Iasca Awareness and Training feedback wanted

[SR]

Guys based on comments made in previous threads we are looking to tailor a package to both raise awareness and provide training for IASCA competitions idbl and sound q
I am looking for comments and suggestions from members here on what they would like to see/expect from Iasca Caribbean for the 2012 season

keep in mind that we do have a formal set of rules at an international standard and there will be no deviations from those rules

anyone wanting a copy of them can either join our iasca caribbean facebook page or send me you email address so that we can email it to you in pdf format

email may come in 3 parts due to the total size of the pdf file

[SR]

to download the rules directly from iasca.......

In oto download the rules from the IASCA website, a person must first become a member of the site (it's free to join). Once a member, all that's required is to click this link and you can download the complete rule book http://www.iasca.com/m/files/view/2011_ ... rev0411_cp
www.iasca.com

[nigel1977]

I advise, that you let this wait till the season closes, where Iasca can have an end of year wrap up, and allow their members and stalwarts an opportunity to share their experiences from the season.

Whilst this event may sound like an open Iasca Bashing Session, I do believe your members concerns need to be addressed, if not at least heard.

[SR]

getting an early start to this even though we wont close off the season till maybe early dec

just want as much feedback as possible as i need to decide on how we are moving forward for 2012 and beyond

if we are to be bashed then so be it once the bashing is based on facts

[unknown person]

I know i repeat this alot...but me and alot of guys wanna see these kinds of events more in the west and east......just my two cents...i know its hard to find good promoters, but ask a few store owners who sell audio if they can have sanctioned events so ppl could know about the sport....I would say, for the few friends of mines that went the show in pier 2, they spectate and love every minute of the sport, but wish you can have more like that in both the west and east....same as for private events....that for me I enjoy alot

Just my two cents

[SR]

agreed and noted

main issue is that many stores/shops do not have sufficient parking to allow a competition to be held at thier venue

and i really would like to have events in the west and east as at present all the small events are done central to south

if you know of shops that are interested in having this at thier location let them contact me

[unknown person]

PM me the number please, i'll ask them and find out for you.

[MonsterPower]

why ask for more east /west shows when we strive for more central locations.. what coul dbe aimed is a more even spread of shows .lets say u have 8 shows for the season u can do 4 in central and 4 spread north ,south ,east and west . this way some pple cant say iasca favouring one area as well as let some competitors make the trek .. imho some people just lazy to make some drives..

oh and more shows for the yr will definetely peak more interest

as for what nigel said i kinna disagree on waiting on the end of yr.. what can be done is feedback and concerns started from now and a date following the close of season can be chosen to discuss all the previous topics .. this way all members wont be consumed with christmas festivities

[unknown person]

why ask for more east /west shows when we strive for more central locations.. what coul dbe aimed is a more even spread of shows .lets say u have 8 shows for the season u can do 4 in central and 4 spread north ,south ,east and west . this way some pple cant say iasca favouring one area as well as let some competitors make the trek .. imho some people just lazy to make some drives..

But central always have events....it seems that the west and east is just chop liver....so I don't know what u trying to say.
We don't complain about the distance to attend a comp...is more central and south ppl does complain more if something is held either in POS or Arima side.....and they say these magical words "quite dey???...dat too far".... -_-

[MonsterPower]

not really pal .. south only has 1 show per yr if i rember right ..

btw majority of competitors are from south ... check the stats ..

[evolution7tt]

btw majority of competitors are from south ... check the stats ..

Correct! So why hold it in Arima?

[SR]

iasca caribbean has yet to be paid for the last event we were asked to sanction in the arima veledrome

show had buss promoter moved the trophies without telling us a word and we were left under a tent twiddling our thumbs

never heard from that promoter again even though prior to the event we recevied numerous calls and had a meeting with them

promoter still holds shows ............this is more than 2 years ago


just some food for thought regarding working with promoters in the east

[Lance]

btw majority of competitors are from south ... check the stats ..

Correct! So why hold it in Arima?

If you are looking at the long term sustainability of the sport and the need to expand awareness, new interest and eventually a stream of new competitors, then it makes perfect sense.

IASCA formats, whether it is IDBL, BassBoxing or SQ, are largely unknown to people in the east west corridor. There is simply no better way to increase awareness than a firm physical presence.


