Ukraine Crisis / Russian Invasion

[shogun]

I don't think Obama wants to involve the US in yet another shooting war...with Russia least of all, over Ukraine.

Unless he can demonstrate directly how US interests are being affected, Congress and the populace will be having none of it.

Russia is no pushover like Iraq, or Afghanistan... there WILL be lots of 'deding'.

It's unlikely the US will become militarily involved in this.

Actually the smartest move is to watch this play out without becoming militarily involved, as this could all backfire in Putin's face.

You have Putin’s spokesman continuing to claim Sunday that Russia “respected Ukraine’s territorial integrity.” Acknowledging they are interfering in it's sovereignty. More than a decade of peace, not to mention political and economic stability might be at stake for Putin as well.

[Daran]

You ask don't realize Russia is simply exercising it's power and flaunting UN and NATO policies. They're trying to rebuild the USSR slowly and admittedly smartly.


Obama doesn't dare step on Russia's foot, the US maybe the Supreme superpower but Russia is too big to mess with and the US may very well sacrifice Ukraine this round. However, they will try to undermine Putin this.

[adnj]

I have to say that it looks like the ousted Ukranian President was trying to change the government in his country before he was replaced.

I don't believe that Ukraine is i either NATO or the Russia-led Collective Security Treaty Organization. Both have a military imperative for peace in Europe.

If the deposed president was pushing for new presidential elections, a reorganization of parliament and asked for Russian involvement as a security force during the transition, this might just have to play out.

[Daran]

WW3 begins, Romney saw this coming

[killercow]

Ukraine crisis: Russia tests missile amid Crimea tension

US Secretary of State John Kerry: "The US will stand with the Ukrainian people"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26442381

[1UZFE]

Really tawt Putin changed over the years, but this move is pure agression.
Really hope good sense prevails because the repercussions of a WW or even smaller could drastically effect a small economy like ours.
Thinking about it isnt Russia aligned with some UAE nations?

[DrunkenMaster16]

Yup! Iran mainly but they do have interests in other arab states... Not to mention china, north korea...

[shogun]

This video, clipped by the Daily Beast on Wednesday, shows something quite remarkable: Liz Wahl, an American anchor at the Russian network RT's D.C. bureau, quitting live on air.

According to Wahl, she came to her decision following the apparent Russian intervention in Crimea and Ukraine. RT, an international television news organization funded by the Russian state and formerly known as Russia Today, has been accused of portraying a pro-Kremlin slant on the situation in Crimea.
Wahl, an American who says she is of Filipina-Hungarian descent, isn't the first RT host to criticize the station's coverage. Yesterday, Abby Martin, a host on RT America's "Breaking the Set," ended the show with a monologue that clearly criticized Russia's actions in Ukraine. "What Russia did is wrong," Martin said.
RT later released a statement saying that they respected Martin's views and she would not be reprimanded. Martin was initially praised by many, though later people were a little less sure of her virtue: The New Republic pointed out that she had formed a "9/11 truther group in San Diego" before her RT job.
Don't count on an exodus yet, but it certainly seems clear that Wahl was inspired by Martin, and others may be inspired by Wahl. RT probably shouldn't have been surprised by Wahl's decision.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor ... in-crimea/

This kinda thing is expected.... but still funny though.

[redmanjp]

Russia and germany gonna do their thing normal normal. America gonna beat up. Third world war in ah timing.
Source: Rum shop

actually u probably right- u know several mths ago i was reading on some website how WW3 would start with Russia

[redmanjp]

check out this google search for 2011-2013

https://www.google.tt/search?q=%E2%80%9CThe+participants+of+the+meeting+also+unveiled+the+date+for+the+beginning+of+Third+World+War.&client=firefox-a&hs=HDG&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=rcs&sa=X&ei=6IQYU7yKDdL6kQesroCIDQ&ved=0CBcQpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2010%2Ccd_max%3A2013&tbm=

[carmelo]

this war is only about one thing oil and gas, look at what is happening to venezuela right now my thing is the US govt cant be playing holier than thou when they are responsible or had a hand in several civil atrocities which have taken place in several countries around the world through the ambit of foreign policy. when american invaded iraq, afghanistan under the premise of just cause wasnt this a violation of a thier sovereignity? the american economy is through the roof in debt another war will just create another boom for them so why not fan the flames provoke russia to force thier hand. the writing is clear and present for all to see

[DFC]

I'm hoping war breaks out.

