9 & 15 year old brothers killed in Morvant

[Fearless]

So many mouth murderers here,my first shooting incident I prayed that the perps didn't die,it was just natural,all the hype leaves you,you just start feeling really weighed down,start asking yourself if you are worthy of taking a another man's life in such a situation etc..I had no control over the feelings,but was prepared for the worst as well..

well good thing you not like ABA Trading LTD, you would've kill them and been happy afterwards.

but good looking out though, people like you are very rare to find these days.

Bro,regarding the 9 y.o,the law clearly provides that a child his age is incapable of commiting a crime(oops,this may be over their heads),yet still you have ignaramous goons here parading as law abiding citizens praising this unfortunate and new low in our country.

Panda 9 years old !! A damn baby who would do anything he is asked to do by probably the only person that shows him any kinda care.

A child that age is a blank template that can be reset in a positive or negative way in the snap of a finger. A couple months of love and guidance and that child could have made it through.

The fools would continue to defficate verbally,but the reality is that this incident is an indictment on T&T on the whole,Trinidadians are becoming very nasty people who see murder as a viable option for all situations.

A people who thrives on others' misfortune.

THIS.

and is the love and guidance he didn't have. because he had high aspirations, just was guided by the wrong influence.

[VII]

Imagine the law and the state acknowledges that a 9 y.o child committing a crime is a direct failure on societies' part,but some peasants can't acknowledge and accept that?

The law is actually protecting children from those same people,the same people that believe a 9 y.o deserves to die in such a manner for being misled.

The same people who wished that they murdered everyone in the house,a move that even the cold blooded murderers didn't support.

How are these people even better than the murderers,much less the two victims that they so damn?

Man I'm outta here..phew.

Bless.

[mars]

My only qualm in this matter is that the mother and cousin got away.

Shooter should have killed himself for that

shooters nuh so bright to realise he left the mother to breed more criminals... 9 and 15 yrs frm now..

Shudda kill the root of the tree and done...

NAH - Mods - where allyuh?

[Nissian for life]

Imagine the law and the state acknowledges that a 9 y.o child committing a crime is a direct failure on societies' part,but some peasants can't acknowledge and accept that?

The law is actually protecting children from those same people,the same people that believe a 9 y.o deserves to die in such a manner for being misled.

The same people who wished that they murdered everyone in the house,a move that even the cold blooded murderers didn't support.

How are these people even better than the murderers,much less the two victims that they so damn?

Man I'm outta here..phew.

Bless.

faith in humanity partially restored cuz of this guy

[kjaglal76v2]

VII u cud realll cyak bai

[zoom rader]

So many mouth murderers here,my first shooting incident I prayed that the perps didn't die,it was just natural,all the hype leaves you,you just start feeling really weighed down,start asking yourself if you are worthy of taking a another man's life in such a situation etc..I had no control over the feelings,but was prepared for the worst as well..

well good thing you not like ABA Trading LTD, you would've kill them and been happy afterwards.

but good looking out though, people like you are very rare to find these days.

Bro,regarding the 9 y.o,the law clearly provides that a child his age is incapable of commiting a crime(oops,this may be over their heads),yet still you have ignaramous goons here parading as law abiding citizens praising this unfortunate and new low in our country.

Panda 9 years old !! A damn baby who would do anything he is asked to do by probably the only person that shows him any kinda care.

A child that age is a blank template that can be reset in a positive or negative way in the snap of a finger. A couple months of love and guidance and that child could have made it through.

The fools would continue to defficate verbally,but the reality is that this incident is an indictment on T&T on the whole,Trinidadians are becoming very nasty people who see murder as a viable option for all situations.

A people who thrives on others' misfortune,with the sole purpose of advancing and promoting their own brand of morality.

VII, this is tuner and a reflection of trini, the 9 year old case is no different from the mom abusing her daughter showing her underwear.
I said it over and over that trinis are a nasty, rude, hostile, angry , ignorant bunch of ppl. Just look at the comments towards the 9 year old on here.
This society is rotten and has developed this way since 1962 and its only going to get worst .

