ISIS in T&T?

[STORM1234]

For those of you keeping score at home

Bluesclues 1
AdamB 0

Looks like Bluesclues owning AdamB like a Yazidi slave

[RASC]

For 1400+ years Shi'a waring with Sunni but we must take Adamb word..."we are all one"

Bluesclues just lash him for 6

[konartis]

more muslims need to come and discuss this...sure they are alot on here...probally making fun of other religions, when they are the worst thing this on this earth

[Ziyaad]

Muslims are the worst thing on this earth u say? Concerning ISIS, I neither support nor am I against them, simply because of media propaganda. Alot of what was heard in the media is not Islam. We don't know if what we are hearing is the truth or just news to turn the world against the Muslims. Example, the Israel gaza conflict. All media reports were pro Israel while a genocide was takin place in gaza. And no one was allowed to send food or help to them or that person would hav been considered "funding terrorism". Yea ppl all upset about beheading, how do we know that those videos were officially from ISIS and not part of a propaganda? There were videos on YouTube explaining why those beheading videos were most likely fake, and u know what happened to them? They were removed by YouTube. Have you ever seen what a body looks like after a drone attack? Are you aware of the thousands of Muslims massacred over the decades by these drones and Americans and Jewish soldiers are were you asleep? As most of you probably don't know, most of the media are controlled and owned by the Jews, cnn fox yahoo just to name a few. Do you believe that they recently killed bin laden and gave him the "muslim burial" by sea? Where is the evidence? Everyone saw when they hung Saddam, why wasn't there sum form of evidence of his dead body(bin laden)? Why where the ppl "involved" in the so call assassination found dead soon after? It's simple..... Media propaganda.

[janfar]

Learn to spell before trying to justify your archaic religion

[Ziyaad]

Have a look at this video. Before they remove it again from youtube

[Ziyaad]

janfar, i hope u feel accomplished with your contribution

[Rainman]

Ziyaad, how's the koolaid taste?

[16 cycles]

When is the date for the march against isis?

Aware us pls...those who know....

[Rainman]

I neither support nor am I against them

Good to know, how do your customers feel about this?

[Ziyaad]

i dont know. i dont think i ever discussed with any of my customers. Did you look at the video?

[16 cycles]

Guy had some valid points on war but too many discrepancies with his debunking of western media reports nor did he address any reports that very much show isis flags during execution...

[shogun]

Muslims are the worst thing on this earth u say? Concerning ISIS, I neither support nor am I against them, simply because of media propaganda. Alot of what was heard in the media is not Islam. We don't know if what we are hearing is the truth or just news to turn the world against the Muslims. Example, the Israel gaza conflict. All media reports were pro Israel while a genocide was takin place in gaza. And no one was allowed to send food or help to them or that person would hav been considered "funding terrorism". Yea ppl all upset about beheading, how do we know that those videos were officially from ISIS and not part of a propaganda? There were videos on YouTube explaining why those beheading videos were most likely fake, and u know what happened to them? They were removed by YouTube. Have you ever seen what a body looks like after a drone attack? Are you aware of the thousands of Muslims massacred over the decades by these drones and Americans and Jewish soldiers are were you asleep? As most of you probably don't know, most of the media are controlled and owned by the Jews, cnn fox yahoo just to name a few. Do you believe that they recently killed bin laden and gave him the "muslim burial" by sea? Where is the evidence? Everyone saw when they hung Saddam, why wasn't there sum form of evidence of his dead body(bin laden)? Why where the ppl "involved" in the so call assassination found dead soon after? It's simple..... Media propaganda.

What a bunch of BS. Think i counted every excuse used by sympathizers in this pile of drivel.

[HSA]

why don't we all be friends...get together..go beach...cook duck etc...and after our bellies are filled...have a grudge match to the death....

[16 cycles]

^ best duck win

No need to fight to death...

[sMASH]

Everybody is not Real Islam...except the type of Islam you follow.

Sound familiar?
Same thing Christian fundamentalists use...
"No they're Catholic not real Christianity... They don't represent the real followers of Christ"

Carbon copy...distance yourself from what everyone else refers to as your religion, claim peacefulness and purity, deflect with "we are the TRUE followers of *insert middle eastern bearded figure*" and claim innocence in the wake of YOUR religions evil and violent tendencies.

Protestants
Catholics
Pentecostals
Jehovah Witnesses
Methodists
Baptists
Mormans

All use these exact arguments to distance themselves from the other sects blatant injustices against human kind.

We cannot be fooled.

And in our line of teaching, we have ' there is no compulsion in religion '.

So, if one of us were to truely be following our teachings, we would not be forcing people to join us, interfering wiht them for not following, constantly and consistently harrasing others to join.

Also, at a point in the early days of Islam, some of hem needed to flee because they were going to be killed for Islam . They went to abysinia, which is where we know now as Ethiopia. they sought refuge in a Christian kingdom. When their attackers cauht up with them and asked the king to release them because of heir crime of following a different religion to them, the king did not release them from his protection citing that hey beleived in one ultimate creator just like themselves, and had principles just like them.

