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BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby carfreak1024 » June 12th, 2013, 2:03 am

Well I have been absent from the forum now for about a year focusing mainly on getting my degree. Consequently I have been driving around with maybe the worst sounding setup i have ever had. Way too many highs, and its missing alot of vocal range and the obvious low end rumble that i have come to appreciate from systems i had before. Then the front mid-ranges started to cut in and out on me with the tweeter still playing and it became unbearable so I decided to take on a little upgrade.

I am still a college student on a tight budget so Equipment is going to come in as i can afford it and thus far this is all that i can afford, lol!

Full System Plan:
(2) Arc Audio ACS Tweeters some may know it as the Rainbow CAL25
(2) JBL GT4203 4" Component Mid-Ranges in the Stock Locations
(2) JBL GTO1514 Subwoofers in Infinite Baffle
(1) JBL PX300.4 Powering Underseats and Component Midranges
(1) JBL BPX500.1 on Subwoofer Duty
(2) Factory 8" Underseat Midbasses
(1) Audison BitTen Processing Everything

What I Have Presently:
(2) Arc Audio ACS Tweeters some may know it as the Rainbow CAL25
(2) JBL GT4203 4" Component Mid-Ranges in the Stock Locations
(1) JBL PX300.4 Powering Underseats and Component Midranges
(1) JBL BPX500.1 on Subwoofer Duty
(2) Factory 8" Underseat Midbasses

Why i decided on an infinite baffle setup?
A few things came into mind. Firstly: I pretty much know that this setup is not going to be as loud as what i had before or anywhere near it for that matter. Secondly: I've always wanted to do it. Thirdly: This car is so well sealed from the trunk area that it basically is almost 100% ready for such an install. Last but not least: This car is RWD and has about 240hp with the little mods that i have done to her. I like to get her sideways in the rain, and the last thing i need is a box flying around in the trunk, plus the limited amount of trunk space that i am losing is like a godsend.

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"late nights, rain, parking lots, and a BMW" recipe for drifts!

I am not set on this 100% but i plan on using the Audison BitTen as it allows me to take the signals directly from the factory amp in the rear of the car and automatically de-equalize it to a flat response combining the factory equalized and crossed over front mid-ranges, mid-bass, and tweeters. From there i can set my own crossover points for the new equipment and in the process keep the factory Bluetooth, stock appearing interior, and Satellite radio and so on.

I decided on these Mid-Ranges as they were first relatively inexpensive, and they fit the required mounting depth i needed of 50mm or ~<2". Plus, they were so cheap that if they do not work out the money i spent on them would not really bother me that much.

Anyways All i have come to do so far was install the Components up front so here are some of those pics.

Christmas on the Dining Table:
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GT42 Midbass:
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CAL25 Tweeters:
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********German Tweets for a German Car

Replacing Stock Tweeter:
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********These tweeters just dropped right in without an issue
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********Weatherproofing Foam Even Went back in without an issue!

Installing The Mid-Ranges:
This proved to be alot more difficult than installing the tweeters as the factory midranges are mounted directly to the door card and have a different bolt pattern than any other speaker out there. Nothing I couldn't handle, but something that was a little more involved than the tweeters.
To install them i ripped the original speaker cone and suspension off of the original speaker, I then used a dremel with a rotary bit and cut away the structure of the midrange from the original suspension landing. This left me with a ring basically that was able to bolt directly to the door card but the a 4" cutout in the middle just large enough for the JBL midwoofer to shimmy into place without a single gap sealing against the back of the door card on the edge where the JBL suspension meets its landing. Enough Talk Here are the pics.

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Do not attempt any work on a BMW unless you own a significantly sized collection of these!

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Removed 4 screws on the passenger side, and 3 on the driver side all positioned behind the wood trim on the driver door, with the addition of one behind the "oh sh!t" handle on the passenger door.

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Here is the mounting ring cut out from the original speaker. I tried to retain the factory plug so that i did not have to cut any of the factory wires in the door but that created an issue with the speaker fitting into the trim ring, it was that tight of a fit. Which is always good.

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So i had to do a little wiring, which is just temporary until i get the passives for the CAL 25 on the next trip that my dad is making. Here you see the factory wire coming into the door blue/white and blue/black tied together with the tweeter wire and inline passive green/black, green/white then but connected to the mid-range grey/white grey/black. The mid has an inline lowpass built onto the speaker itself. When i get the ACS passives all the current passives i have on now will come off but for now they stay on.

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Here you can see the mid-range bolted into the door card as well as the built on crossover for the mid. I used the quick disconnect connectors instead of soldering the wire directly onto the speaker because i had a window regulator fail on me and if it can happen to one door it can happen to another and i would like to still be able to remove the door card if that occasion arose.

Bolted door panel back on after installing it all and stuck the JBL Insignia on the speaker grill using some butyl tape!
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That's all i got now........kinda! The amps are already installed in a different configuration, and i have an additional 2kwrms powering a 12 that i dont plan on using but it fills the low end temporarily.

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby carfreak1024 » June 12th, 2013, 2:19 am

BTW from just doing the swap on the midranges and tweeters i already hear i huge difference in the tonality of the system. The vocals are alot more pronounced than they ever wear, the sound is less fatiguing, and the lower vocals play alot stronger. I can only imagine what will happen when i process and power them properly. And add in the 2 15s! Subsonics here i come!

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby wanted » June 12th, 2013, 8:21 am

Loving the install so far Chris, please let us know what other guys in your area are using in their car eg. processors, mid-woofers and tweets. How do you find people(DIY) builds are up there compared to us in Trini.

