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Postby janfar » September 12th, 2013, 12:22 pm

OUTGUNNED

Gangsters’ firepower greater than that of cops

By Mark Bassant CCN Senior Multimedia Investigative Journalist



Story Created: Sep 11, 2013 at 11:36 PM ECT
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Story Updated: Sep 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM ECT )

GANGSTERS are brandishing far superior high-tech weapons than the police and other law enforcement agencies in this country.

Photographs obtained by TV6’s news investigative team from well-placed intelligence sources show three young men posing with these weapons.

Two of the men are holding two of the guns in their hands, while the next man with a thick gold chain is holding one in his hand.

In another photograph the man with the gold chain is sitting on a rock and has two guns on his lap and two in his hands. All the guns in the picture appear spanking new.

These photographs were taken in late June this year in the Laventille area and have raised major concerns in law enforcement circles as they grapple with the homicide rate that has escalated in this area in the last two months.

Sources at the police Crime and Problem Analysis Branch said at least 85 per cent of the homicides for the year are gun-related.

The reason for this mounting concern is the firepower that these gangsters are packing. The guns in the pictures are no ordinary guns. They are in fact AR-15 guns. This semi-automatic weapon in the hands of proven criminals can do serious damage.

Allison Hamilton, assistant secretary of the Trinidad Rifle Association, who has expertise about these weapons shared his insight. “What I know is that they are used by the US army and a lot of other armies around the world so they are serious weapons of war. For weapons like that to be in the hands of people on the street is a frightening situation.”

The AR-15’s firing capacity lives up to its menacing appearance. This semi-automatic weapon fires one round per pull of the trigger before reloading itself. So while it cannot unleash a hail of bullets like a fully automatic weapon, it can fire as quickly as the gunman can pull the trigger.

This was in fact the exact weapon used by alleged shooter James Holmes in the Colorado theatre shooting at the premiere of the Dark Knight on July 20 last year in which 12 people were killed and more than 70 injured.

“We have tangible evidence to suggest the gangsters in the hills of Laventille are using these weapons to zone in on targets in the East Port of Spain area,” the source said.

Residents along Nelson and Duncan Streets also claim that while they are out in the yard among the buildings they are shot at, and even showed bullet hole impressions left in the walls. “Children are playing here sometimes and they start to shoot at us,” said one woman who didn’t want to be named.

Several gun experts online describe this weapon as “rugged, reliable, portable and accurate”.

Intelligence police sources say gangsters here use two different types of ammunition with the AR-15, with either one having deadly consequences.

“The .556 have something like a .22 projectile and .762 have something like a 9mm projectile, the effective distance of the .762 is a lot further than the .556 but both are equally damaging to its target,”explained Hamilton.

The fragmentation of these ammunition can do greater damage to humans internally, travelling at a higher velocity, Hamilton pointed out.
We showed the photographs of the high powered rifles to acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams who appeared taken aback by the weapons.

“Those weapons hitting the streets of Trinidad and Tobago also provide this kind of shocking impact to me having to lead an organisation where my officers are out there and have to be confronted with that kind of fire power by criminal elements,” he said.

A testimony to the Commissioner’s words came in May this year following the John John protests. Intelligence sources revealed to TV6 News that gangsters warned police not to venture up the tracks and other areas since they would be “sniped” by shooters.

To date, according to Williams, the police have recovered 232 firearms and though he views this as a high number, in his books it is still not enough.

In fact, in police gun seizures for the year they never once came upon a weapon like the AR-15,Williams indicated. Intelligence sources are convinced these specific weapons are not only coming from South America but also directly from the USA, since these kind of weapons can be easily broken down and concealed for shipment.

The mere fact that the police aren’t able to find these guns is worrisome and terrifying said the top cop. “The critical thing when we look at weapons like those is about getting them off the streets because weapons like those could hurt this country big time, the flow of blood which can be generated through the use of anyone of those weapons could be massive and disastrous,” said Williams as he shifted uneasily in his chair.

