The Religion Discussion

[stickman]

Anyway on the topic of Dr. Naik specifically the "Does God Exist?" video, he didn't prove God's existence, he just made an assumption that God made the earth and the Quran is essentially the user manual. Why? Because supposedly the Quran has all the answers to everything.

If God (assuming he exists) wanted believers, all he had to do was use a direct medium for communication. Not a middle man to distort the message.

stickman, Dr. naik does not have to prove God exist because his religion ls based on faith....if you have proof you won't have faith ...just sayin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNKA-_S ... re=related hope this help you...

I watched half of this video then closed it. Again I respect Dr. Naik's ability to remember all those verses. What I deduced from him saying Islam being a test means that god failed and was biased. He did not give everyone equal benefit to participate, he was biased to a particular location and then he failed in communicating his message.

This is of course assuming god exists.

[bluefete]

It was normal for people of ALL religions to get married pretty early at puberty not even that long ago. That was in the times when people didn't sleep around with anyone, and understood the importance of marriage and keeping their virginity until they're married. How pathetic are you people who spend everyday of your life finding something to insult a person's religion. Do you have no life? I care about my beliefs, and my life revolves around things important to me, not insulting and hurting the feelings of others. Grow up.

Several societies consider puberty to be an acceptable age for marriage because that is when a girl becomes capable of bearing a child and boys start to produce child-bearing sperm!!

But 6 years old?????? 9 years old???? Even considering that some children start puberty earlier than other??

[Humes]

thermaltake, I asked you a question that you STILL haven't answered in its entirety. How does that make me selfish? I'm still waiting for your answer.

When you answer my question fully and honestly, I will answer yours. That's how a discussion works.

[bluefete]

Anyway on the topic of Dr. Naik specifically the "Does God Exist?" video, he didn't prove God's existence, he just made an assumption that God made the earth and the Quran is essentially the user manual. Why? Because supposedly the Quran has all the answers to everything.

If God (assuming he exists) wanted believers, all he had to do was use a direct medium for communication. Not a middle man to distort the message.

stickman, Dr. naik does not have to prove God exist because his religion ls based on faith....if you have proof you won't have faith ...just sayin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNKA-_S ... re=related hope this help you...

I watched half of this video then closed it. Again I respect Dr. Naik's ability to remember all those verses. What I deduced from him saying Islam being a test means that god failed and was biased. He did not give everyone equal benefit to participate, he was biased to a particular location and then he failed in communicating his message.

This is of course assuming god exists.

Was God biased when he made the Israelites his chosen people?

[thermaltake]

thermaltake, I asked you a question that you STILL haven't answered in its entirety. How does that make me selfish? I'm still waiting for your answer.

When you answer my question fully and honestly, I will answer yours. That's how a discussion works.

I think your mummy should tuck you in your bed kid.... you dont expect to ask me soo much question and then cant even answer one of mine... why are you soo afraid to answer... you soo afraid of the truth?

[stickman]

Anyway on the topic of Dr. Naik specifically the "Does God Exist?" video, he didn't prove God's existence, he just made an assumption that God made the earth and the Quran is essentially the user manual. Why? Because supposedly the Quran has all the answers to everything.

If God (assuming he exists) wanted believers, all he had to do was use a direct medium for communication. Not a middle man to distort the message.

stickman, Dr. naik does not have to prove God exist because his religion ls based on faith....if you have proof you won't have faith ...just sayin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNKA-_S ... re=related hope this help you...

I watched half of this video then closed it. Again I respect Dr. Naik's ability to remember all those verses. What I deduced from him saying Islam being a test means that god failed and was biased. He did not give everyone equal benefit to participate, he was biased to a particular location and then he failed in communicating his message.

This is of course assuming god exists.

Was God biased when he made the Israelites his chosen people?

What about all those countries/people that don't have any influence from the Abrahamic religons? Do they automatically go to hell for not having the knowledge of the Quran/Torah/Bible?

