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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby drunkenscorpion » November 7th, 2014, 12:49 pm

The technology isnt changing. Pricing?....no one knows. Digicel is running fiber to compete with cable and internet. Columbus is now coming into mobile most likely. All will be on the same footing offering 4 services. I see this as a benefit to the consumer.....

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » November 7th, 2014, 12:52 pm

^ the problem is the service will become so bad that the technology go end up looking like first class dialup. If they don't have to worry about a customer switching to another provider why should they really care about service? you could run it to the dogs and still make a killing.

What would most likely happen is they could end up setting a bandwidth cap.

Like for the month you are only allowed a certain amount of GB of download and after that you will be disconnected. This is usually how a monopoly ISP runs high speed internet.

It may end up being a good thing for us down here aswell as it will provide us with good service and we will still have a fast connection just limited on how much we can download. This will also be good for the government as we would not be able to use PSN, XBOX live and STEAM on PC to download our Games as it would be more feasible to buy it on disks and just download the updates. This way the government will get their tax from disk based games as opposed to buying online where they cannot get vat and duty.

Only thing is some people use stuff like Netflix and like to watch youtube in HD so all of that will be out of the question. Direct TV will get a chance to make some more money aswell.

so lets try to look at it on the bright side, killing the broadband market in Trinidad is actually beneficial to the economy and our people. We could go back to supporting the movie pirates on the streets as they too can eat a food, sure we will be going back to the stone age but we will be helping out everyone just like the communists like to do.

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby Country_Bookie » November 7th, 2014, 2:03 pm

We should pay attention to what this guy says:

The decision by Cable & Wireless to purchase Columbus International for approximately US$3 billion poses a major threat to competition in the Barbados and throughout the Caribbean region, Professor Avinash Persaud of the Washington-based Peterson Institute for International Economics said in reaction to the news this morning.

"The Barbados Government and others around the region should block the deal until it has secured guarantees open to public scrutiny and monitoring," he said.

Persaud said the deal will be "a major blow to attempts to improve quality and access to telecommunication connectivity, a critical factor in the regions economic future."

Broadband connectivity has become the critical factor in economic production around the world in recent years, an opportunity for the region to leap frog the obstacles of small local markets and distant international ones, Persaud said.

He said: "Broadband has reduced the previously overriding roles played by land, labour and capital, factors the region has in short supply. Despite the region's need for economic salvation and its importance to the region’s economic future, broadband in the region is more expensive, less broad and less reliable than in markets the region needs to be competitive with. This deal will widen the gap with those competitors, not close it.

"The enormous price that Cable & Wireless is paying - US$$1.9 billion for the Barbados-based Flow, plus assuming US$1.2 billion in net debt from Flow's balance sheet, is a clear measure of the super-profits Lime expects to make from the region. A more competitive business with concern that regulators would scrutinise and limit future profits would fetch a far lower price. But another measure of the super-profits expected is that at no point were the two companies at all bothered about the reaction of governments in the region.

"In their announcement to shareholders Cable & Wireless did not warn that the deal would be subject to regulatory scrutiny and approval. They took the sad, but perhaps correct view, that the region's Governments were irrelevant to this decision, even though the value in this deal to shareholders comes directly from how the market for telecoms is regulated.

"Just a few years ago, Barbadian residential customers could choose between Lime, and TeleBarbados for broadband and with the prospect of a newcomer, Flow, helping to expand choice and lower costs. Then Flow took over TeleBarbados and Lime has now taken over Flow, effectively leaving Barbadians with no choice but to use a provider where service frequently drops, responsiveness to customers is weak and costs are internationally uncompetitive. The same could be said in most other countries in the region.

"If such a deal was merely proposed in the US or Europe it would attract the attention of the competition authorities who would have placed a stay on the deal until they were sure it would not compromise quality and price or until they had received guarantees on both issues from the company. Governments in the region often reasonably complain about the difficulties of operating with limited tax revenues and high social costs, but many of the critical decisions for out economic future - such as the structure of the market for broad band that lowers costs, improves access and reliability - does not require any funding from Government.

