GIBBS CATCHES SPIES

[Aaron 2NR]

^ i dont think it is a smoke screen...i think its illegal but the forum lawyers say it isnt...

people are making reference to the US here but without a warrant, tapping a phone line is illegal!

[eliteauto]

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commenta ... 69674.html

take a read

[MG Man]

soooooooooooooooooo....................dey find any nekkid pics ah Kamla?

[Aaron 2NR]

T&T has passed no such laws so it is more than arguable, therefore, that any practice of intercepting communications in T&T such as, for instance, tapping phones is contrary to section 4 (c) of the Constitution as in breach of the right of the individual to "respect for his private and family life".

A warrant to intercept is usually limited to the person and the premises named. Disclosure is restricted and there is a limit legally to the number of copies made of the intercept product. The warrant is for a fixed duration and the law provides for the destruction of communications after a specified period. Information disclosed to a lawyer by a client is protected

t is obvious that the power to intercept telecommunications in the course of transmission is an invaluable tool in investigation. It is also known that illegal interception has been practised and may still be practised in T&T. Without legislative underpinning not only is it subject to abuse but it constitutes a violation of citizens' constitutional rights. The answer must lie in the passage of legislation in Parliament permitting the legal use of interception and with the appropriate safeguards.

[eliteauto]

The warrant of intercept does not exist locally it's a European thing that she suggests can be used here when/if we introduce legislation

The only legal recourse here atm is if a person is aware that they have been tapped and they file a constitutional motion challenging the act, that would have likely have civil recourse and not criminal so still no jail for anyone

[wagonrunner]

Then it's a smoke screen. What's the purpose of any of this?

well look something to occupy the "flock"
taxpayer monies being spent for personal satisfaction, but......... see. i was really always a victim.

[originalbling]

so just for argument sake, lets see what the Constitution say about the functions of the SSA:

Strategic Services Agency Act Chap 15:06

http://rgd.legalaffairs.gov.tt/Laws2/Al ... /15.06.pdf

Section 6 details its "official" functions.

[eliteauto]

^^ nicely

[ek4ever]

Welcome to the modern world, it's done in MANY countries world wide. It's called National Security.

You preferred if terrorists were able to plot n overthrow a government in power?

I support covert security agencies fully. If it weren't for them this world would be a warzone and flying on a plane won't be very pleasant

Only those who have things to hide will be bothered by this.

Exactly.....besides Kamla was AG when it was setup...the issue here is not the capabilities of the agency but rather it's operations...it is required to support LE regardless of which party in power. The mistake here was the person who was allowed to run it and subsequently fired.

[RBphoto]

They spying on comedians? They not making joke at all.

[Halfbreed07]

[Strauss]

so just for argument sake, lets see what the Constitution say about the functions of the SSA:

Strategic Services Agency Act Chap 15:06

http://rgd.legalaffairs.gov.tt/Laws2/Al ... /15.06.pdf

Section 6 details its "official" functions.

Read the list yourself. Were they carrying out their 'official functions' fully? From the three news reports, I would say no.

6. (b) develop strategic intelligence and make recommendations to Government on the
formation of ponarcotics matters;

Also it seems you and arguing a DIFFERENT issue from what the rest of us are. We have no problem with the organization existing - to fight crime. But it seems it was not used in the way it was set up.

That is corruption. For god sake the Prime Minister was left out of the loop and the SIA still reported to their PNM boss. It took a police raid to find out these things. Wake up man. The COP would not order a raid on something functioning legally.

Yet you paint it like you have no problem with that.

[UML]

[aidan]

Hmmmmm

Which moderator changed this post? I simply asked what the source of the story was, and said people should put up links when they cut and paste from the papers.

What was wrong about that?

wasnt a mod...

was the spies

[zcarz]

i does turn up my radio every time gibbs come on, he sound like a man who knows what he is doing

[DFC]

i worked ojt in jack office.

and i am honestly afraid if tapes from his office come out in public.

[RASC]

What would make a more interesting and pertinent story would be if Gibbs busted all the local businesses that operating as fronts for illicit activity like drug running and money laundering, and also exposed the link with these same businesses, columbians, politicians and police. Tell us where political parties that claimed they were broke suddenly found money from when the election was called.

Now that would be interesting.

[RASC]

Well played tho Kamalalal

As soon as you come back, new diversionary tactic.
Touche!

[SmokeyGTi]

[zcarz]

what allyuh think the blimp was for?

[varung]

ent to get a wire tap u need court order, ent to dig up personal documents you need a court order of some sort.

so as long as tdad doesn't have it, it is facking illegal. end of discussion. what are we back in the days of WW II ? these PNM-ites are really sickening and disgusting.