[Humes]

I doh even have a problem with marriage by nine, yuh know. In those days, at least. These were usually formalities and marriages of convenience for political and commercial reasons. There were European monarchs who married children (girls AND boys) who couldn't even walk.

They did it to secure titles, unite families, inherit wealth or political control...and they would just send the child away or let the child be raised by nannies.

My real contention is with this sexual thigh massaging thing, and this sex at nine years old thing.

And with the suggestion that it was okay then...but not okay now.

Because that suggestion (now made twice by Muslims in this thread) supports moral relativism. It supports the argument that holy texts were written for a specific time and place, and are no longer literally or entirely applicable. That holy texts, and the religions that spring from them, are far from perfect.

I doh want to put words in thermaltake's mouth, but that's what his argument suggests.

[megadoc1]

It was normal for people of ALL religions to get married pretty early at puberty not even that long ago. That was in the times when people didn't sleep around with anyone, and understood the importance of marriage and keeping their virginity until they're married. How pathetic are you people who spend everyday of your life finding something to insult a person's religion. Do you have no life? I care about my beliefs, and my life revolves around things important to me, not insulting and hurting the feelings of others. Grow up.

I share this with you pal but this is a discussion things might get hot ! it was you who came in here and started braying
so why take offense now? you can't say all what you want to say then get offended when others start talking..

[bluefete]

What about all those countries/people that don't have any influence from the Abrahamic religons? Do they automatically go to hell for not having the knowledge of the Quran/Torah/Bible?

Good question. For those who are interested, God reveals Himself to them. Regardless of where ever they are.

[thermaltake]

I doh even have a problem with marriage by nine, yuh know. In those days, at least. These were usually formalities and marriages of convenience for political and commercial reasons. There were European monarchs who married children (girls AND boys) who couldn't even walk.

They did it to secure titles, unite families, inherit wealth or political control...and they would just send the child away or let the child be raised by nannies.

My real contention is with this sexual thigh massaging thing, and this sex at nine years old thing.

And with the suggestion that it was okay then...but not okay now.

Because that suggestion (now made twice by Muslims in this thread) supports moral relativism. It supports the argument that holy texts were written for a specific time and place, and are no longer literally or entirely applicable. That holy texts, and the religions that spring from them, are far from perfect.

I doh want to put words in thermaltake's mouth, but that's what his argument suggests.

i see u like to play with words guy... but why you dont play with some words and answer my question? why are you so afraid of truth? you so scared to talk about your religion?
think you should go play with your pillow and sleep...

[Humes]

thermaltake, I asked you a question that you STILL haven't answered in its entirety. How does that make me selfish? I'm still waiting for your answer.

When you answer my question fully and honestly, I will answer yours. That's how a discussion works.

I think your mummy should tuck you in your bed kid.... you dont expect to ask me soo much question and then cant even answer one of mine... why are you soo afraid to answer... you soo afraid of the truth?

Alright, so thermaltake can't answer. We will see what AdamB has to say.

[stickman]

I doh even have a problem with marriage by nine, yuh know. In those days, at least. These were usually formalities and marriages of convenience for political and commercial reasons. There were European monarchs who married children (girls AND boys) who couldn't even walk.

They did it to secure titles, unite families, inherit wealth or political control...and they would just send the child away or let the child be raised by nannies.

My real contention is with this sexual thigh massaging thing, and this sex at nine years old thing.

And with the suggestion that it was okay then...but not okay now.

Because that suggestion (now made twice by Muslims in this thread) supports moral relativism. It supports the argument that holy texts were written for a specific time and place, and are no longer literally or entirely applicable. That holy texts, and the religions that spring from them, are far from perfect.

I doh want to put words in thermaltake's mouth, but that's what his argument suggests.

^This, they indirectly suggest that it is not applicable for today's world.

also...

I believe in the future most people on earth will be religon-free:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nigel-bar ... 65108.html

This article suggests 2038, but with all these fundies around, I still think we have a long way

[thermaltake]

first time i ever speak to somone and they so afraid to answer my questions? Humes you are very pathetic... how you feel to know that you cant answer any of my questions and also dont even have the courage to talk about your religion... how will i learn about your religion?

