TTASA management dissolved - UPDATE Pg.10

[sMASH]

i'm not so much into equality as equity.

probably, instead of all the members of a division voting, they club can vote with in them selves of matters. the decision of the body of that club, would be carried out by the head at a division meeting. there each club lead would meet with each other.

or, a committee of minority clubs could be formed. where, the smaller clubs can come together to pool resources of funds, manpower, infrastructure to help each other develop and thrive.

i still think that some funds distributed to clubs or division, should be CALCULATED on a per financial member basis. it comes like, u have to give more money where there are more mouths to feed.
mind u, this is for some funds distribution, not majority of the funds.

also, if this whole motor sport council could start to be self sufficient, the assistance from the ministry of sports should be reimbursed and reduced. let the taxes go to more necessary avenues.


this is just some ideas i have come up with. its purpose is to spark some sort of thinking about how to get a fair system set up. i am not saying that this is the only way it should be.

stemming from that, i think that the lead position of the various groups, and even the various levels should be rotated. the rationale is that the group makes the decision by voting, and the lead persons, more or less, chair the meetings. that person, takes those decisions forward and acts on them at the successively higher levels of meetings. they are more spokes people, rather than leaders who can make big decisions by them selves or with a few of the group.

[frustr8ed]

this is what sMASH posts look like



I only read the first line and then realize the rest is rambling.

on a more pressing issue, focus right now should be on getting back Camden. Without the use of Camden a lot of these clubs and associations will become inactive and eventually become defunct.

[Bezman]

soooo in the end.. what happening? should i go buy another project car? iz dragz we gwan dragz dan?

[link]

i'm not so much into equality as equity.

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All I will say is :
the intention of the MSGC is to ensure an equal opportunity is afforded to all organisations wishing to participate.
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what you advocate is a straight case of 'the rich getting richer' or, in this case 'who have means get everything & the rest have to haul @$$e'
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THAT, SIR, I WILL ALWAYS OPPOSE.......
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apart from trying to reinvent the wheel here....
have a good day.

[moti]

Keep It Simple Silly.........

why not let the voting be done by presidents & vice presidents of each club?
within each club elections are done every year right? so that particular club may change leaders every year and in turn your voters will be rotated.

TTASA president should be selected from among the group of presidents from each club.
so is basically each president entitled to one vote but cannot vote for them self and in tune the president with the most vote will be head of TTASA for one year.


i don't know anything about this so i just talking out loud here

[MICROTECH 7]

this is what sMASH posts look like



I only read the first line and then realize the rest is rambling.

on a more pressing issue, focus right now should be on getting back Camden. Without the use of Camden a lot of these clubs and associations will become inactive and eventually become defunct.

soooo in the end.. what happening? should i go buy another project car? iz dragz we gwan dragz dan?

You know, the future Motorsport TTASA structure has been entertaining, informative, and educational but still lies in the hands of a few, but most that view here are hoping to catch some info on the next Drag event status, carded after Carnival as stated by the new Chairman.

Now that TTASA is not interested in staging events any more, WHO THEN, is a likely candidate that could be considered capable to stage this event ???

As previously noted. Along with the suspended or trashed constitution also follows the MSGC,with no existing Chairman at the helm, the Trustees should start over and invite applications for affiliation with Trustee committee approved criteria. Again, most of these clubs came into being with no sensible structure in place, their were created purely to gain access into Camden.

TTASA should approve a working model along with high racing and safety standards. Any affiliated associations or clubs that expresses interest in staging an event should pre-qualify and scrutinised under the racing model set-up.

So again, I ask you at this present time, WHO, will stage the after Carnival event if any ???

[link]

as stated by the new Chairman.

what 'new' chairman ??
If yr talking about the Trustee Chairman -Mangalsingh- you are sadly misguided...by said 'new' chairman's words probably.
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the Board of trustees are acting illegally, according to the TTASA Constitution section 11:2(f).
They must return the association to the membership to vote a new management to take things forward...that's the only democratic, constitutional way.
What the Trustees have done is stage a coup...
rgds

[FugiTECH]

So after X Years of BOBOL , you now seeing ''something wrong'' being done.