[nemisis]

I'm hoping war breaks out.

simple minds yes

[DFC]

I'm hoping war breaks out.

simple minds yes

didnt expect you to understand, phaggot.

[nemisis]

I'm hoping war breaks out.

simple minds yes

didnt expect you to understand, phaggot.

wow such butt hurt

[bluefete]

[stev]

I'm hoping war breaks out.

simple minds yes

yes...war is bad, but it is also good as well (to a point).

eg. the biggest advancements in human technology was as a result of war.

[nemisis]

I'm hoping war breaks out.

simple minds yes

yes...war is bad, but it is also good as well (to a point).

eg. the biggest advancements in human technology was as a result of war.

not disputing that but to wish for it......

[bluefete]

I'm hoping war breaks out.

simple minds yes

yes...war is bad, but it is also good as well (to a point).

eg. the biggest advancements in human technology was as a result of war.

not disputing that but to wish for it......

^^ Agreed. There is a saying in life "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it"

[nareshseep]

Brush up on your espanol folks.

[redmanjp]

prophetic

http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal/25-03-2011/117328-third_world_war-0/

Third World War to begin during Winter Games in 2014
25.03.2011

On March 24, well-known Russian astrologists, shamans and parapsychologists gathered to discuss forecasts for near and distant future.

"The phenomenon that they call the world financial crisis, and which, as they believe, is now ending, was not the financial crisis per se. It was just an omen of the imminent crisis. The real financial crisis is going to take place in the future," astrologist Aleksei Kolov said in the beginning of the meeting.

The most impressive astrological forecast was made by Pavel Globa: "Many attack me now claiming that I was promising Russia a quiet year. What kind of quiet year is it if earthquakes rattle Japan. But Japan is not Russia. There will be wars in the world this year, but everything will be fine in our country, except for the summer. The summer is going to be tough: there will be three eclipses in a row in June-July. This year, there will be six eclipses in total. We had such a catastrophic year as this one 20 years ago, when the Soviet Union collapsed," the astrologist said.

Eclipses will cause a lot of trouble this year, Globa warned. By the moment of the latest one, which is going to take place on December 10, armed conflicts will occur on the Balkans. Terrorists will plant a bomb at the Nobel Prize award ceremony.

According to Globa, this year can be compared to 1939 - the year preceding WWII, from the point of view of astrological data.

The participants of the meeting also unveiled the date for the beginning of Third World War. The new war is said to begin in March of 2014, during the Olympic Games in Sochi. It is also possible that the war may start five days after the Games end. Globa did not say in which country exactly the war would begin. He only said that the African revolutions would slowly be moving towards Russia. Massive protests will eventually spark in Central Asia, the astrologist said. According to Globa, such events are happening because of the Black Moon. NATO attacked Libya the day when the Black Moon allied itself with the sun. When the Black Moon allied itself with Uranus, the Japanese earthquake occurred.

In the nearest future, one shall expect revolutions in Syria and Yemen. The Yemeni leader will be toppled only in three years, though. Algeria will be the luckiest country among them all: the riots there will not last long.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

^^

On March 24, well-known Russian astrologists

Stopped reading from that point on. Especially since Dr Richard Dawkins has made it crystal clear that people who believe in astrology, the devil and the earth being flat/5000 years old are mentally ill.