[thermaltake]

Humes are you embarrassed to speak about your religion? cuz dat what somone in dis forum jus message me and tell me...?

[stickman]

first time i ever speak to somone and they so afraid to answer my questions? Humes you are very pathetic... how you feel to know that you cant answer any of my questions and also dont even have the courage to talk about your religion... how will i learn about your religion?

Humes, AdamB and others in this thread have been more courteous than you. Remember, you represent your religion.

[TonyM]

It is amazing that thermaltake picks and chooses what to follow in Sunnah and what not to follow.

Muslim men follow the ways and actions of the Prophet very closely. He wore a jubba (long flowing garment), had a beard, no mustache and they follow these little details. Some even say there was a particular way the Prophet placed his hands when he prayed and they try to follow this exactly.

yet TODAY they conveniently do not follow the Prophet in his practices of marrying pre-teens, having slaves and slave girls.

They do however follow him in having many wives.

so apparently only the things they are comfortable with they follow. The rest they claim "well that is how it was 1400 years ago, not today"

so why then today you have women dressing like they are in the middle of the desert fending off dust covered from head to toe? Why today in this day and age they are sacrificing animals, not because they NEED food, but because Abraham did it 6,000 years ago. So they each get an animal to kill. Most of them don't even know what to do with the amount of meat they end up with after sacrificing the animal. But they are following Abraham.

[thermaltake]

first time i ever speak to somone and they so afraid to answer my questions? Humes you are very pathetic... how you feel to know that you cant answer any of my questions and also dont even have the courage to talk about your religion... how will i learn about your religion?

Humes, AdamB and others in this thread have been more courteous than you. Remember, you represent your religion.

for your information sir.. i am a muslim.. i am not islam.....

[stickman]

first time i ever speak to somone and they so afraid to answer my questions? Humes you are very pathetic... how you feel to know that you cant answer any of my questions and also dont even have the courage to talk about your religion... how will i learn about your religion?

Humes, AdamB and others in this thread have been more courteous than you. Remember, you represent your religion.

for your information sir.. i am a muslim.. i am not islam.....

And? Both are faulty anyways.

But seriously, don't call other members pathetic and tell them to go and sleep, etc

[thermaltake]

Humes wats up? Outta questions?

[thermaltake]

first time i ever speak to somone and they so afraid to answer my questions? Humes you are very pathetic... how you feel to know that you cant answer any of my questions and also dont even have the courage to talk about your religion... how will i learn about your religion?

Humes, AdamB and others in this thread have been more courteous than you. Remember, you represent your religion.

for your information sir.. i am a muslim.. i am not islam.....

And? Both are faulty anyways.

But seriously, don't call other members pathetic and tell them to go and sleep, etc

how about you stop being biased? You dont know how a discussion works? well i'll tell you.. pushing your mouth when people having a discussion is very rude..

[thermaltake]

first time i ever speak to somone and they so afraid to answer my questions? Humes you are very pathetic... how you feel to know that you cant answer any of my questions and also dont even have the courage to talk about your religion... how will i learn about your religion?

Humes, AdamB and others in this thread have been more courteous than you. Remember, you represent your religion.

for your information sir.. i am a muslim.. i am not islam.....

And? Both are faulty anyways.

But seriously, don't call other members pathetic and tell them to go and sleep, etc

I didn't know Humes had a mouthpiece?

[stickman]

first time i ever speak to somone and they so afraid to answer my questions? Humes you are very pathetic... how you feel to know that you cant answer any of my questions and also dont even have the courage to talk about your religion... how will i learn about your religion?

Humes, AdamB and others in this thread have been more courteous than you. Remember, you represent your religion.

for your information sir.. i am a muslim.. i am not islam.....

And? Both are faulty anyways.

But seriously, don't call other members pathetic and tell them to go and sleep, etc

how about you stop being biased? You dont know how a discussion works? well i'll tell you.. pushing your mouth when people having a discussion is very rude..