To me ,everyone agreed to the new Idea's the Trustee's Had , It grew a huge sign of relief, well once that promise is fulfilled.

So Stop Beating up boi and let the Trustee's work their magic to get back things to a Fresh Proper Start. Like you eh see how Totally SHITTTED the past Management had things or wah , so it needs a lil extra clean up now it seems.

There will be Obstacles along the way but so long as its good to be done , God will allow it. He is already showing us signs as you noticed in the past few weeks.

[SR]

link is just as guilty as the rest of them and now he wants to play "oh so holy"

but what about all the cover ups over the last 40 years link

[MICROTECH 7]

as stated by the new Chairman.

what 'new' chairman ??
If yr talking about the Trustee Chairman -Mangalsingh- you are sadly misguided...by said 'new' chairman's words probably.
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the Board of trustees are acting illegally, according to the TTASA Constitution section 11:2(f).
They must return the association to the membership to vote a new management to take things forward...that's the only democratic, constitutional way.
What the Trustees have done is stage a coup...
rgds

TTASA has been functioning for years playing promoter, Link did not protest, when they gave up Wallas negotiated poorly and accepted money, Link did not protest, when Nizam was ousted in an unfair election, Link did not protest, when the guys here were complaining of concerns on fair play, Link defended and still did not protest, when the President of the FIA and the transport Minister in the last T&T visit pleaded with TTASA to establish Motorsport unity and kept calling for months on updates to no avail and TTASA ignored it all, Link did not protest.

Now,that everyone here is happy that some progress is taking place in TTASA, Link VEX, and observe the he evades most relevant questions but focuses only on his personal interest. As everybody come out of TTASA they does drink a cup of righteousness, Link and Carlon Mohammed now see the light ??

[link]

link is just as guilty as the rest of them and now he wants to play "oh so holy"

but what about all the cover ups over the last 40 years link

list the 'cover ups' ...don't fish & bs...

[link]

TTASA has been functioning for years playing promoter, Link did not protest,

if TTASA has to promote events to ensure those events occur, so be it

when they gave up Wallas negotiated poorly and accepted money, Link did not protest

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TTASA dis not 'give up' Wallerfield...why did u conveniently omit the long court battle after the Eteck eviction ? You guys don't even know the outline facts about the case. The scheme to evict TTASA from Wallerfield began years before when the Lands & Surveys (I think) asked TTASA to seek permission & submit schedules for racing at Wallerfield. ASK YUH FADDER 'AUTOSPORT' ABOUT THAT. Then President Rawlins Amar brought this to the Association, saying that he was told it would assist TTASA in securing the lease of Wallerfield. The rest is history

when Nizam was ousted in an unfair election,

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as I recall, Nizam did not contest re-election

when the guys here were complaining of concerns on fair play, Link defended and still did not protest,

there are many management minutes where I tried to address these concerns at management level. You, of all persons, know full well what transpired. Please don't put a convenient negative spin here

when the President of the FIA and the transport Minister in the last T&T visit pleaded with TTASA to establish Motorsport unity and kept calling for months on updates to no avail and TTASA ignored it all,

I was not on Management & subject to an expulsion order from TTASA. YES, I fought my own battle against the unjustified, illegally conceived letter of expulsion & said nothing negative about FIA.
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YOU did not protest.
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so don't try to vilify me, I want to see motor sport go the right track, with development directly benefiting membership, ALL MEMBERSHIP, NOT JUST TTASA's. It's obvious the majority of you are shortsighted by the negatives you are guilty , even now, of 'pushing'. Look forward & insist on Constitutional conformity, not gangster-type coups. Yes, I happen to think that as TTASA President I can lay down an unbiased framework which compliments the direction of the TTASA Constitution through the MSGC, but only because I have seen reluctance to do so in the past and only see a POWER GRAB FOR THE Ngb & fia asn STATUS WHICH WILL PUT THE 'POWER' INTO THE HAND OF ONE.
Motor sport comes a distant second in all this & the only way to have true inclusion of all motor racing enthusiasts is under the protection of a Constitution...that very protection certain people are encouraging you all to disregard by showing you a bag of carrots in the distance & playing on the obvious distress & fear of the uncertainty surrounding the ability to even safely race somewhere.
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OPEN YOUR COLLECTIVE EYES & SEE WHAT THE LEVEL OF THE INJUSTICE IS BEING PULLED UPON YOU.
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rgds