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby carfreak1024 » June 12th, 2013, 11:49 am

Where i am located, no one really does car audio installs. I've lived here combined for a total of 5 years and in those 5 years i have seen 6 audio installs. I did 5 of them. And the 6th was a build onto one of the five that i did. the guy went a little bit into the realm of the extreme. I'm talking 6kUS in labor and about half that in product. Installer kept the subs and box i built for 2 10s but redid the entire trunk floor and doors.

But i think the reason for the lack of that kinda stuff in my area is one: it is a really posh area and posh people think that is like taboo, two: people around here are more concerned with what you drive than anything else. I mean i go to school and the students are driving Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, and they love the Maseratis. Must be at least 10 or 12 in school. I've even seen a veyron one time when hanging out with my friends on the ave. Car audio i guess just got left behind in the wake of exotic cars, and fast cars.

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby kavaninho » June 12th, 2013, 3:14 pm

Nice project going on there man. Liking how you retaining your factory locations fr the 3-way.
Looking forward for more pics :) .

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby carfreak1024 » June 12th, 2013, 3:54 pm

yeah i wanna get some more done, but the weather here has been horrible for the past few weeks. Its either 90 degrees out or raining like hell. When i get some more good weather in and the rest of the equipment i want to do some more. The next phase is going to be the IB build, lucky for me the subs are cheap so i should have them by mid month next month.

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Postby kavaninho » June 12th, 2013, 10:28 pm

how and where you plan on mounting the subs?

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Postby carfreak1024 » June 17th, 2013, 1:18 am

kavaninho wrote:how and where you plan on mounting the subs?


I've been a bit busy with school these days so i haven't been able to get on here. To answer your question i do not have any concrete plans as of yet. But the baffle is going to be made out of 3" thick material. The material has not been decided on yet, i am not sure where i should use 3 1" slabs of MDF laminated together or 1 3" thick piece of solid wood that would match the cars interior wood trim.

The mounting position for the sub-woofers is going to be just to the front of the rear shock towers. I chose this position more for convenience to service the vehicle than for sound. This space is 2" from the rear of the backseats at the top and about 8" from the rear of the backseats at the bottom. This leaves ~0.998 Cubic Feet to the front of the baffle and 13 Cubic Feet behind it.

On other news, I came across a really good deal on a Bit Ten D and almost bought it. But before i went to get it I did some further research and i think i might go with a different processor for a few reasons. I'll have to give this thing a good bit more thought before i pull any new triggers.

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby wanted » June 17th, 2013, 7:21 am

I don't think you can make a mistake in buying a Bit 10 or Bit 1. Need more pic and updates!

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby ste4lthy » June 18th, 2013, 1:46 am

Looking awesome so far! loving the clean work :)

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby toyotarulez » June 24th, 2013, 6:37 pm

Look Into A Mosconi 6to8 Processor

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby nigel1977 » July 3rd, 2013, 1:34 pm

The Zapco DSP is an awesome unit. The gui is certainly far superior.

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby SQ Audio » July 3rd, 2013, 11:09 pm

^^^ ZAPCO ^^^ Try it...you'll like it...they will be in stock soon...sold out at the moment...

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby carfreak1024 » July 4th, 2013, 9:22 pm

Well the whole reason that I am going into a different processor now is that i want an 8 channel processor. What I recently fooled around with and liked is the Rockford 360.3. I know of a small shop around my area that barely had any equipment in stock but does a lot of custom installs and the owner is from Jamaica. He recently did a custom install in a Pontiac and used a Rockford 3sixty.3 and I got to play around with the interface and to be honest it is perfect fo what I want it for. It takes balanced inputs and can output unbalanced signals, the interface on the laptop is great and easy to follow, it has more equalization than one could ever want in a dsp and he can get me a sweet deal on one maybe for less than 400 with warranty. In my book that's a great deal though I have read some reviews that the interface is tricky with some computers he didn't seem to share any of those issues himself when he did the install and my personal experience with it was great.

Unfortunately though I have had some grown people problems with the household this past month and as such I have to put the build on hold. In a month or 2 i will try to pick it back up again. Until then I am gonna be rolling around with no processing.

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Postby carfreak1024 » July 4th, 2013, 9:24 pm

SQ Audio wrote:^^^ ZAPCO ^^^ Try it...you'll like it...they will be in stock soon...sold out at the moment...


I live in Florida buddy!

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Postby SQ Audio » July 7th, 2013, 9:17 am

ohh ok my bad...if you can get one to demo, try it.

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby Sully » July 11th, 2013, 9:39 am

The Audison Bit One interface is one of the better interfaces I've used to date, and the processor has the capabilities that you're looking for. It's a lot more than the price you're getting the Fosgate unit for, and there is a dealer in South Florida (Specialty Automotive Treatments).

I've fired up the software for the Crescendo Music Conductor, and it looks promising. More on that when I've had a chance to get some more hands on experience with it.

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Re: BMW 328i E90 SQ Build- No Where Near Complete!

Postby carfreak1024 » August 15th, 2013, 8:46 pm

Well I ended up getting the Rockford 3SIXTY.3 and my oh my what a difference it has made in the sound of the system in the BMW. I don't have any of the noise floor issues that i had using the Scosche LOC or the Audiocontrol LC2i that i used before. And i havent even touched a band of EQ yet. All i have done thus far is remove the LC2i that was in its place before and install the 3SIXTY.3 and run the setup interface which just normalizes and sums the signal from the factory amplifier and tell me when the factory equipment is clipping. Just by doing that the system not only got way louder it also sounds alot better now as well. No more peaky midrange from the factory amplified EQ.

This weekend when I have some more time on my hands i plan to install it properly, tune it and take installation pics and so on. All i have done with respect to tuning is turn the gains all the way down on the amps because this thing has an 8V line drive and set the crossovers on the amps to fullpass. All processing is being done via the 3SIXTY.3.

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