"It does require a Government that is wise to the issues, has a vision as to what is critical and the courage to get the critical done, and is vigilant and active in the protection of the citizen’s interests. Monopolists protect their monopolistic profits by being cozy with regulators, sponsoring major charities and socially progressive initiatives and a few politicians. A measure of whether the region's economic funk is irretrievable will be how much Governments in the region willingly, or evenly after some public cajoling, stand up for the future interests of their citizens and the capacity for economic development."


http://news.co.tt/public_html/article.p ... 6104034443

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby 2WNBoost » November 7th, 2014, 2:33 pm

C&W will be made to offload their interest in TSTT.
That's the only way they will get approval. Probably will be the same case with their joint ventures in the other Caribbean markets.
I guess they got tired of leaving money on the table while the locals were asleep at the wheel. Sound move on C&W's part.
I didn't realize Flow owed that much debt. I imagined them to be a cash cow. Surprised.
I hope it goes through. The market needs a shake up.

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » November 7th, 2014, 2:36 pm

I am fine by this move as long as C&W gives up their 49% of TSTT

Most likely flow has been making a loss on internet at the cheap rates they were offering. I highly doubt they were making a loss on cable tv.

But can I ask something what would happen if C&W refuses to give up their 49% of TSTT?

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby skylinechild » November 7th, 2014, 3:04 pm

EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:^ the problem is the service will become so bad that the technology go end up looking like first class dialup. If they don't have to worry about a customer switching to another provider why should they really care about service? you could run it to the dogs and still make a killing.

What would most likely happen is they could end up setting a bandwidth cap.

Like for the month you are only allowed a certain amount of GB of download and after that you will be disconnected. This is usually how a monopoly ISP runs high speed internet.

It may end up being a good thing for us down here aswell as it will provide us with good service and we will still have a fast connection just limited on how much we can download. This will also be good for the government as we would not be able to use PSN, XBOX live and STEAM on PC to download our Games as it would be more feasible to buy it on disks and just download the updates. This way the government will get their tax from disk based games as opposed to buying online where they cannot get vat and duty.

Only thing is some people use stuff like Netflix and like to watch youtube in HD so all of that will be out of the question. Direct TV will get a chance to make some more money aswell.

so lets try to look at it on the bright side, killing the broadband market in Trinidad is actually beneficial to the economy and our people. We could go back to supporting the movie pirates on the streets as they too can eat a food, sure we will be going back to the stone age but we will be helping out everyone just like the communists like to do.


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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby nismoid » November 7th, 2014, 4:22 pm

Wow alot of pundits in here boy.

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby kjaglal76v2 » November 7th, 2014, 4:29 pm

TSTT WOULD NEVER DIE

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby redmanjp » November 7th, 2014, 6:31 pm

EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:I am fine by this move as long as C&W gives up their 49% of TSTT

Most likely flow has been making a loss on internet at the cheap rates they were offering. I highly doubt they were making a loss on cable tv.

But can I ask something what would happen if C&W refuses to give up their 49% of TSTT?


then Govt should block the merger

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » November 7th, 2014, 9:53 pm

I fully agree with you, and if they fail to do so then this government has truly failed to stand up for the people.

Lets see what actually happens

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby Ted_v2 » November 8th, 2014, 7:17 pm

anyone else flow setup just randomly reseting?

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby neilsingh100 » November 8th, 2014, 7:25 pm

One possibility is that government might dispose of the 51% and C&W 49% to a private entity.

TSTT needs a huge capital injection to survive as well as shed about 60% of its staff.

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby ninjabilly » November 8th, 2014, 7:50 pm

Where you get that 60% from, just curious.

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approv

Postby neilsingh100 » November 8th, 2014, 8:07 pm

Based on industry benchmarks TSTT should have somewhere between 1000-1500 staff.

I believe the headcount at Flow and Digicel is in that range.

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approval)

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approval)

Postby Trinislacker » May 17th, 2016, 5:46 am

Could someone update me with TSTT. I knew for C&W to get approval to purchase Columbus they needed to sell TSTT by a certain time. What's the update with that.

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approval)

Postby Dizzy28 » May 17th, 2016, 9:24 am

dredman1 wrote:Liberty Global buys C&W/Flow

http://www.libertyglobal.com/pdf/press- ... -FINAL.pdf


I would appreciate any provider that despite lumping us with LAC can find a means to provide English Speaking content to the English speaking Caribbean countries.

With technology this really can't be that hard can it?

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Re: Cable & Wireless buys Flow (subject to regulatory approval)

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