[FugiTECH]

Funny how all this ''Intelligence'' shows up now rather than when you had lots of time not too long ago to use it but , then again your problem was listening , understanding and recognizing what was right and what was wrong. You preferred to listen only to the ones who will later on deceived you and here you are today crying wolf. Dont matter how much you suggest and imply no one will have your trust.
Kinda like Noah's Arc also.
Yuh shaming Siparia people deh bai.

[link]

Funny how all this ''Intelligence'' shows up now rather than when you had lots of time not too long ago to use it but , then again your problem was listening , understanding and recognizing what was right and what was wrong. You preferred to listen only to the ones who will later on deceived you and here you are today crying wolf. Dont matter how much you suggest and imply no one will have your trust.
Kinda like Noah's Arc also.
Yuh shaming Siparia people deh bai.

there are many management minutes where I tried to address these concerns at management level. You, of all persons, know full well what transpired. Please don't put a convenient negative spin here
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yuh conveniently makin' ah post here now....or wah ??

[goodear]

Out of curiousity is this "Link" person the one who was expelled from TTASA for "financial improprieties" (not alledged but proven) till September? If so then i can't follow what he is saying with any seriousness since he is already a known "improprieter" . If it is not the same person then my sincere appologies. But in order to be taken meritoniously one must first have merit.

Again if is not the same person then my sincere appologies.

[FugiTECH]

aight link scene


rgds

[link]

Out of curiousity is this "Link" person the one who was expelled from TTASA for "financial improprieties" (not alledged but proven) till September? If so then i can't follow what he is saying with any seriousness since he is already a known "improprieter" . If it is not the same person then my sincere appologies. But in order to be taken meritoniously one must first have merit.

Again if is not the same person then my sincere appologies.

be careful, 'goodear'....you need to retract that statement. I submitted all supporting documents to the Board of Trustees showing nothing was missing from TTASA's account.
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rgds

[link]

UPDATE: TTASA President Mohammed Ali has issued a letter to the TTASA members indicating that the Special General Meeting which was scheduled for January 30th is now cancelled citing a lawyers letter demanding the cancellation or face legal action by the Chairman of the Board of Trustees Vishnu Mangalsingh.

The letter from Mohammed Ali is as follows:

Dear Members,

As you are aware, my resignation takes effect from January 31st 2013. Despite my hard work I have been condemned by the membership. You all took bad advice and destroyed your Association, but thanks nonetheless.
It is alleged that TTASA will be re-branded and that the membership will be history. I guess the membership will be happy with that.

However, the Constitution clearly defines what should be done in the present situation where there isn't a quorum of management members. For your ease of reference the relevant sections of the constitution is highlighted below.

Before I go any further, I wish to make it abundantly clear that I have absolutely no desire to ever serve on any management committee or in any form whatsoever for TTASA again, therefore the rumour that is being spread by those who are fighting for absolute control of TTASA, that I have called a Special General Meeting because I want to withdraw my resignation and run for office is purely MISCHIEVOUS.

In keeping with the dictates of the Constitution, the Chairman of the Board of Trustees was required to invoke Section 11:2 (f) of the Constitution (see below), but despite my reminder, he refused to comply.

It therefore left me no alternative but to invoke Section 15 (a) [see below] to preserve the democracy of the Association.
As the sitting president, it is within my right to do so.

However, our democracy is being challenged.[ See attached letter]. The Chairman of the Board of Trustees is apparently assuming authority which he does not have.

After careful consideration of this matter, I felt it is useless for me to fight to preserve the democracy of the Association, since members have demonstrated that they apparently do not care about democracy but have fallen for the proverbial carrot.
It was not for my benefit that the Special General Meeting was called.