If you are considering this from a convenience point of view, then it would be more feasible to locate more shows elsewhere. However, with a country as small as ours, I still can't understand why distance is an issue.

[Lance]

iasca caribbean has yet to be paid for the last event we were asked to sanction in the arima veledrome

show had buss promoter moved the trophies without telling us a word and we were left under a tent twiddling our thumbs

never heard from that promoter again even though prior to the event we recevied numerous calls and had a meeting with them

promoter still holds shows ............this is more than 2 years ago


just some food for thought regarding working with promoters in the east

I am in no way condoning the actions of this promoter. It was unethical and illegal.

He continued having shows, so one could assume that he settled his business with other service providers. You ever considered why he probably never made a conscious effort to make his payment? It might have been that the Income generated from IASCA competitions could in no way cover the cost of sanctioning.

This goes back to the bigger issue plaguing IASCA Caribbean.

[SR]

and here in lies the other issue

why is that promoters think that the income made from iasca competitions is suppose to cover the sanctioning fee

this can only happen if the promoters themsleves put some effort into promoting iasca competitions
at present what is charged to promoters for events does not cover our expenses to sanction an event but we have kept the cost down an i have personally absorbed the losses to ensure iasca's presence at events
we ensure that there is a full team present to have a smooth flow of competition and assistance to competitors

[Lance]

and here in lies the other issue

why is that promoters think that the income made from iasca competitions is suppose to cover the sanctioning fee

this can only happen if the promoters themsleves put some effort into promoting iasca competitions
at present what is charged to promoters for events does not cover our expenses to sanction an event but we have kept the cost down an i have personally absorbed the losses to ensure iasca's presence at events
we ensure that there is a full team present to have a smooth flow of competition and assistance to competitors

I get what you're saying. However, keep in mind the objective of a car show promoter. As with any business, It’s simply to turn a profit. In their minds, IASCA offers very little spill over benefits to their other operations. As such, it has to pay for itself, there is very little indirect benefit to their other operations.

Your second point introduces another issue. Who holds the main responsibility for promoting IASCA? In my opinion, while the promoter has a vested interest in promoting IASCA, this interest only becomes vested at the time of a show.

Who is responsible for the ongoing promotion of IASCA? If I were a promoter, I would consider IASCA to be a short term franchising opportunity. With that in mind, it is my view that most of the promotion and brand awareness lie with the Franchiser i.e. IASCA Caribbean

I would seek out a franchising opportunity with KFC because the brand is well known, the products being offered are regarded to be of good quality and demand and interest are present

I will however not seek out an opportunity from Pulmatie's Fried Chicken (PFC). No one knows the brand, the demand is not there and the products are unknown. Whose overall fault is this? Mine or Pulmatie?

[SR]

i hear ya on that

consider this

if iasca attempts to push more into promotions there is going to be increased expenses at which it will eventually trickle down to the competitor so that costs can be covered
iasca caribbean just like iasca international is a non profit organisation and would like to remain as such however income must derived somewhere to maintain sustainability and as such expenses will have to passed on to both the promoter and competitor


i am open to suggestions on marketing the iasca branding hence the reason for this post

keep in mind we are not in an "american" market but for most part "trini" and what may work in america may not work or even apply locally due to different culture and mindset

[Lance]

i hear ya on that

consider this

if iasca attempts to push more into promotions there is going to be increased expenses at which it will eventually trickle down to the competitor so that costs can be covered
iasca caribbean just like iasca international is a non profit organisation and would like to remain as such however income must derived somewhere to maintain sustainability and as such expenses will have to passed on to both the promoter and competitor


i am open to suggestions on marketing the iasca branding hence the reason for this post

keep in mind we are not in an "american" market but for most part "trini" and what may work in america may not work or even apply locally due to different culture and mindset

I think that is where a good cost benefit analysis will come into play. Increases in promotional and operational cost will result in higher sanctioning cost but does not have to trickle down to higher competition fees.

Think of this in the long-term. Better promotional activities should result in higher competitor turnout, or else the activities serve no purpose.

Keep in mind that much of IASCA's fees are fix and does not vary with Competitor turnout. With this in mind, A higher Sanctioning fee can easily be offset by a greater turnout, there by not trickling down to the competitors.

Imho, this proactive approach is much better than what is currently in place. Analyze data from the past few years. IASCA turnout is inconsistent and on the decline. I'm not saying that my views are correct. However, I am saying that is nothing is done; the sport will die very soon.