[RIPEBREDFRUIT]

So many mouth murderers here,my first shooting incident I prayed that the perps didn't die,it was just natural,all the hype leaves you,you just start feeling really weighed down,start asking yourself if you are worthy of taking a another man's life in such a situation etc..I had no control over the feelings,but was prepared for the worst as well..

well good thing you not like ABA Trading LTD, you would've kill them and been happy afterwards.

but good looking out though, people like you are very rare to find these days.

Bro,regarding the 9 y.o,the law clearly provides that a child his age is incapable of commiting a crime(oops,this may be over their heads),yet still you have ignaramous goons here parading as law abiding citizens praising this unfortunate and new low in our country.

Panda 9 years old !! A damn baby who would do anything he is asked to do by probably the only person that shows him any kinda care.

A child that age is a blank template that can be reset in a positive or negative way in the snap of a finger. A couple months of love and guidance and that child could have made it through.

The fools would continue to defficate verbally,but the reality is that this incident is an indictment on T&T on the whole,Trinidadians are becoming very nasty people who see murder as a viable option for all situations.

A people who thrives on others' misfortune,with the sole purpose of advancing and promoting their own brand of morality.

VII, this is tuner and a reflection of trini, the 9 year old case is no different from the mom abusing her daughter showing her underwear.
I said it over and over that trinis are a nasty, rude, hostile, angry , ignorant bunch of ppl. Just look at the comments towards the 9 year old on here.
This society is rotten and has developed this way since 1962 and its only going to get worst .

actually IT STARTED WITH E.R.I.C. AND CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.............

[javishm]

actually IT STARTED WITH E.R.I.C. AND CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.............

Thank you

[Chimera]

i still in shock of how allyuh defending a 9 and 15 year old who were robbing people in POS

as someone said earlier, yuh feel they does rob people without weapons?

if they getting easy money at that age with robbery, you feel they would take a rest and improve ? or they would graduate to bigger crimes?

[Spitfir3]

if it was 23yr olds and it was police who killed them for the same offenses all now so these guys saying goodjob officers

these kids clearly bit of more than they can chew for all we know they were involved in much bigger things its not like the reporters would know everything i doubt someone would kill them in that fashion for petty theft

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

23 is very different to 9.

[Slartibartfast]

ABA you looking at the issue all wrong. Yes you are correct to think that robbing people (with or without weapons) is wrong and should be punishable regardless of the age of the perpetrator. But, you are completely ignoring the main issue here, which is, "What will drive a boys of 9 and 15 years old to commit armed robberies."

Obviously it has to do with the influences in their lives growing up. Now this may come as a shock to you, but, in most places in the world, armed robbery is not a typical activity for children aged 9 to 15 years. This now brings forth the following questions.

What were their influences growing up?
Where did these influence come from?
Who is responsible for influencing he child? (Parents, elders, community and society in that order)
Why weren't they exposed to proper influences?
What can we do to make sure that children are not influenced in this way in the future?

Also keep in mind that armed robbery is not normally a capital crime. However, execution [without due process] normally is (regardless of who is being executed). I am surprised that most of the people here are perfectly OK with killing children in this manner (lots of pro life/choice arguments here but let's not digress) but think children committing armed robbery should be immediately killed.

If your still unable to get it, let me break it down as simply and logically as possible. Let's say left a container of sugar open on your counter top overnight and woke up to a counter full of ants. What would you do.
a. Kill the ants one by one (deal with the problem directly i.e. kill, jail or rehabilitate criminals)
b. Allow the ants to kill out themselves (this situation)
c. Close the container and wipe down the counter (deal with the source of the problem)

Obviously a combo of "a" and "b"

Imagine the law and the state acknowledges that a 9 y.o child committing a crime is a direct failure on societies' part,but some peasants can't acknowledge and accept that?

VII seem to have the right ideas. Respect.

[Fearless]

i still in shock of how allyuh defending a 9 and 15 year old who were robbing people in POS

as someone said earlier, yuh feel they does rob people without weapons?

if they getting easy money at that age with robbery, you feel they would take a rest and improve ? or they would graduate to bigger crimes?

