THA Elections

[toybago]

pyung99, what proof you want? stilted "facts/stats" penned by persons that may have hidden agendas? or do you want to listen to the people who speak their minds over the passage of time? or maybe you prefer to hear it from a person behind a mike that want yuh vote? but after reading just one particular sentence in rfari last post, my statements are no more or less conjecture than most on here....

and yes i do know a lot (about tobago) because guess what? i live here

for eg, some people think tobagonians voted that way to send a message.
LOL

^^^so whats your conjecture?

[rfari]

Boy, if we don't win this election, and I mean we here in the TOP case, there is no election we will win.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/War ... 88591.html

[pyung99]

pyung99, what proof you want? stilted "facts/stats" penned by persons that may have hidden agendas? or do you want to listen to the people who speak their minds over the passage of time? or maybe you prefer to hear it from a person behind a mike that want yuh vote? but after reading just one particular sentence in rfari last post, my statements are no more or less conjecture than most on here....

and yes i do know a lot (about tobago) because guess what? i live here

for eg, some people think tobagonians voted that way to send a message.
LOL

^^^so whats your conjecture?

it is all conjecture. see how many people were amazed top lost in local govt, i think similarly people were amazed top won the seats in general election.

it doesnt look good for tobago if internally it doesn't have a worthwhile opposition in the eyes of the people. no matter how you slice that, it shows how far behind tobago is.

consider if the roles were switched, with orville in top (or some other party) and ashworth jack in pnm, or if both orville and ashworth were in a party independent of pnm, how would tobagonians vote then?!

[shogun]

Boy, if we don't win this election, and I mean we here in the TOP case, there is no election we will win.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/War ... 88591.html

lol. Heard about that last night while watching the Parliament channel. Colm Imbert mentioned it during his contribution.

He gave them real talk about the loss in Tobago, it was almost hard to watch.

Heard him also talking about them (the PP), using the helicopter to transport "Soca Artists" to Tobago, for political campaigns and not using them for the purpose, in which they were intended.

[toybago]

pyung99, what proof you want? stilted "facts/stats" penned by persons that may have hidden agendas? or do you want to listen to the people who speak their minds over the passage of time? or maybe you prefer to hear it from a person behind a mike that want yuh vote? but after reading just one particular sentence in rfari last post, my statements are no more or less conjecture than most on here....

and yes i do know a lot (about tobago) because guess what? i live here

for eg, some people think tobagonians voted that way to send a message.
LOL

^^^so whats your conjecture?

it is all conjecture. see how many people were amazed top lost in local govt, i think similarly people were amazed top won the seats in general election.

it doesnt look good for tobago if internally it doesn't have a worthwhile opposition in the eyes of the people. no matter how you slice that, it shows how far behind tobago is.

consider if the roles were switched, with orville in top (or some other party) and ashworth jack in pnm, or if both orville and ashworth were in a party independent of pnm, how would tobagonians vote then?!

let me enter your world of conjecture, i think if the roles were reversed, the results may have been the same with the TOP at least winning a few seat, but that's just what i think...i dont have enough data....lol

some were caught up by the physical show at the TOP rallies etc, some saw the PMN win but didnt see the beat out coming, at the end of the day you cant see what in a man heart, and is you and God in that booth at that time....

to end. how comes folks wern't so analytical and dismissive when the PP won the last general elections? i guess democracy on ly works when it works out in "your" favour eh....

[pyung99]

it shows how strong the pnm is. didnt matter who was leading them in the tha elections. a whitewash in politics simply shows how truly oppressed the people are.

[16 cycles]

so what was promised on the campaign trail by the winning party?

[rocknrolla]

Boy, if we don't win this election, and I mean we here in the TOP case, there is no election we will win.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/War ... 88591.html

lol. Heard about that last night while watching the Parliament channel. Colm Imbert mentioned it during his contribution.

He gave them real talk about the loss in Tobago, it was almost hard to watch.

Heard him also talking about them (the PP), using the helicopter to transport "Soca Artists" to Tobago, for political campaigns and not using them for the purpose, in which they were intended.

so wait nah. that is what all them helicopter flyin up and down over my house was about? steups.

[rfari]

Boy, if we don't win this election, and I mean we here in the TOP case, there is no election we will win.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/War ... 88591.html

lol. Heard about that last night while watching the Parliament channel. Colm Imbert mentioned it during his contribution.