[SR]

but no one wants to pay the higher sanctioning cost at present

there is adefinatly a decline in idbl but i can lay some of the blame on promoters where more emphasis at the shows is given to the crowd pleaser aspect and idbl is not in the spotlight

when the 100% iasca shows were being done the promoter gave equal spotlight to both idbl and crowd pleaser and there was a higher turnout of idbl competitors

and even then nothing more was being done to promote iasca other than at the event

while times have changed and we need to look ahead if the promoters arent interested in iasca other than a cash cow do we stop doing big shows all together and go back to "carpark" style events on a smaller scale and mroe frequently?

that may be the way forward in building back awareness and interest

[Lance]

but no one wants to pay the higher sanctioning cost at present

there is adefinatly a decline in idbl but i can lay some of the blame on promoters where more emphasis at the shows is given to the crowd pleaser aspect and idbl is not in the spotlight

when the 100% iasca shows were being done the promoter gave equal spotlight to both idbl and crowd pleaser and there was a higher turnout of idbl competitors

and even then nothing more was being done to promote iasca other than at the event

while times have changed and we need to look ahead if the promoters arent interested in iasca other than a cash cow do we stop doing big shows all together and go back to "carpark" style events on a smaller scale and mroe frequently?

that may be the way forward in building back awareness and interest

You are totally right. And as I previously said, the promoter has to undertake some of the promotional activities.

With respect to your second point, I think everything needs to be considered and brainstormed. I think these 'big' shows and the smaller meets can be done simultaneously. They both offer benefits that the other cannot provide.

These small backyard shows have brought SQ back from the brink. Look at the current list of new SQ regulars; they all were attracted via these shows.

For years SQ was offered via the 100% IASCA format. Yet every show you would see the same competitors minus one. These smaller shows were able to create rapport and really spark an interest, something that larger formats failed to do.

[silent_riot]

Will post some comments later...

I would suggest that this discussion be done in person, because imo:
1) Those who are really interested tend to show up to meetings, rather than the talkers/non-doers from on-line forums.
2) Past discussions like these can get quite heated for some reason, and it would be wiser to keep it off on-line forums, and that bad exposure/image is something I honestly think is one of the biggest problems in Sound Q in Trinidad.

I can present an in-person discussion via the ICE Club's December meeting/End of Season Dinner, as this is something that's usually on the agenda for the end of season meeting. The last monthly meeting we had there were concerns raised, but it didn't make sense for me to continue that discussion because I cannot address them. If an IASCA representative is present, I will gladly include it in the agenda.

[SR]

email me the points that came out of your ice club meeting then

i want to gather as much informations as possible so that we can sit and meet in december to disucss our way forward in 2012 and i need as much input as possible from everyone interested or just watching on as this will be the only way we can know what the people want and align it with the present iasca guidlines

if possible we may be able to address the issues and have a way forward with somthing to present at the ice club's xmass function


seeing that we do not start our season until after sbn some issues i may want to take up directly to iasca at sbn for guidance and recomendations as well as some issues i can put forward to the ruling committee when we start our end of year discussions for rule book amendments for 2012

[- Rovin's car audio -]

not trying to be a buzz kill but :

isnt it d same thing we discuss every yr : how to get more ppl interested in SQ & SPL , & then we keep repeating ourselves with d same ol story only to not see much of a improvement if any & then we come back here to discuss it again

everybody knows trini culture : d majority of guys only care for "loud street music\gallery" to play by d beach \ river \ bar \ on d street etc so not many of them care to go on a meter to tell them their sh1t is loud , their ears say "its loud" so thats all they binis about


there are 30 or so ppl who actually go up for spl is because of either :

they dont really care much about gallerying their systems loudly in front crowds
they dont have a heap of mids "needed" to play in d arena
they simply dont care to go for arena since they dont have 3 maxi load of ppl to bawl for them
or if u like me u go cause u know its d most fairest way to actually measure how loud a system is


what actually discourages ppl from spl is :

they feel their music sounding really loud , u feeling it in ur chest & it shaking down d place but when it goes up on d meter they struggling to do low 140s & feel bad about it , most of d times a music designed box will not as well as a box designed for pure spl numbers , they feel u can have both nice sounding bass & spl - ts easier to get 1 or d other both not usually both to be outstanding , SPL is a science with alot of trial\error to get a high score which alot of ppl dont have experience in , ur system might have d potential to do a good score but u just dont know how to set & burp ur vehicle

