Duane was dead wrong!Hybrid Cars cheaper to maintain!

[pete]

Also, you really want these dealers who go find the cheapest possible car to bring in and sell for the most markup to try to get quality hybrids?

At least if they're 2 years old not too much should be wrong with them but a 6 year old car that's the cheapest on the market for these guys to bring in and sell will most probably start to give problems. Then when they get a bad name nobody would really want to buy hybrids ever.

[PariaMan]

6000 us

Registration Year / Month
2008/11
Mileage
60,000 km
Displacement
1,500 cc
Steering
Right
Transmission
Automatic
Fuel
Hybrid-electric
Model code
NHW20

[SMc]

Just so...wait til PariaMAn reads the religion thread then its all over

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

What data do you have that older hybrids are less efficient?\\

you keep asking for specific data

you said show you where older hybrids are less efficient, I showed you where they keep increasing range over the years. They have improved batteries, motors, drivetrain, weight, speed, mileage etc over the past 6 years.

[PariaMan]

That is 13 years ago.

Come nah man bring in 6 years and newer Prius and all will be well.

Lets be open to change!

because hybrids and electric cars advance so quickly and have been selling better than before (even more so over the past 3 years) is the reason I said 6 years old is too much. i.e. newer, more efficient technology and better availability of parts

Man I will pick every one of your arguments apart.

1. newer efficient technology

If the 6 year technology is acceptable and gives us the milage what we want then it is not a problem
Do we stop buying basic cars like say a yaris because there are new cars that practically park and drive themselves?

2. Availability of parts for six year Prius.

Have you done research and your research shows that there are no parts for six year old Prius in Japan.
Print the site with that data.

Come nah man, man up and admit you wrong!

[RBphoto]

Toyota seems to be leading the charge *get it...gyuk gyuk* in Trinidad, but none of the models are plug in hybrids. I am disappoint.

[PariaMan]

Duane are you aware that the Third generation is from 2009 to present with juast a face lift. Come nah man



Third generation (XW30; 2009–present)


2009-2011 Toyota Prius (ZVW30R) i-Tech liftback (2011-03-10).jpg
Overview
Production March 2009–present
Model years 2010–present
Assembly Japan: Kariya, Aichi (Fujimatsu plant); Toyota, Aichi (Tsutsumi plant)[34]
Thailand: Chachoengsao (December 2010-present)[53]
Body and chassis
Class Mid-size car
Body style 5-door liftback
Toyota debuted the new Prius (2010 US model year) at the January 2009 North American International Auto Show,[54] and sales began in Japan on May 18, 2009.[55] Toyota cut the price of the Prius from ¥2.331 million to ¥2.05 million to better compete with the Honda Insight,[56] leading some to wonder whether increased sales of the Prius might come at the expense of sales of other vehicles with higher margins. Competition from lower priced hybrids, such as the Honda Insight, also made it difficult for Toyota to capitalize on the Prius's success.[57] As of June 2013, Toyota has sold about 1,688,000 third-generation Prii worldwide.[7]
At its introduction in 2009, it won the Car of the Year Japan Award for the second time.
Its new body design is more aerodynamic, with a reduced drag coefficient of Cd=0.25. This figure is disputed by General Motors which found the value for the model with 17-inch wheels to be around 0.30 based on tests in GM, Ford, and Chrysler wind tunnels.[58] Car & Driver measured the 3rd Generation Prius at 0.26 in a privately arranged 5-way wind-tunnel test of comparable cars.[59] An underbody rear fin helps stabilize the vehicle at higher speeds.[citation needed]
The estimated fuel-efficiency rating, using the U.S. EPA combined cycle, is 50 mpg-US (4.7 L/100 km; 60 mpg-imp).[60] The Prius was the most efficient car powered by liquid fuel available in the U.S. in 2009, based on the official rating.[61] Only the first-generation Honda Insight (2000–2006) equipped with a manual transmission attained a lower fuel consumption rate. The official UK fuel efficiency data for the Prius T3 is Urban 72.4 mpg-imp (3.90 L/100 km; 60.3 mpg-US), Extra Urban 76.4 mpg-imp (3.70 L/100 km; 63.6 mpg-US), Combined 72.4 mpg-imp (3.90 L/100 km; 60.3 mpg-US).[62]
The 1.8-liter gasoline engine (previously 1.5 liters) generates 98 hp (73 kW), and with the added power of the electric motor generates a total of 134 hp (100 kW) (previously 110 hp or 82 kW). The larger engine displacement allows for increased torque, reducing engine speeds (RPM), which improves fuel economy at highway speeds. Thanks to its electric water pump, the Prius engine is the first consumer automotive production engine that requires no accessory belts, which also further improves its fuel economy.[63] The electric motors and other components of the hybrid powertrain are also smaller and more efficient than the industry average.[64] Toyota estimates the new inverter, motor and transaxle are 20 percent lighter.
In constructing the Prius, Toyota used a new range of plant-derived ecological bioplastics, made out of cellulose derived from wood or grass instead of petroleum. The two principal crops used are kenaf and ramie. Kenaf is a member of the hibiscus family, a relative to cotton and okra; ramie, commonly known as China grass, is a member of the nettle family and one of the strongest natural fibres, with a density and absorbency comparable to flax. Toyota says this is a particularly timely breakthrough for plant-based eco-plastics because 2009 is the United Nations’ International Year of Natural Fibres, which spotlights kenaf and ramie among others.[65]
On February 12, 2014, Toyota UK announced a recall of the Prius, citing a software error which could cause the car to stop suddenly.[66]
Safety
Euro NCAP test results
Toyota Prius (2010)[67]
Test Points %
Overall: 5 /5 stars
Adult occupant: 32 88%
Child occupant: 40 82%
Pedestrian: 24 68%
Safety assist: 6 86%
The IIHS rated the 2010 Prius as Good except for side-impact "structure/safety cage", which was rated Acceptable.[68]
In EuroNCAP testing, the Prius was given an overall rating of five out of five stars
2011 facelift