Any Sunni should know about how other religions helped out ours in these times, thus showing that all has a place and a function as god wills.

Plus Islam is the best of religions , its ur choice if u want to follow something inferior... And u would be allowed to do so.

Just as in the religion thread Smash tries to appear to be a voice of moderate Islam but he always has to throw in a plug for his religion in the end showing really there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

So putting a plug makes me extreme...???

THen Jehovah's witness must be extreme too,

[sMASH]

This is because they believe we are in the 7th century. This is the ultimate goal of these barbaric creatures. To return to these times.

Them, maybe yes. Us, no.

[Dizzy28]

Everybody is not Real Islam...except the type of Islam you follow.

Sound familiar?
Same thing Christian fundamentalists use...
"No they're Catholic not real Christianity... They don't represent the real followers of Christ"

Carbon copy...distance yourself from what everyone else refers to as your religion, claim peacefulness and purity, deflect with "we are the TRUE followers of *insert middle eastern bearded figure*" and claim innocence in the wake of YOUR religions evil and violent tendencies.

Protestants
Catholics
Pentecostals
Jehovah Witnesses
Methodists
Baptists
Mormans

All use these exact arguments to distance themselves from the other sects blatant injustices against human kind.

We cannot be fooled.

And in our line of teaching, we have ' there is no compulsion in religion '.

So, if one of us were to truely be following our teachings, we would not be forcing people to join us, interfering wiht them for not following, constantly and consistently harrasing others to join.

Also, at a point in the early days of Islam, some of hem needed to flee because they were going to be killed for Islam . They went to abysinia, which is where we know now as Ethiopia. they sought refuge in a Christian kingdom. When their attackers cauht up with them and asked the king to release them because of heir crime of following a different religion to them, the king did not release them from his protection citing that hey beleived in one ultimate creator just like themselves, and had principles just like them.

Any Sunni should know about how other religions helped out ours in these times, thus showing that all has a place and a function as god wills.

Plus Islam is the best of religions , its ur choice if u want to follow something inferior... And u would be allowed to do so.

Just as in the religion thread Smash tries to appear to be a voice of moderate Islam but he always has to throw in a plug for his religion in the end showing really there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

So putting a plug makes me extreme...???

THen Jehovah's witness must be extreme too,

They are.

And wrt you if it was one time or a few cool but you always do the plug. Is it your religion so weak you need constant affirmation?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I neither support nor am I against them

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/07/baghdadi-impostor-20147991513785260.html

what are your thoughts on this?

[bluesclues]

archaic religion

that really is the long and short of it.

[AdamB]

Madman catch up with this thread yes!

madman just made a post that is historically and factually accurate in the present day.

NTD,
the only fact in there is that Christianity came before Islam. The rest is hogwash which, as you all know, I don't lap up but you all go ahead... Bon Appetit!

[AdamB]

^ ok, not straying from the point.
Do you think Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is the right Caliph of the Islamic State?
Can't comment, i don't know them personally to say he or someone else is right.

There was more activity by Muslims, even locally, against Israel than there is against ISIS.
Why do you think this is so?

There is a difference between a civil war (with fighting on both sides, each armed, etc) and Goliath (Israel) slaughtering helpless kids (David) who pelt stones at their tanks. They have used white phosphorus and not complied with almost every UN resolution in the book. Check the list here: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/un.html

The point was made about the biased media coverage and questionable events of murder / beheadings. The fact is that these cannot be confirmed. Who is going to put the bell on the cat? Are muslims then to speculate and condemn their "brothers" without verification of information? This may be viewed as backbiting or slander. It may not be known who is who in this civil war and even whether they are truly muslims or not.

I don't know on what basis some have left to go to Syria but what a man carrying women and little children there for. Those brothers have to be crack or have been brainwashed.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ ok, not straying from the point.
Do you think Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is the right Caliph of the Islamic State?

Can't comment, i don't know them personally to say he or someone else is right.

you have to know someone personally to know if they can be the Caliph of the Islamic State?

There was more activity by Muslims, even locally, against Israel than there is against ISIS.
Why do you think this is so?

There is a difference between a civil war (with fighting on both sides, each armed, etc) and Goliath (Israel) slaughtering helpless kids (David) who pelt stones at their tanks. They have used white phosphorus and not complied with almost every UN resolution in the book. Check the list here: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/un.html

The point was made about the biased media coverage and questionable events of murder / beheadings. The fact is that these cannot be confirmed. Who is going to put the bell on the cat? Are muslims then to speculate and condemn their "brothers" without verification of information? This may be viewed as backbiting or slander. It may not be known who is who in this civil war and even whether they are truly muslims or not.

and how do we know that all the information on ifamericansknew.org is not biased; who is it verified by?

With regards to both Israel and ISIS there is obviously mass amounts of biased reporting and propaganda on both sides. However it seems that you give the benefit of the doubt to Gaza and ISIS respectively.