they are intimidated by high scorers in d group - lets say some1 is doing score X , its frightening (& discouraging) to others who might say "boi that man car always rel loud i eh going up cause i friad i get lix"

poor managements , class grouping , brackets , general practices (occurs in certain non-iasca sanction shows) i know we talking iasca but its just to show how spl is in sometimes

high completion fees - fingers are pointing all sides so i wont get into that

most ppl simply just dont get whats d big deal with sticking in a meter then d vehicle makes a "burrr" sound , score is displayed & vehicle drives away - for a spectator what is d interest in that....at least have some1 announce something like " competing in bracket X is Mr. jack in his 120y car that has 2 12" pioneer powered by a boss 5000watt amp , his score is 1__.x" like how they do it in d rest of d world ..... ppl keep asking for that for yrs & it never happens , in some shows when d comp is over all u hear is "all SPL competitors please come to d arena to collect ur prizes !" , spectators dont have a clue whats going on in spl & competitors dont know if they won anything or not but they still make their way to d arena , no announcement of scores from any brackets & no names called so most ppl dont know wtf really going orn - so what sense this thing really makes sometimes ? , unless ppl ask each other then nobody has a clue what going on



SQ - i like it but face facts we all know its not a spectator friendly sport so unless u are friends or know any of d competitors then hard luck if u really want to listen to 1 of d these vehicles because generally speaking vehicle owners will be uncomfortable letting total strangers sit in their rides or see what equipment they have so this sport will always remain a small dedicated group


education & training is obviously a good thing but dont expect a heap of participants , just a dedicated few


i not being sarcastic or a hater to anything or any1 , just my honest 2 cents ....

[evolution7tt]

SQ - i like it but face facts we all know its not a spectator friendly sport so unless u are friends or know any of d competitors then hard luck if u really want to listen to 1 of d these vehicles because generally speaking vehicle owners will be uncomfortable letting total strangers sit in their rides or see what equipment they have so this sport will always remain a small dedicated group

As you said wrt SPL, education is key. Of course some SQ guys will not let any beharry off the street sit in the driver's seat of their car. At the same time, it is not meant to be a spectator sport.

The only crowd aspect of it will be the SQ bangout session that IASCA implemented at the MBC Autotronix events and those were quite entertaining to say the least.

The spectators at SQ imo, want to be competitors eventually. As such, they have the opportunity to audition various systems and discuss related matters with the best of the best.

For people who are GENUINELY interested in SQ, the ICE club held two events this year whereby attendees had the pleasure of critically listening to a real hifi setup. How many were there?

[evolution7tt]

Also, SQ is more than just having component speakers in your car. It's an appreciation for music and how it's meant to be reproduced.

How many car audio guys here really enjoy quality recordings? I only know a few.

[silent_riot]

It may be wiser for users to PM their concerns to SR, than posting it on the forum.

[SR]

pm or post i want to hear it all

good and bad

i need this to to assist in guiding us forward intothe future

no names will be called i jsut need info

[MonsterPower]

ummm sr why cant u merge this thread and the one from iasca forum...

[SR]

cuz people visit different forums and some dont visit the iasca forum at all so i am looking for replies everywhere

[unknown person]

btw majority of competitors are from south ... check the stats ..

Correct! So why hold it in Arima?

So your attitude clearly states that it suppose to be in south and south only?...that's what u trying to say?

If IASCA wants to grow and become known, it can't remain in just one spot son...sanctioned or not...its all about the learning aspect of the sport......lets just say example the private events that takes place by two popular place, DE audio and MBC....now that's to promote the business, west side have a few car audio stores with fair amount of parking space and would be glad to have IASCA there to make business grow and to promote a wonderful sport such as SQ and SPL and would go all out for it...same as in Arima and other environs, even though the place is pretty much small, they would be glad to promote it as well.
So start thinkin outside the box and get that ridiculous thinking mentality you have out your head.

The mission for a better show would definitely be to go around...ask a few well known business places if they can host a small event...yes I know we the westside and eastside ppl are very uptight (and proud of it btw), but a lil determination and in a humble manner, you can get thru with almost anything you ask for.