But the question really is how these guns are getting into the country and what’s the deal on the streets?

Williams said they are planning to tighten up security at the sea ports and airports as they attempt to clamp down on contraband entering the country.

But one crime boss along the East West corridor speaking to us on the condition that he concealed his identity, did not sugar coat his underworld dealings with guns,drugs and other nefarious activities.

“We have AR-15s, AKs, nines we dealing with. We don’t sell our gun, that is to protect we self and we turf.”

• TOMORROW: PART 2—The crime boss tells us his tale of gun running, crooked cops and why the gang war will never end.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Cri ... 02291.html

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby speedmelter » September 12th, 2013, 12:25 pm

lol...

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby pioneer » September 12th, 2013, 12:38 pm

Not really...police and soldiers have some pretty high powered rifles themselves

If only they would stop firing them in the air

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby jusme » September 12th, 2013, 12:41 pm

They're evenly matched in the weapons department. Gangstas just have home court advantage.
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Postby pioneer » September 12th, 2013, 12:41 pm

And LOL@ "crime boss"

Real organised criminals never reveal anything about their lives.

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby janfar » September 12th, 2013, 12:42 pm

What is our regiment equiped with?

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Postby pioneer » September 12th, 2013, 12:44 pm

Saw some task force in POS with M4 Carbines

I really do chuckle when police find "guns" and is some ole rusty WWII guns or home made chit.

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Postby toyolink » September 12th, 2013, 12:45 pm

The existence of a violent sub culture is undeniable and sad for all concerned.
The citizens who elect to exist in a world driven by terror ends their hope of mental and physical freedom,thus they too are victims of their folly.
There are no winners here and the illusion of success and power is diminished by the reality of insecurity and loss of the opportunity to enjoy a peaceful existence.

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Postby rfari » September 12th, 2013, 12:48 pm

We showed the photographs of the high powered rifles to acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams who appeared taken aback by the weapons.

Failure yes. Desk police ftl

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Postby AllTrac » September 12th, 2013, 12:50 pm

rfari wrote:
We showed the photographs of the high powered rifles to acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams who appeared taken aback by the weapons.

Failure yes. Desk police ftl



nah nah i eh like how u labeling meh pardna RS so eh

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby toyolink » September 12th, 2013, 12:58 pm

I had great hopes for the Commissioner when he was appointed.
Alas,he seems to be in hibernation only to be awakened when there is need to defend why he should stay in office.
He has taken the policy of non interference to a new absurd extreme and almost always doesnt appear aware of what we have on the ground.
I really hope that I am wrong and he ....is only playing dead to catch corbeau alive.......but it taking soooooo loooonnng.

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Postby rfari » September 12th, 2013, 12:58 pm

Ogoar. Not.me and rs this hour nah. He rell biting dese days

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Postby greenlantern12 » September 12th, 2013, 1:05 pm

pioneer wrote:Saw some task force in POS with M4 Carbines

I really do chuckle when police find "guns" and is some ole rusty WWII guns or home made chit.
what you saw in pos was not task force officer they are Nsop officer formally sautt and the weapons they had were not m4 carbines they were vectors

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Postby Hyperion » September 12th, 2013, 1:50 pm

Our military and police carry the Israeli made Galil. it is based on the AK concept, very reliable, easy to field strip and fix. Some units carrying weapons from SAUTT armoury, like the HK G36. They are all 5.56mm, similar to the .223 caliber that the AR15 uses that them men was posing with.

Army have L1A1 Self loading rifles too (SLR), in heaiver 7.62 mm caliber. But this caliber is being frowned upon by the UN because of it's power. So the police and soldiers not outgunned per se, but what is worrying is the these fellas actually matching their firepower.