[RASC]

Well played tho Kamalalal

As soon as you come back, new diversionary tactic.
Touche!

ent...let's stop the world from spinning...my fone was being tapped...oh noez

doh mind my ministers are a bunch of idiots

matter of fact she holding a press conference to "address" the "spying"

Ah love et...country in a state of stagnation, and she calling press conference for a wire tap. Gimme a break man, this really is the begining of the end. I think the honeymoon over...ppl waking up from the dream.

If she has a conference for that-you'll hear one big collective S T U E P S from the entire population. "No body eh care bout that s#!t...where all the ting yuh promise we?"

[eliteauto]

Well played tho Kamalalal

As soon as you come back, new diversionary tactic.
Touche!

ent...let's stop the world from spinning...my fone was being tapped...oh noez

doh mind my ministers are a bunch of idiots

matter of fact she holding a press conference to "address" the "spying"

Ah love et...country in a state of stagnation, and she calling press conference for a wire tap. Gimme a break man, this really is the begining of the end. I think the honeymoon over...ppl waking up from the dream.

If she has a conference for that-you'll hear one big collective S T U E P S from the entire population. "No body eh care bout that s#!t...where all the ting yuh promise we?"

bring back Bas to show dem how it's done!!!!!

[RASC]

Taken from the Express comments section:

so let me get this straight. The SIA was formalized by an Act of parliament n 1995 but Kamla wants intelligent ppl to believe that nobody knew of the existence of this unit and what they do and who they report too. 1995 that mean, PNM, UNC, PNM now PP. Woman look here, just because you was too busy galavanting all over the place to pay attention to what ur responsibilities entailed does not mean nobody knew this thing existed or who it reports too. I guarantee u Jack make good use of it whenever he was head of the NSA by virtue of being acting PM. Now u see why this musical chairs of acting PM is a problem. the woman say ANYBODY in the coalition is fit to be acting PM and by extension have access to all our national security secrets? that Include racist SURUJ who was in a Scott drug report? that include the Mafia Don Jack ak HNIC? look here woman. get some sense and get some quick. Meanwhile I will need Express to get Camini Maraj cracking on this story.

Interesting.

[eliteauto]

So what? This is a normal part of National Security since 1990, you think this did not exist under the UNC Govt? Just another smoking gun for followers to use to distract from real national issues, this Gov't continues to compromise the security of this country for political milage, I thought elections done, so why are they still campaigning? Seems the "parasitic oligarchy" is demanding their pound of flesh so "imports" can increase

I has to bold and quote mehself

distraction FTL

[Chimera]

It's rather stupid that she say "no one know" when I hearing from random low level security officials how this minister and that minister using the service to tap their wives/hornerwomen/business associates phones lines and if I want it done it's $60,000 initial fee and X amount per month afterwards.

Full printed transcripts of phone calls and text msgs, as well as list of all vehicles registered to so and so...etc etc.

[Snags]

ent to get a wire tap u need court order, ent to dig up personal documents you need a court order of some sort.

so as long as tdad doesn't have it, it is facking illegal. end of discussion. what are we back in the days of WW II ? these PNM-ites are really sickening and disgusting.

So it is illegal, good, I'm waiting to see who gets charged for it . The PNM isn't in power anymore, so I'm pretty sure that the PP, unlike the PNM, will actually act and not turn a blind eye to this blatant lawlessness. Lets see how long before someone gets charged and prosecuted!

[Strauss]

Taken from the Express comments section:

The SIA was formalized by an Act of parliament n 1995 but Kamla wants intelligent ppl to believe that nobody knew of the existence of this unit and what they do and who they report too.

Interesting.

Taken from the ACTUAL EXPRESS ARTICLE

In a shock response to the discovery of an elaborately equipped and well-funded "intercept suite" within the SIA

Interesting but requires reading comprehension.

[Strauss]

I wonder how these people are feeling now?

Max Richards
Colm Imbert
Penelope Beckles
Shelly Dass

Yet no 'intelligence gathering' was done on Calder Hart.

[RASC]

ent to get a wire tap u need court order, ent to dig up personal documents you need a court order of some sort.

so as long as tdad doesn't have it, it is facking illegal. end of discussion. what are we back in the days of WW II ? these PNM-ites are really sickening and disgusting.

So it is illegal, good, I'm waiting to see who gets charged for it . The PNM isn't in power anymore, so I'm pretty sure that the PP, unlike the PNM, will actually act and not turn a blind eye to this blatant lawlessness. Lets see how long before someone gets charged and prosecuted!