present' drill while walking to car etc,so you mimic raising shirt a bit,grabbing racking and raising gun etc,depending on how far gone you are it might just be a rip and grab drill,lol..the hardest thing in the whole process is getting the opportunity at presenting your weapon without being killed and getting the perpetrator on the backfoot as quickly as possible,some even advise to start shooting before you acquire proper aim,and in that regard the cops already had an advantage,geez!
WRT to revolvers,most modern day revolvers would revolve/cycle once you pull the trigger,as the revolving movement is a mechanical mating of the trigger and chambering mechanism(revolving chamber) and not dependent on energy from the last round. It would operate normally if you keep pulling the trigger while empty(dry firing),just like a cap gun. WIth a semi-auto to 'dry fire'(practice trigger pulls and aiming without rounds) you have to manually slide/rack it to position the firing pin for each pull of the trigger while empty,so 'click slide back click slide back' each time,remember there is no live round to create the energy to slide firepin etc back into position..
There are many ways an experienced and flashy shooters can use both revolvers and semis to create faster cycling,bump firing etc..Some have double action and some have single action triggers,meaning one trigger type is just like pulling back a sling shot and then releasing a shot,and the other is like it's already pulled back and just to release,but for modern weapons double action is the way,as it requires a deliberate 2 stage action to fire,which you feel when you depress the trigger,you know anymore pressure and it would pivot and release,as opposed to single action where any slight touch of the trigger and it's over,kinda like a trap door release.
Double action is therefore handier safer and easier to use,just as a typical simple tool that anyone with hands can use and look like a pro. Single action would be found mostly on older pistols, military and competition firearms.
Some modern semi-auto pistols where there is an exposed hammer one could pull back the hammer till it clicks and stays back,and you have a single action for the next shot,the main advantage of a single action trigger is that there is less pulling and tugging involved which translates to a more level and better shot as only minimal finger input is required which makes the gun more stable through and between shots..
Oh and those poor cops were frozen and dazed,I know men and a couple women(civilians) who would have taken cover etc and finished that gunfight with 6-8 rounds...with at least 2 fatalities,with the third suspect fleeing. There needs to be an improvement in standard and basic training and training must be constant,not a 6 months pass out and that's that, and even so, he is a fresh rookie with only 7 months,so even his basic initial training was faulty and obviously uninspiring,he didn't even seek cover by the cars,he actually remained frozenin perfect line of fire,as if he is shocked and confused that someone is shooting at the police,as if he wanted to say he wasn't ready,the guy coulda finish him off easy. Hope he makes a full recovery and get's back on the beat ASAP,he gonna be one bad ass cop if he does.
Hope this helps.
Regards.
You ever thought the wpc weapon may have had suffered a "stoppage"?....
thelem wrote:If the other officers were tactically inclined. Hiding or not. They clearly had the advantage because they bandits were inside. Just had to wait them out till backup arrives and engage in a gun fight.
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