You still not understanding the point. with the proper guidance they would have improve. you honestly feel that them boys just decided one day that crime is the way, and that it didn't have someone providing some sort of bad influence/guidance? Come on man, broaden your narrow-minded way of thinking. where exactly a 15 or 9 yr old getting a weapon from? they might just stumble upon a gun or something? and a 9yr old at about 3-4ft approach you with a knife to rob you how exactly that working out?

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Slartibartfast better yuh make a rap song outta yuh post. Maybe tuner might understand the issue better.

[Chimera]

you are speaking of correcting the social problems that make the children the way that
ok i get that

yes yes get to the root of the problem, their upbringing, their parents/elders

all that's great to preach and tell people what they should and shouldn't do

but in the meantime they would have gone about robbing people, they may have eventually killed someone, while you in their community trying to educate their elders/leaders who honestly don't want to hear you

and getting a gun is pretty easy in this country, people these days rolling with phones for 3-5 grand?

a new .357 is about $9000? 2-5 robbery and you can buy a brand new gun with bullets.
you ask where they can get the gun from, anyone in Trinidad can get a gun, everyone knows someone who uses coke or ganja, anyone can ask that person to talk to their coke/ganja dealer about securing a gun for them. it's as easy as that.


i remember when I was secondary school years ago, little fellas who maybe in form 1 from pleasantville , rolling with knives and robbing people who in form 5/6 normal normal in broad day light


yes i understand you speak about correcting the social ills of society, but YOU can't really do that.
No matter what you try, no single user or even group of people on this site is capable of doing that.

only the government has the money and manpower to solve that.

@ VII, as I said, you just let people get away to rob another day but I do see your reasoning, it would have made no sense for you to gun them down because it would have just resulted in more damage to you (their family burning down your equipment etc)

but again, as you said, if they came into your house you would kill them

let me ask you this


if two kids under the age of 12, come into your house and point guns at your family members, or they run up on you by your car window when you going to work/home whatever and you in a position to cut them down...

what would be your move?
you gonna study how young they are?

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2014-06- ... -out-crime

British High Commissioner: Media making pornography out of crime


The media in T&T could be a voice for change but instead they make pornography out of crime, says British High Commissioner Arthur Snell. Snell, a member of the Rotary Club, was delivering the feature address at the club’s luncheon at Goodwill Industries, Fitz Blackman Drive, Port-of-Spain, yesterday. Focusing on the topic, Taking Responsibility, Snell also zeroed in on the issue of childhood.





He referred to nine-year-old Jadel Holder, who was murdered with his brother, Jamal Brathwaite, 15, at their home at Coconut Drive, Morvant, on Sunday. Holder and Brathwaite were made to lie down and shot in the head at point-blank range. Snell said: “What does it mean to be a nine-year-old boy? “That’s a transitional age. You are a little child but you are now becoming aware of the adult world. Maybe you are just discovering that your parents are not always right.



“Sometimes you ask them a question and they don’t have an answer. The nine-year-old boys that I know still like a really cool toy that does something clever.” Before shock, outrage and horror could be expressed over the incident, he said, it was important to note how it was reported. He quoted media reports in which people who were interviewed shortly after the murders said sooner or later they were bound to happen. One neighbour reported the boys kept bad company while another described Holder and Brathwaite as “terrors.”



“So the message here is pretty simply, ‘Yes, it is sad but it was their fault. It’s not our responsibility...’ Blame the kids, blame the mother, blame the absent father and if that fails, blame the police. “Demand they take tougher action, arrest more people. Don’t worry there is no evidence, this has never worked—just do it again. It’s not our responsibility,” Snell said.





Saying taking responsibility was something people were not very keen on, Snell said it was his belief that Holder’s murder was the responsibility of everyone, including Rotarians and other citizens. “It’s too easy. It’s too convenient to say that these boys got into bad company. “I want to know what’s happened to a society where a small child who gets into bad company ends up shot in the back of the head. So who’s taking responsibility for that?” Snell asked.



He also referred to an instance in which a daily newspaper published a front-page photo of a man’s severed head on a table. On what impact this could have had on young children. Snell said his daughter, who was five at the time, was upset by the photo. “Perhaps Jadel Holder saw that picture and perhaps it taught him to value human life a little less. How many other children saw that image? What is the impact of this on young minds? he asked.