I don't know on what basis some have left to go to Syria but what a man carrying women and little children there for. Those brothers have to be crack or have been brainwashed.

well "brainwashed" is a subjective term. Depends on who is making the claim and how brainwashed they themselves are.

[bluesclues]

Madman catch up with this thread yes!

madman just made a post that is historically and factually accurate in the present day.

NTD,
the only fact in there is that Christianity came before Islam. The rest is hogwash which, as you all know, I don't lap up but you all go ahead... Bon Appetit!

of course you wont lap it up. that is what Allah say but it goes against the teaching of muhammad. Jesus was the completion of the law boy. Allah aint send no body else till the last days.

[AdamB]

I neither support nor am I against them

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/07/baghdadi-impostor-20147991513785260.html

what are your thoughts on this?

The article doesn't identify why he is to be considered an apostate.re

Has he claimed to be THE Mahdi? It is known that the mahdi will be named Muhammad ibn Abdullah.

The true Islamic Caliphate ended in 1944. Do you suppose we are experiencing the negative effects?

[Ziyaad]

I neither support nor am I against them

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/07/baghdadi-impostor-20147991513785260.html

what are your thoughts on this?

With regards to the link sent, ''Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been successful in drawing a following from among the "damned"; that is, the underfed, idealistic, ignorant, downtrodden, and vengeful youth, who have always been the primary victims of western aggression on their culture'', i personally do not believe this part. Overall tho, as i said, im neither for no against because none of this info from the media we are getting can be confrmed, the caliph may or may not be legit, i dont know. But what i do know is that there is a hadith(saying of the prophet Muhammad pbuh) that says "Armies carrying black flags will come from Khurasan. No power will be able to stop them, and they will finally reach Jerusalem where they will erect their flag."( Hadith Tirmidhi). If this ISIS army is unstopable i have reason to believe they are on the right path as prophesised.Obama did say he will 'degrade and destroy ISIS,and we have seen alot of degrading. Even so,i personally am unsure of the situation, i dunno whats true an whats false with regards to the media, so i will safely say i am NOT for or against ISIS. What people need to understand is that in every religion there are good and bad people,yet still they reserve the title 'terrorist' for the muslims and we are stereotyped all over the world, wasnt Hitler a Christian? No offence to Christianity. Alot of things being heard in the news is not islam, eg killing of innocent ppl. In Islam,chapter 5 verse 32 “Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” Also why i believe that alot of people are flocking to ISIS is this hadith,the Messenger of Allah said:
"If you see the Black Banners coming from Khurasan go to them immediately, even if you must crawl over ice, because indeed amongst them is the Caliph, Al Mahdi." I hope this helps your understanding of the current situation.

[Ziyaad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUePdRb8QLk

Have a look at this

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

The atrocities are undeniable though. Is that the way it was meant to happen?

There are Christians that do terrible things everyday and you see it in the news, but they don't do it in the name of Christianity as ISIS and a lot of terrorists are doing in the name of Islam.

This is not the way it is because people want to hate Islam or Muslims. It is this way because it seems people are grossly misrepresenting Islam, in the name of Islam.

What kind of person leaves Trinidad to go to Syria to bear arms, brandish guns in photos and fight a war? Maybe that answer may help to answer many more questions.

[Ziyaad]

I understand your point. But theres is soo much propaganda and im in a position that i dont know what to believe. The media is deceptive, the last video i shared, im not saying its true, but the guy has valid points and it can possibly be true. i would gladly help my oppressed muslim brothers and sisters in whatever way i could for instance in Gaza where there was confirmed oppression. But this Syrian and ISIS situation, i dont know what is what. There is a hadith, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” We are obliged to do something to stop wrong doing and evil, not be a bystander.

[megadoc1]

Muslims are the worst thing on this earth u say? Concerning ISIS, I neither support nor am I against them, simply because of media propaganda. Alot of what was heard in the media is not Islam. We don't know if what we are hearing is the truth or just news to turn the world against the Muslims. Example, the Israel gaza conflict. All media reports were pro Israel while a genocide was takin place in gaza. And no one was allowed to send food or help to them or that person would hav been considered "funding terrorism". Yea ppl all upset about beheading, how do we know that those videos were officially from ISIS and not part of a propaganda? There were videos on YouTube explaining why those beheading videos were most likely fake, and u know what happened to them? They were removed by YouTube. Have you ever seen what a body looks like after a drone attack? Are you aware of the thousands of Muslims massacred over the decades by these drones and Americans and Jewish soldiers are were you asleep? As most of you probably don't know, most of the media are controlled and owned by the Jews, cnn fox yahoo just to name a few. Do you believe that they recently killed bin laden and gave him the "muslim burial" by sea? Where is the evidence? Everyone saw when they hung Saddam, why wasn't there sum form of evidence of his dead body(bin laden)? Why where the ppl "involved" in the so call assassination found dead soon after? It's simple..... Media propaganda.

who you trying to misguide? the media was pro gaza in the last conflict ,a France 23 reporter started of his report on gaza's side and got the shock of his life when a rocket went of next door, he then found out the truth about gaza...you sir are ill informed .....UDR