[killercow]

"Vladimir Putin has obtained parliamentary approval for troop deployments not just in Crimea, but Ukraine as a whole."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26367786

[janfar]

Time for everyone to return to the motherland...

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Why does everyone start talking WW3? Ukraine has no allies that will support it militarily. None. They are not part of any arrangement with any other country for that type of support. Russia and Ukraine start a fight and it would basically be just between themselves.

[killercow]

Why does everyone start talking WW3? Ukraine has no allies that will support it militarily. None. They are not part of any arrangement with any other country for that type of support. Russia and Ukraine start a fight and it would basically be just between themselves.

On the contrary Ukraine has many allies that will offer military support if needed due to a number
of reasons, a primary one being UN / NATO policies. But because no one has actually started fighting yet, offering such support is not required at this time. Some nations such as the US have already
made it clear that it will stand by Ukraine regardless but I think you're missing the bigger point.

It's not that Ukraine has no allies; the real issue is that no one wants to stand against Russia
if a war does start.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Why does everyone start talking WW3? Ukraine has no allies that will support it militarily. None. They are not part of any arrangement with any other country for that type of support. Russia and Ukraine start a fight and it would basically be just between themselves.

On the contrary Ukraine has many allies that will offer military support if needed due to a number
of reasons, a primary one being UN / NATO policies. But because no one has actually started fighting yet, offering such support is not required at this time. Some nations such as the US have already
made it clear that it will stand by Ukraine regardless but I think you're missing the bigger point.

It's not that Ukraine has no allies; the real issue is that no one wants to stand against Russia
if a war does start.

I didn't say Ukraine has no allies. I said Ukraine has no allies that will back it up militarily and that goes for NATO as well. The membership they have with NATO does not cover military events.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26421703

"Ukraine is also on its own. It is certainly a partner country of Nato but it has none of the security guarantees that membership of the Atlantic Alliance would bring. There is simply no question of Nato becoming militarily involved in this crisis."

Also the US will use sanctions and rhetoric and that's it. The US will never come out and say they won't stand by Ukraine either so them saying they will stand by Ukraine is nothing but pretty tough talk but up to a point.

[shogun]

After Russia's military occupation of the Ukrainian region of Crimea over the weekend, a lot of analysts are trying to gaze into Russian President Vladimir Putin's psyche. (A senior Obama administration official unkindly told The Hill that "we in this administration have made it a practice not to look into Vladimir Putin's soul.") But at least one world leader seems to think Putin isn't firmly anchored in reality. Here's Peter Baker at The New York Times:

Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany told Mr. Obama by telephone on Sunday that after speaking with Mr. Putin she was not sure he was in touch with reality, people briefed on the call said. "In another world," she said. [New York Times]

The world of modern diplomacy is premised on the belief that, saber-rattling and propaganda aside, world leaders are basically rational actors whose behaviors are subject to incentives and credible threats. A lot of what happens next in Ukraine may be riding on whether or not Merkel is correct. Or maybe some nuance was just lost in translation.

http://theweek.com/article/index/257259 ... ther-world

[killercow]

I didn't say Ukraine has no allies. I said Ukraine has no allies that will back it up militarily and that goes for NATO as well. The membership they have with NATO does not cover military events.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26421703

"Ukraine is also on its own. It is certainly a partner country of Nato but it has none of the security guarantees that membership of the Atlantic Alliance would bring. There is simply no question of Nato becoming militarily involved in this crisis."

Also the US will use sanctions and rhetoric and that's it. The US will never come out and say they won't stand by Ukraine either so them saying they will stand by Ukraine is nothing but pretty tough talk but up to a point.

Well that's pretty much true. Unlike Iraq & Afghanistan the US can't tell Russia what to do or else. Then again if unfortunately a war starts there's no telling what may happen regardless of any treaties / policies. I'm pretty certain though no one will get involved until it directly starts affecting them. (Pretty much like WWII)

[DFC]

world has too much people.

we are overdue for a war.