Facelifted Prius third generation exhibited at the 2011 Frankfurt Motor Show
In mid-2011 (for the 2012 model year), the third-generation Prius Liftback received modest style and equipment changes. The exterior changes include updated headlamps, revised tail lamps, plus a distinctive front fascia and bumper, and the deletion of the "Super White" color option in the United States. Prospective American Prius buyers wanting a white exterior must either choose the "Blizzard Pearl" color (a metallic off-white) for an additional $220, or choose another make or model. The Prius can be equipped with an updated infotainment system featuring the optional Toyota Entune suite of connectivity features. Other updates include a 6.1-inch touch-screen, an AM/FM CD player unit, a USB port for iPod connectivity, an auxiliary input jack, a Bluetooth hands-free phone capability and streaming audio. The Prius also includes an optional solar panel on the roof of the car, solely to power a ventilation fan while the car is parked, to keep the interior cooler in sunny conditions. For the U.S. market only the Prius Two, Three, Four and Five were offered. The premium Prius Five model's Advanced Technology Package includes the Premium HDD Navigation System, plus the Head-up Display, Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, Pre-Collision System and Lane Keep Assist. The Pre-Collision System retracts the front seatbelts and applies the brakes in certain conditions when it determines that a crash is unavoidable. Lane Keep Assist can help the driver stay within the lane.[19] The U.S. 2012 model year includes Toyota's Vehicle Proximity Notification System (VPNS), which emits an artificial engine noise to alert pedestrians, the blind, and others of the vehicle's presence due to significant noise reduction typical of a hybrid vehicle traveling at low speeds in all-electric mode.[69][70]

[PariaMan]

Unless my maths is wrong 2014 -2009 is five years.

Therefore to say that the prius has changed drastically in five years is totally wrong.

[RASC]

[Imagining Duane Screeming "OMG" at computer screen]

ROFL

[pete]

PariaMan, 2008 is now too late to order for a 6 year old car. You need to look at prices on 2009 up.

On autoaccessjapan there's a 2010 with 92000km on it that sold for 720kyen (around 6200USD plus another 3k or so to ship to Trinidad) Duty would be 25% so that's 73k. MVT is 5625 and VAT is 11793. So a 6 year old one is only $90k. Why weren't people buying them at this price?

[kjaglal76v2]

them cud ghee??

[PariaMan]

PariaMan, 2008 is now too late to order for a 6 year old car. You need to look at prices on 2009 up.

On autoaccessjapan there's a 2010 with 92000km on it that sold for 720kyen (around 6200USD plus another 3k or so to ship to Trinidad) Duty would be 25% so that's 73k. MVT is 5625 and VAT is 11793. So a 6 year old one is only $90k. Why weren't people buying them at this price?

But imagine if the taxes were removed and taxis could get them for say 55 thousand

Just now we could do away with that fuel subsidy!

People need an incentive to bring them in!

Thats all!

[pete]

http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/yaris

http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius

15-25% better fuel economy means they can do away with the fuel subsidy?

(They should remove it anyway and then people will see the benefit of buying a car that gets good gas mileage, will start carpooling and/or using public transport instead)

[SMc]

PariaMan, 2008 is now too late to order for a 6 year old car. You need to look at prices on 2009 up.

On autoaccessjapan there's a 2010 with 92000km on it that sold for 720kyen (around 6200USD plus another 3k or so to ship to Trinidad) Duty would be 25% so that's 73k. MVT is 5625 and VAT is 11793. So a 6 year old one is only $90k. Why weren't people buying them at this price?

But imagine if the taxes were removed and taxis could get them for say 55 thousand

Just now we could do away with that fuel subsidy!

People need an incentive to bring them in!

Thats all!

I'm guessing... you drive a diesel right?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

That is 13 years ago.

Come nah man bring in 6 years and newer Prius and all will be well.

Lets be open to change!

because hybrids and electric cars advance so quickly and have been selling better than before (even more so over the past 3 years) is the reason I said 6 years old is too much. i.e. newer, more efficient technology and better availability of parts

Man I will pick every one of your arguments apart.