He gave them real talk about the loss in Tobago, it was almost hard to watch.

Heard him also talking about them (the PP), using the helicopter to transport "Soca Artists" to Tobago, for political campaigns and not using them for the purpose, in which they were intended.

And then they wonder why they lost:roll::roll::roll:
Pp concept of change is quite contradictory

[toybago]

it shows how strong the pnm is. didnt matter who was leading them in the tha elections. a whitewash in politics simply shows how truly oppressed the people are.

wrong on all counts...it shows how weak the opposing party/parties are/were, and mr jack did not present himself as a potential leader in the eyes of a lot of people. explain please how we oppressed? 'cause we didnt vote for the TOP/PP union? were we oppressed when the PP, UNC and NAR were voted into office in the past? i guess they shipped (free) people from some other country then eh?<----oh gorsh, this may be considered a racist statement....

[rfari]

so what was promised on the campaign trail by the winning party?

London releases manifesto

Story Updated: Jan 9, 2013

The only manifesto released so far in the build-up to the Tobago House of Assembly election on January 21 is that of the People's National Movement (PNM).

The manifesto, which contains 60 pages, is based on the theme 'In Defence of Tobago, Protecting Our Heritage, Securing the Future".

PNM Tobago Council leader and THA Chief Secretary Orville London waved the document on Sunday at Market Square in Scarborough before thousands of PNM supporters at the presentation of candidates.

In the middle pages is the heading, "The Team You Can Trust In Defence of Tobago", led by London and his 11 candidates.

On page 38 is the "Vision of the next frontier" and "The defence of Tobago".

Some of the future prospects include:

1. Greater autonomy and devolution to Tobago and the THA

2. The recognisation of the interests of Tobagonians in the revised constitution

3. The establishment of an anti-corruption strategy for the THA

4. The modernisation of THA Operations and

5. The strengthening of land and property rights among others.

6. The regularisation of land titling in Tobago

7. Establishment of Specialised Institutes (Programmes) in Forestry and Heritage Studies

8. The mobilisation of diasporic funds

9. The reformation of the Tobago Heritage Land Trust

10. The establishment of the Tobago Think Tank

Throughout the booklet there are headings such as Health Care, Tourism, Housing, Infrastructure and Transportation.

In conclusion, the PNM manifesto says to defend Tobago the party is not engaged in reaction, but rather in proactive initiatives to take the people and the island to the next level.

The Tobago Organisation of the People (TOP) and Platform For Truth (PFT) are yet to reveal their respective manifestos.

[16 cycles]

...Here every creed and race finds an equal place...

[16 cycles]

rfari,

thanks

[fraggle]

pyung99, what proof you want? stilted "facts/stats" penned by persons that may have hidden agendas? or do you want to listen to the people who speak their minds over the passage of time? or maybe you prefer to hear it from a person behind a mike that want yuh vote? but after reading just one particular sentence in rfari last post, my statements are no more or less conjecture than most on here....

and yes i do know a lot (about tobago) because guess what? i live here

for eg, some people think tobagonians voted that way to send a message.
LOL

^^^so whats your conjecture?

it is all conjecture. see how many people were amazed top lost in local govt, i think similarly people were amazed top won the seats in general election.

it doesnt look good for tobago if internally it doesn't have a worthwhile opposition in the eyes of the people. no matter how you slice that, it shows how far behind tobago is.

consider if the roles were switched, with orville in top (or some other party) and ashworth jack in pnm, or if both orville and ashworth were in a party independent of pnm, how would tobagonians vote then?!

Now this question is an example of the BS some of you call logic .....we vote on topics and issues not people, ask Patrick Manning and Hochoy Charls about it. Basdeo Panday opened a UNC office in Tobago a while back and even he was more favorable in the eyes of Tabagonians than Kamla because he stuck to the issues of Tobago and stayed within the rules and regulations of the THA. If we behind (behind who is the real question) let it stay that way. Cuz we learning from all your so called forward thinking catastrophes and cleaning up what ever allyu sweep under the rug.

[Habit7]

I wonder if TOP members like Christine Moore and Dr. Delmon Baker ever saw Ashworth Jack as their intellectual equal and were subservient to his leadership?