Therefore I ask myself, why worry to even challenge the attached letter, which is quite misleading in many areas. I do not have the time and money to waste.

I do hope that the members will get what they have bargained for.(If you bargain with life for a penny, then life will pay no more). I wonder if it is an exchange of Democracy for Autocracy?
Time will tell.

In the circumstance, I wish to advise that the Special General Meeting which has been scheduled for January 30th is now cancelled.. I hope this makes everyone happy , and live happily ever after !!!

Thought for the day:
"Absolute power, corrupts absolutely"


11 :2 (f) The Management is deemed to have collapsed when there isn’t a management
quorum of five elected members currently holding office. In such a case, to ensure continuity of the association’s business, a Trustee or Trustees shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Board of Trustees to fill the vacant position/s to form a quorum until a Special General Meeting is held. This Special General Meeting must be held no later than three months after the management committee is deemed to have collapsed.

12 : 2 (g) Vacancies will be filled by Bye Election at a Special General Meeting of which
twenty five (25) fully financial members present shall form a quorum. Such bye
election must be held no later than three months after the position

SPECIAL GENERAL MEETING
15 : (a). The Honorary Secretary shall convene a Special General Meeting whenever instructed to do so by the President or on the written requisition of the Committee, or on the requisition of twenty five Financial members, and such requisition shall state the business to be transacted at such a meeting.

Thanks for the way you have showed 'appreciation' for the hard work of my management colleges and I from September 2010 to December 2012.

Pardon me, but what the name of our Association again???

May the Lord Bless You All.

--
Mohammed Ali
Trinidad and Tobago Automobile Sports Association (TTASA)
cell : 1-868-766-9718
: 1-868-332-2296
email : ttasapresident.ali@gmail.com
website : http://www.ttasa.com

A copy of the letter from the Trustee's attorneys:

y'all don't think it strange that this big 'QC' could quote TTASA Constitution 11:2(f) & say the power to FILL THE VACANT POSITIONS LIE WITH THE TRUSTEES....and conveniently not say that the TRUSTEES FAILING TO FOLLOW THAT SAME PROVISION ??

[jaggie]

LINK, for one, I enjoy your "clear" interpretation and understanding of TTASA constitution...so, without prejudice and for just argument sake, let's just say they invoke/employ or just plain do what you think they should do....AS PER THE CONSTITUTION!!!...( now calma and keep reading)

What will be your contribution/ involvement to the proceeding to follow?...Will you be interested in being part of the new, reformed TTASA and what role?...or if you decide to Advise or be a SME and just consultant...What would be your vision or plan, for the New management/organization to carry all of motorsport forward?.....
Let’s be also mindful of the larger group, those who are “out of pocket” sponsored and their personal investment and commitment to continue participating and those who are interested or in the process of getting involved in motorsport….their contribution and participation will depend heavily on the New management .How much can an entity truly grow, if the bickering continues and there are only handful of interested persons?.....just my 02.c

[link]

I am on record as supporting progressive development of motor sports through MSGC participation and progressive Constitutional reform to foster total, equal participation of all motor racing interests.
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My role would be to immediately bring all organisations on board via the MSGC, insist on positive participation on an equal basis, have organisations IMMEDIATELY begin to manage their own championships, events, promotions, schedules & disciplinary issues within the ambit of the MSGC to create a well-oiled, cooperating, transparent entity which would eventually become the NGB (the logical development of the MSGC).
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Major constitutional changes, via progressive amendments of the existing document, would have been effected via SGMs where ALL members of the motor sport organisations would have contributed & sanctioned these developmental changes by majority vote. The inevitable conclusion of this development is the celebrated structure of a 'federation-type' National Governing Body truly representative of T&T motor sport. Of course, this NGB would also become the FIA ASN (via major constitutional amendments/additions to allow same).
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This above is not an easy task & the current TTASA Constitution creates the foundation for future development, AS IT SHOULD.
The willingness of the next management to start this important process, and the ability of the memberships of ALL the motor sport organisations to see past present smoke screens to embrace the 'big picture' is the key to achieving success.
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rgds

[sMASH]

my interpretation is that, yes, they have the power to fill the vacant position. the reason for filling the vacant position is to allow the business of ttasa to run.
the reason for not filling the vacant position, is to discontinue the daily running of ttasa, which is in line with the spirit of what we have read that the trustees have been talking about.

i.e. they have suggested to meet with other clubs, to come up with a different more inclusive constitution. all this does not get covered with in the present constitution. so, in other words, they are doing something ground breaking.

it don't make sense following sumting that u yuh getting rid off.