1. newer efficient technology

If the 6 year technology is acceptable and gives us the milage what we want then it is not a problem
Do we stop buying basic cars like say a yaris because there are new cars that practically park and drive themselves?

pick away

what is the cost difference between a Yaris and a car that can park and drive itself? practicality?

If we are going to embrace the hybrid / electric car, why accept or as you suggested "flood the market" with the old ones?

the reason there is a limit on the age of vehicles here is to limit the dumping that can occur.

2. Availability of parts for six year Prius.

Have you done research and your research shows that there are no parts for six year old Prius in Japan.
Print the site with that data.

Come nah man, man up and admit you wrong!

Prius is one model; the used car dealers are not limited to Prius. There are many models they can sell here.

There may be a ton of parts in Japan. By why bring older tech here? Just because it's cheaper?

Bring the newer ones.

[PariaMan]

Pallos the main purpose of this post was to show that Duane was wrong.

His conclusions were wrong.

There is nothing wrong with older hybrid cars.

But by the way a quarter drop in Fuel means that you can reduce the fuel subsidy by the same amount

Currently that is reducing from say 8 billion to 6 billion. Nothing wrong with that

[Knight Rider]

http://www.bambootrading.com/1800/1822.JPG

http://stevemckelvie.files.wordpress.co ... my2011.jpg


Let's recycle old cars, get great fuel economy and all follow the speed limits. Hybrids not required lol.

[PariaMan]

Duane

Did you see that the Prius has not changed much since 2009 . Why do yu persist with this old Tech talk?

Come nah man!

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Pallos the main purpose of this post was to show that Duane was wrong.

yes I realise that, and comprehension was clearly secondary.

[PariaMan]

A 2009 Prius is a newer one!

The goverment was wrong to limit to 2 years.

I strongly believe that was just a salute to big business

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Duane

Did you see that the Prius has not changed much since 2009 . Why do yu persist with this old Tech talk?

Come nah man!

I am not talking about the Prius alone.

and if it has not changed much then why not bring a 2011 model with lower mileage that would require less repairs by the new owner?

[PariaMan]

The Prius is the by far the most popular Hybrid in terms of sales.

If the model has not changed since 2009 their is no valid reason to prevent owners from brigh=ging down one

That was a bad decision by the goverment and I hope and we should all hpe that it is soon changed!

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Camry hybrid locally has a battery yes? All batteries have a shelf life. The battery in the Camry Hybrid has an 8 year warranty locally. So after owning the car for 8 years let's say the battery needs replacing. Do you guys know the listed price for a Camry Hybrid battery from Toyota Trinidad?

TT $ 125,000.00
That cost may or may not come down over the years but surely that negates the savings in fuel that makes hybrids sound better on paper. Camry Hybrid can use Super so even lower fuel savings year to year then a huge battery cost?

OP have you gotten the cost of a battery for the Prius from Toyota Trinidad?

[TRAE]

op has serious butthurt tho

[PariaMan]

Firstly you can get a used battery on ebay for 500 US.

(I have checked)

Secondly if you buy a say 60000km Prius you can expect 200000 + kms of life in the battery.
Actually it has been difficult to put a life span on the Prius battery because after ten years they are still going strong

( again I have researched this over and over)

There is no need to go Toyota.

Finally you cannot chose an expensive Hybrid to make any point.

The Prius is available at a relatively cheap price

It was very popular in Japan so there should be a lot a of spares

It has not changed significantly since 2009.

Why not encourage people to bring them down as a means of offsetting the gas subsidy especially for taxis?

There is no logical reason!

[PariaMan]

Reply to Trae.

“He who knows not and knows not he knows not: he is a fool - shun him. He who knows not and knows he knows not: he is simple - teach him. He who knows and knows not he knows: he is asleep - wake him. He who knows and knows he knows: he is wise - follow him.”

[pete]

How sure can you be that a 6 year old prius with 60,000km on the odometer doesn't really have 260,000?

Or an unscrupulous dealer selling a prius they picked up for 6000US and selling for 100kTTD with "low mileage" and the battery goes bad in a year? The more that happens the less likely you'll get a lot of people buying hybrids.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Firstly you can get a used battery on ebay for 500 US.

(I have checked)

Secondly if you buy a say 60000km Prius you can expect 200000 + kms of life in the battery.
Actually it has been difficult to put a life span on the Prius battery because after ten years they are still going strong

( again I have researched this over and over)

There is no need to go Toyota.

Ok cool. I found the price from Toyota Trinidad to be totally ridiculous when in the US a brand new battery could be had for US$4000.00. There are other questions as well but that's expected with new technology. Like the procedure to replace the electric drivetrain's battery in the Prius or Camry for example. Can it be done by a regular mechanic following instructions obtained online? Special tools required?

OP are you going to get a Prius?

[crazybalhead]

That evo jivin pic is a real damnation though.

Kerry orn fellas...

Oh, saw a park down Min of energy Prius in HYATT car park. So they must have talked about/ thought about encouraging hybrid tech., but for whatever reason, decided to push CNG.

*shrugs*

[brandonology1]

Getting into an argument with the man who does run tuner... ure a brave soul dude.
Interesting read tho...