[eliteauto]

it shows how strong the pnm is. didnt matter who was leading them in the tha elections. a whitewash in politics simply shows how truly oppressed the people are.

the inherent stupidity of that statement makes all your contributions on this topic laughable. So the possibility that this result was a referendum of the PP Gov't doesn't enter your mind? But of course you're correct because PNM has the 2 Tobago seats in Parliament right?


UML hopes this thread becomes a 9 day wonder (3 days on the internet) and that some mod will move it under the guise of "ok the topic beat out now and elections have past" before he resurfaces

[16 cycles]

70% participation in a democratic process is oppressed????

Chinese workers hold managers hostage after toilet break changes

Shanghai electronics workers, angry about two-minute limit on breaks and fines for lateness, held bosses inside factory....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ja ... CMP=twt_gu

^ see link for more....

[rfari]

it shows how strong the pnm is. didnt matter who was leading them in the tha elections. a whitewash in politics simply shows how truly oppressed the people are.

the inherent stupidity of that statement makes all your contributions on this topic laughable. So the possibility that this result was a referendum of the PP Gov't doesn't enter your mind? But of course you're correct because PNM has the 2 Tobago seats in Parliament right?


UML hopes this thread becomes a 9 day wonder (3 days on the internet) and that some mod will move it under the guise of "ok the topic beat out now and elections have past" before he resurfaces

just have to shake your head and feel sorry for them yes.


by extrapolation, this makes sense for what is observed in this ched

The MFO noted that there was a clear demographic divide in the support base.

The demographic groups more likely to support the PNM were:

•Between 45-54 years

•Living in North-West and North-East Trinidad

•Of African, Mixed/Other ethnic descent

Those who suggested the TOP was the better leader for the THA were:

•Between 55-64 years

•Of a low socioeconomic background

•Living in central and south Trinidad

•Of East Indian descent

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Exc ... 13781.html

[toybago]

rfari like you shoot the thread in the head with that post boy.....well done...

[janfar]

Allyuh beating up on them men... I for one am one happy Calcutta injun that PNM win... nothing political or racial from me... I have never been exposed to anything racist in Tobago and im sure this result wont change it... and if this mean more Caura 'frequentees' gonna stay away then better fete.

[nemisis]

^^^ bwahahaha man drawing the line between himself and the caurites early

[wagonrunner]

Allyuh beating up on them men... I for one am one happy Calcutta injun that PNM win... nothing political or racial from me... I have never been exposed to anything racist in Tobago and im sure this result wont change it... and if this mean more Caura 'frequentees' gonna stay away then better fete.

the international caribbean amphibian with "un real" experiences has spoken.

[Rooki3]

Allyuh beating up on them men... I for one am one happy Calcutta injun that PNM win... nothing political or racial from me... I have never been exposed to anything racist in Tobago and im sure this result wont change it... and if this mean more Caura 'frequentees' gonna stay away then better fete.

i lol'd heartily

[Habit7]

One thing I wanna make clear too is that, there are racists in Tobago, just as they are racists in Trinidad. Tobagoians are mostly xenophobic much like how some Trinidadians feel about "small islanders" . But if you are Indo-Trinidadian and go to Barbados or St. Lucia don't expect not to be treated as a Guyanese.

[ironman2012]

UNC STATEMENT: THA ELECTION RESULTS - WHY TOBAGO LOST

Last Updated on 23.01.2013

The results of the THA election reflect how palpable the notion of fear among the African population can be. With very little to show from a party they have supported; a party that has neglected and overlooked them, Tobagonians still chose to remain with their political abusers.


All the PNM had to do was resort to their age old tactic of instilling fear that some other group would take away the little they had and the tribal instincts did the rest. Note that the PNM did not seek nor have to seek showing Tobagonians how much they gave to Tobago for the answer to that was some 22 billion dollars and nothing to show.

The PNM didn't have to sell any vision of a better life for Tobagonians. Their theme was simply that "a Calcutta ship" was coming for them and so they needed to stand in defence of Tobago. That was it. Fear trumped a better future.

Now what? Will Tobagonians be better off with the proven failure of the PNM? It is the same reason why Laventille with so little given by past PNM administrations would yet support the party regardless. The tribe is all they have been convinced is needed to be protected.

So the task for us is large. It is about emancipation from mental slavery. How do we allay the fears of those who have been duped for so long? How can we get them to understand that the appeal to tribal instincts alone with nothing else in the offing is not in their best interest? How can we encourage them to look for more from their leaders? How can we inspire their self-determination?