I can't stop being biased because I am a human being. You're more biased, hell you're the most biased person in this thread.

[Humes]

Islam and Christianity are the same in that regard. I once heard a Christian co-worker declare that Christianity is only different from Islam because the religion "grew up and modernised".

I chuckled to myself. It's the world that grew up and modernised, and rejected many details and philosophies in the Bible. It's the followers who started picking and choosing what they wanted to adhere to. Christianity is still the same as it ever was, as detailed by its holy text.

Like stickman pointed out, I think atheism and other forms of disbelief have been growing because people are getting more and more sickened by how out of place many aspects of these religions are.

[thermaltake]

oooo yeah i am most biased when i answer so much question yet your pal Humes afraid to answer not even one of mine... wow i'm biased... so biased... yet yuh pushing your mouth in ppl convo to be biased and make yourself look uneducated.. u know not what is biased?

[chasemeifyoucan]

It is amazing that thermaltake picks and chooses what to follow in Sunnah and what not to follow.

Muslim men follow the ways and actions of the Prophet very closely. He wore a jubba (long flowing garment), had a beard, no mustache and they follow these little details. Some even say there was a particular way the Prophet placed his hands when he prayed and they try to follow this exactly.

yet TODAY they conveniently do not follow the Prophet in his practices of marrying pre-teens, having slaves and slave girls.

They do however follow him in having many wives.

so apparently only the things they are comfortable with they follow. The rest they claim "well that is how it was 1400 years ago, not today"

so why then today you have women dressing like they are in the middle of the desert fending off dust covered from head to toe? Why today in this day and age they are sacrificing animals, not because they NEED food, but because Abraham did it 6,000 years ago. So they each get an animal to kill. Most of them don't even know what to do with the amount of meat they end up with after sacrificing the animal. But they are following Abraham.

Very good questions but sorry, you are not going to get sensible answers here. It's all about doing what is convenient in their religion and changing the interpretation of the religious text to conform.

some posters like themaltake have resorted to childish insults because they lack the ability to discuss and back up their points with copy and pasting instead of valid reasoning.

[bluefete]

Islam and Christianity are the same in that regard. I once heard a Christian co-worker declare that Christianity is only different from Islam because the religion "grew up and modernised".

I chuckled to myself. It's the world that grew up and modernised, and rejected many details and philosophies in the Bible. It's the followers who started picking and choosing what they wanted to adhere to. Christianity is still the same as it ever was, as detailed by its holy text.

Like stickman pointed out, I think atheism and other forms of disbelief have been growing because people are getting more and more sickened by how out of place many aspects of these religions are.

And that comes from interpretation which is done to twist elements of the Qu'ran and the Bible to suit particular needs.

[chasemeifyoucan]

how about you stop being biased? You dont know how a discussion works? well i'll tell you.. pushing your mouth when people having a discussion is very rude..

The discussion is not limited to just your and humes. You are being stubborn and somewhat childish in your remarks, anyone can respond to you otherwise take your issue to private messaging of you do not want others to discuss with you.

[thermaltake]

to you your way.. And Allah Knows best.. GOODNIGHT..

[AdamB]

[quote="Humes

Aisha hadn't even reached puberty. She was married off when she was 6. Even if she reached puberty at age 9, Mohammed rubbed his penis between her thighs before she was 9. Get the facts straight.
[/quote]
Where are you getting your facts from? The source of your evidence? We muslims verify information that comes to us, otherwise gossip and slander will reign supreme.

The Messenger of God saw ‘A’ishah twice- [first when] it was said to him that she was his wife (she was six years old at that time), and later [when] he consummated she was nine years old.

These are lies being fabricated. He had no contact with her until after she was of age 9. He had migrated from Mecca to Medina. Her father, Abu Bakr, accompanied him on the journey. She was not with them. She did not live with him between age 6 and 9.

So where this penis rubbing thing come from?

[stickman]

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Had ... lars:Aisha

Read this entire article.