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby pioneer » September 12th, 2013, 1:58 pm

greenlantern12 wrote:
pioneer wrote:Saw some task force in POS with M4 Carbines

I really do chuckle when police find "guns" and is some ole rusty WWII guns or home made chit.
what you saw in pos was not task force officer they are Nsop officer formally sautt and the weapons they had were not m4 carbines they were vectors


Pics?...they were moving too quick

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Postby rfari » September 12th, 2013, 2:01 pm

xfactor wrote:Our military and police carry the Israeli made Galil. it is based on the AK concept, very reliable, easy to field strip and fix. Some units carrying weapons from SAUTT armoury, like the HK G36. They are all 5.56mm, similar to the .223 caliber that the AR15 uses that them men was posing with.

Army have L1A1 Self loading rifles too (SLR), in heaiver 7.62 mm caliber. But this caliber is being frowned upon by the UN because of it's power. So the police and soldiers not outgunned per se, but what is worrying is the these fellas actually matching their firepower.

Nice nice. Buh why they prefer to shoot the sky tho?

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby Redman » September 12th, 2013, 2:02 pm

Ironically YESTERDAY Smith and Wesson were demonstrating the M&P 15 which is similar to the AR 15 platform to TTDF TTPS TTCG

Coincedence?
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Postby Mr. Red Sleeper » September 12th, 2013, 2:09 pm

pioneer wrote:And LOL@ "crime boss"

Real organised criminals never reveal anything about their lives.

Bosses outside and what we see on TV compared to Bosses here are different because of the incessant need of our locals across the board, for recognition and bragging rights.

Apart from that, they're still crime bosses.

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Postby AllTrac » September 12th, 2013, 2:12 pm

rfari wrote:
xfactor wrote:Our military and police carry the Israeli made Galil. it is based on the AK concept, very reliable, easy to field strip and fix. Some units carrying weapons from SAUTT armoury, like the HK G36. They are all 5.56mm, similar to the .223 caliber that the AR15 uses that them men was posing with.

Army have L1A1 Self loading rifles too (SLR), in heaiver 7.62 mm caliber. But this caliber is being frowned upon by the UN because of it's power. So the police and soldiers not outgunned per se, but what is worrying is the these fellas actually matching their firepower.

Nice nice. Buh why they prefer to shoot the sky tho?



rofl :lol: :lol:

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby 4a70 » September 12th, 2013, 2:21 pm

All this is worrying but if trinis were allowed to bear arms like us citizens things may be different citizens wont have to rely on police to protect them......

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Postby pioneer » September 12th, 2013, 2:22 pm

So den all ah dem mammy an chile mudda eh go beatup when police put ah wettin on dem right?


right?

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby speedist » September 12th, 2013, 2:23 pm

Local police supposed to have all the hi tech weaponry but I think they need clearance to use it? Private security firms seem to have more firepower.

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Postby [X]~Outlaw » September 12th, 2013, 2:27 pm

LOL @ talking about the AR-15 as if its something special

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Postby wagonrunner » September 12th, 2013, 2:32 pm

what murk bussunt really write here?

"The AR-15’s firing capacity lives up to its menacing appearance. This semi-automatic weapon fires one round per pull of the trigger before reloading itself. So while it cannot unleash a hail of bullets like a fully automatic weapon, it can fire as quickly as the gunman can pull the trigger. "

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby PapaC » September 12th, 2013, 2:44 pm

I alaways used to hear about people saying these gangsters also get their weapons from leaks in our own protective forces.
Probably the gangsters geting those weapons right here...

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Postby DrunkenMaster16 » September 12th, 2013, 2:48 pm

Wait till they see a rpg...

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » September 12th, 2013, 2:52 pm

police using ah set ah noise makers,coughs MP5

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Re: Outgunned.

Postby 16 cycles » September 12th, 2013, 3:12 pm

people offering opinions on guns they've handled and shot in real life or in video games?

i respect even home made guns....gunpowder too...

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Postby pioneer » September 12th, 2013, 3:15 pm

dem talk bout gun an dunno bout nun

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Postby skylinechild » September 12th, 2013, 3:34 pm

janfar wrote:What is our regiment equiped with?

rubber bands and paper planes....also sugar and spice and everything nice.... :|

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