And also, how can we improve on our own message? The time has come for introspection on how we are perceived? These are the matters which we will deliberate upon and use to get people to unite against those who do not represent them but imprison them by using fear and tribalism even in this day and age when a black man, with the name Barack Hussein Obama, has just been inaugurated as the 44th President of the United States.

It is time for us to revisit how we achieve the liberation of our people from the insularity they have been captive to for far too long. We are all in this together.

Good Luck Tobago and congratulations to all the winners ! ! !

Signed
Jack Warner
Chairman
United National Congress

http://www.ctntworld.com/index.php/2011 ... obago-lost

[shogun]

No UML yet?

'D phok! ...Somebody check on the man nuh?

[Habit7]

I think Warner should not delete the draft for that diatribe, because he will surely use it again when Diego Martin, Tunapuna, Arima and Sangre Grande Regional Corporations change hands in May 2013.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/politics/0,171584.html

Jack Warner is just the racist old man everybody knows, that says the most outrageous statements with a lack of tact and decency. Stick a mic in JW's face and it won't take 5mins before a statement that would normal outrage the average Trinibagoian. The problem is that we have grown so accustomed to most of his statements that whether inflammatory, racist, libellous, non-factual or even uplifting, fly below our radar.

[Rooki3]

lol @ men saying they not comin bk tobago, i noticed a trend wid some visiting trinis, they come over on the plane with a cooler full of food & liquor, so they dont have to spend on food, my aunt runs a guest house in the west, she said some trini visitors, booked a room that sleeps 3, upon further investigation after a few suspicions, it actally had 9 of them sleeping in d room when night come

[rocknrolla]

UNC STATEMENT: THA ELECTION RESULTS - WHY TOBAGO LOST

Last Updated on 23.01.2013

The results of the THA election reflect how palpable the notion of fear among the African population can be. With very little to show from a party they have supported; a party that has neglected and overlooked them, Tobagonians still chose to remain with their political abusers.


All the PNM had to do was resort to their age old tactic of instilling fear that some other group would take away the little they had and the tribal instincts did the rest. Note that the PNM did not seek nor have to seek showing Tobagonians how much they gave to Tobago for the answer to that was some 22 billion dollars and nothing to show.

The PNM didn't have to sell any vision of a better life for Tobagonians. Their theme was simply that "a Calcutta ship" was coming for them and so they needed to stand in defence of Tobago. That was it. Fear trumped a better future.

Now what? Will Tobagonians be better off with the proven failure of the PNM? It is the same reason why Laventille with so little given by past PNM administrations would yet support the party regardless. The tribe is all they have been convinced is needed to be protected.

So the task for us is large. It is about emancipation from mental slavery. How do we allay the fears of those who have been duped for so long? How can we get them to understand that the appeal to tribal instincts alone with nothing else in the offing is not in their best interest? How can we encourage them to look for more from their leaders? How can we inspire their self-determination?

And also, how can we improve on our own message? The time has come for introspection on how we are perceived? These are the matters which we will deliberate upon and use to get people to unite against those who do not represent them but imprison them by using fear and tribalism even in this day and age when a black man, with the name Barack Hussein Obama, has just been inaugurated as the 44th President of the United States.

It is time for us to revisit how we achieve the liberation of our people from the insularity they have been captive to for far too long. We are all in this together.

Good Luck Tobago and congratulations to all the winners ! ! !

Signed
Jack Warner
Chairman
United National Congress

http://www.ctntworld.com/index.php/2011 ... obago-lost

padna.. it aint that. this government doing level sheit. forging documents to put dey friend and family in top paying positions is a nono. section 34 was and still is a fiasco that will never be forgotten.. and the SOE? LAWWWD

i speak out against pnm all my life, i support the PP for elections just like everyone else who had big hopes for them. but boy they turn out to be a major let dow. a total and catastrophic let down. i sorry but i goin to say it.

manning was right.

[nemisis]

lol @ men saying they not comin bk tobago, i noticed a trend wid some visiting trinis, they come over on the plane with a cooler full of food & liquor, so they dont have to spend on food, my aunt runs a guest house in the west, she said some trini visitors, booked a room that sleeps 3, upon further investigation after a few suspicions, it actally had 9 of them sleeping in d room when night come

for real moving like its a different currency they using over there.