He added: “I am not questioning the sanctity of freedom of speech. I am questioning the sanity of the editors that decide to put these images on the front pages. “There is a very simple word that describes degrading, exploitative, sensationalist vulgarity in the pursuit of commercial gain. That word is pornography,” Snell added. Snell then turned his attention to those whom he termed his “own people”— diplomats.



He said: “We come and spend a few years here. We have our little vanity projects. We compete between the different embassies... who has got the best media strategies, who has the fanciest party. “We inhabit a little exclusive world of self-congratulatory circularity. We occasionally make carefully planned forays into pre-sanitised so-called ‘hotspots’ before we retreat behind the high wall of our embassies.





“And how many of us diplomats can honestly say we have done anything to change the world that Jadel Holder was born into?” Snell asked. He said it was far easier to bemoan the state of the nation at dinner parties and then simply move on.





No escape for politicians

On politicians, Snell asked what example they were setting and to what extent responsibility resonated with the political class. “In the Westminster Parliament, we used to talk of political decisions being made behind closed doors in smoke-filled rooms. In this country it seems that a different sort of activity goes on in smoke-filled rooms,” Snell said. He said he had lived in T&T for just over three years and had devoted a considerable amount of time understanding the politics.



“But I am genuinely unable to discern any distinctive policy of any major political grouping in this country beyond ‘when we are in power we look after our people.’ As far as I can tell that seems high on the manifesto,” Snell said.

[bignog]

Why all who feeling so sorry for the two boys take them in their home an mine them an teach dem the right ways .........dem two done pass on ......it have plenty more in the country go find them an rehabilitate dem ......clearly it easier to type yuh advice here than to act ........all who want to go ah dance an brush for KFC make sure the man could stay an mine he water whe he throw .........the truth eh nice eh ......but we trini love to play ah mad roll ....let them so brace yuh daughter/mother/wife in a dark room /hog tied an getting rape ah hope yuh could forgive ..........me ah say kill em all / let god sort them out

[Slartibartfast]

Slartibartfast better yuh make a rap song outta yuh post. Maybe tuner might understand the issue better.

I feel so. I accepting sponsorship from Digicall, Cmobile or anybody that willing to give me an evo or skyline (must have a 3ne 2nr sticker on the back windscreen)

yes i understand you speak about correcting the social ills of society, but YOU can't really do that.
No matter what you try, no single user or even group of people on this site is capable of doing that.

only the government has the money and manpower to solve that.

Again, you raise a good point. No one person, or group of people can do anything to stop it. I also believe that the best the government can do (with unlimited money and manpower) is facilitate the solution. They can't solve it by themselves. Everybody have to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. Forget what the bible says about reward, I've learned that doing good hardly ever rewards you or comes back around. It makes no logical sense to do good for profit or self preservation. But it needs to be done.

It's like that old proverb "No snowflake feels responsible for an avalanche"

if two kids under the age of 12, come into your house and point guns at your family members, or they run up on you by your car window when you going to work/home whatever and you in a position to cut them down...

what would be your move?
you gonna study how young they are?

Almost anyone here would shoot. That's self defense. And even then you would shoot at centre mass (chest and torso) to injure them and stop the attack, not to kill. These children were executed. The result may be the same (2 kids dead) but the implications will be worlds apart.

[Chimera]

on another note

if criminals start DYING, you don't think it will help?


say a group of 10 padnas is real pests, always robbing people houses, pickpocketing, robbing them in pos etc. all young fellas, 8-15 years old

one day, someone walk in and execute two of them. shoot another in his leg and tell him to tell his other 7 padnas what happen and to stop they sheit if they know what good for them.


how you honestly think some of the other padnas going to react?

[Slartibartfast]

What's to stop them from killing the vigilante and/or hurting those close to him. Violence begets violence. That's like one of the central plots to every super hero movie ever.

[Chimera]

that's why the vigilante wears a hood/mask

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

[Slartibartfast]

All it takes is for one man to spot him and call all his partners. They surround him and shoot him up (maybe best to corner him so they don't shoot each other). An alternative is to just follow him. He have to eat and sleep sometime. Not to mention police will stop him and still charge him for murder.