[goodear]

Oh so it is you .

Well I won't retract was is true. you can't play defender of the constitution of motorsport and overall pervayor of truth if you yourself was a contributor to its demise by doing things that were ,in any form or fashion , illegal.

I support change to the direction that motorsport has been taking for the past few years , as I myself was a member of Autosport promotions for a long time. Things were looking up then , but , then it went back to the backburners. But ,you trying to hold the mantle and drum up support for a cause that would seemingly put you as the head of the campaign ,seems to be putting it from the frying pan straight into hell.

As I see it you have a lot of bad blood and you are straying from why you were expelled. From what I have read here you have not learned to keep your mouth shut and try diplomacy when dealing with the structure of an organisation. TTASA heads read this forum you know and you are digging a hole that would put you straight to china. I like your enthusiasm for the sport but you attitude is worrying. I don't see you being a part of motorsport in the future except from ' bawling in the stands' , for the sake of the younger racers and enthusiasts , stop this and give it a few months. At least let your expulsion settle, then try to change it.

Putting the board of trustees and the organisation in " disrepute " in the public domain and citing a coup by Mr. Mangalsingh and the trustees won't help the sport but only you in your public attempt , it seems , to drum up support for yourself.

No appologies this time since you are a proven financial improprieter and was expelled as being so.

[TeamH2O]

link is just as guilty as the rest of them and now he wants to play "oh so holy"

but what about all the cover ups over the last 40 years link

True Talk

[skylinechild]

No appologies this time since you are a proven financial improprieter and was expelled as being so.

Sig material right here....

[link]

No appologies this time since you are a proven financial improprieter and was expelled as being so.

Sig material right here....

I submitted all supporting documents to the Board of Trustees showing nothing was missing from TTASA's account.

perhaps you should give the Trustees a call to confirm above... ???

[goodear]

LOL, I already did , was concerned so I asked at least 2 of the trustees so as to get a grasp as to what is really happening, How you think I know what you did. As a
person once said , "you could run but you can't hide"

From now on I will call you " He who's name shall not be spoken"

LOL

Feeling a bit sorry for you though, I think you started off with genuine intentions, but it seems to have gotten lost. Others will see that motorsport will rise again, so don't worry your pretty little head. Now go to sleep , it will be all better in the near future.

Hopefully then you would have stopped tote all them feelings and be an able bodied , helpfull and again a valued member , instead of one who is not spoken about highly anymore.

[goodear]

BODOW , I out .

[FugiTECH]

Funny how all this ''Intelligence'' shows up now rather than when you had lots of time not too long ago to use it but , then again your problem was listening , understanding and recognizing what was right and what was wrong. You preferred to listen only to the ones who will later on deceived you and here you are today crying wolf. Dont matter how much you suggest and imply no one will have your trust.
Kinda like Noah's Arc also.
Yuh shaming Siparia people deh bai.

there are many management minutes where I tried to address these concerns at management level. You, of all persons, know full well what transpired. Please don't put a convenient negative spin here
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yuh conveniently makin' ah post here now....or wah ??

again as you see 100% of us agree that you should listen to us and cool down bro, you''re overreacting. Relax ,sit back and lets see what kind of turn Motorsport Takes.

If you wanna share ideas just get in contact with or Join a Motorsport Group, they will listen , understand and recognize whats right or whats wrong in your suggestions and ideas.

[skylinechild]

From now on I will call you " He who's name shall not be spoken"

Sig material again

[sMASH]

how de frack yuh want people to discuss like adults when allyuh does put ting like dat in people mind.

now, i would always try to NOT use his name...