Now the only way around this is if the vigilante is in the protective services. But then you are leaving the executions fully up to the discretion of one man. How can you be sure that he will always do what is right and never let the power of taking a man's life go to his head. This may be a small patch for one problem but it ends up creating more. I could go on and on...

[pioneer]

LOL@ neckbeards sayin it's "our" fault these goons turn to crime.

[RIPEBREDFRUIT]

bandit is bandit.
if some stupid 9 yr old were to walk up to me with a gun........... man oh man id be sorry for his arse, I would literally beat that lil fker to a point that he would NEVER ever want to rob anyone ever again.
break every arm and leg and collar bones....... oh he would have quite a long time to think about ever doing that again........

[bluesteel29]

bandit is bandit.
if some stupid 9 yr old were to walk up to me with a gun........... man oh man id be sorry for his arse, I would literally beat that lil fker to a point that he would NEVER ever want to rob anyone ever again.
break every arm and leg and collar bones....... oh he would have quite a long time to think about ever doing that again........

k

[bluefete]

Victorian England - Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens.

It will give some perspective.

We are evolving slowly.

[Fearless]

i realize a lot of you guys have no idea what really happens in these communities. ABA Trading if you honestly think that's how you could go about getting a gun then you really don't have a clue of what happens you probably just hear stories.
But the point i was trying to make is, how the hell a 9yr old or even the 15 yr old getting $9000 to buy a gun.
lets say what you saying is correct they did robberies and save to buy a gun(lol) gone to their neighborhood pusher to source one. In your world the pusher will source it for them. In the real world they will get some clout, and the pusher would take there money.
THE ONLY WAY THEM YOUTH MEN GETTING A GUN, IS IF SOMEONE GIVE IT TO THEM plain and simple. Give it to them why? because there are children and as VII said, they are easy to manipulate or intimidate and they could do exactly what the person who give them the gun don't want to do himself.
I hope you see my point.
Another thing you say that grab my attention

on another note

if criminals start DYING, you don't think it will help?


say a group of 10 padnas is real pests, always robbing people houses, pickpocketing, robbing them in pos etc. all young fellas, 8-15 years old

one day, someone walk in and execute two of them. shoot another in his leg and tell him to tell his other 7 padnas what happen and to stop they sheit if they know what good for them.


how you honestly think some of the other padnas going to react?

I honestly agree with this to an extent, because i've seen this work on several occasions.
but on a different note, this is also done so that the other partners would join the gang. basically if you'll don't join we gang, this is what go happen to you'll(lynching nah). I not saying that is the case with this situation but i saying it could be a possibility.

[Chimera]

i realize a lot of you guys have no idea what really happens in these communities. ABA Trading if you honestly think that's how you could go about getting a gun then you really don't have a clue of what happens you probably just hear stories.
But the point i was trying to make is, how the hell a 9yr old or even the 15 yr old getting $9000 to buy a gun.
lets say what you saying is correct they did robberies and save to buy a gun(lol) gone to their neighborhood pusher to source one. In your world the pusher will source it for them. In the real world they will get some clout, and the pusher would take there money.
THE ONLY WAY THEM YOUTH MEN GETTING A GUN, IS IF SOMEONE GIVE IT TO THEM plain and simple. Give it to them why? because there are children and as VII said, they are easy to manipulate or intimidate and they could do exactly what the person who give them the gun don't want to do himself.

my example was so that ANYONE could get a gun, i meant anyone in the legit world could easily get an illegal gun.


the example won't hold the same for someone already in a life of crime

and my examples are from what i've seen, not from "stories i've heard"

[toyolink]

The discussion (including arguments) truly reflect the difficulties a community/society has to face in order to come up with a way forward.
What is unfortunate,is the inability to sustain the interaction into the realm of coming up with agreed imperatives which all concerned are willing to buy into ....objective being to stop the downward spiral.
Good people,history has shown are now in the minority and by definition are the ones to take responsibility for fueling change even if ridicule and pain may be the pay-back in the short term.
This might be the greatest battle our country is now facing and like it or not we all are in the firing line (as we all know).
The 'soul' of our great land is slowly evaporating into nothingness.