The Religion Discussion

[megadoc1]

-what do u think
-isnt that answered already
-jesus is loving
(and the long time favorite)
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megga's comments amount to footers, cause they lack content. aren't u afraid jesus gonna think u cannot find where he said that there are aliens?

so according to mg, he say de bible say it dont have aliens
and according to u the bible does say it have aliens.

which is the truth? can u shed some light megga, or are u gonna let us wade in ignorance.
please oh megga, teach us the bible, thump that bible

look who talking you dont even know what you believe in to begin with far more to understand it or present it
tell us about your god

[illumin@ti]

Allyuh take it easy on de lunatic.. hes being just what he can be. An arrogant 'good' christian..

i gave up on him since bout page 2, i only continue really for entertainment factor. its actually funny watching him try to dance around questions like a ball hitting bumpers in a pinball machine. Megaduck i should call you. Yuh not fooling anyone but yourself and the other weak minded ppl that would dotishly follow a blind man to demise. Allyuh mad.... you, blue et al.

You spin so much times and dont know that every which way you turn you stil cant dodge the questions with half-arsed responses. The plain truth of the matter is that your arse is scared shitless. you dont truly love your god in the way you tout. You just ran back to him conveniently when the water got too hot for you. So upon what moral authority can you now come here and pontificate about righteousness and sin?...... when indeed u were caught with yuh hand in de cookie jar just yesterday peepin in on a lustful NWS ched. (yeah, i saw the screenshots and yes.... i lol'd)

Its the same thing i constantly see with you and yours...... constantly trying to put others to burn at the stake before yuh try and bun yuh own garbage.. And stop with this hypocritical holier than thou act .... its not fooling anyone

[switchblademaster]

MG Man on the whole dog thing. A couple questions if I may. Are they created in the image and likeness of God? Did God breathe life into they, which is where we believe the soul comes into play? Do they have a soul to redeem from the fires of hell? Do you wish that God come down and gather them and take them to the TSPCA or open a pound for them? If so, why don't we asking him to come and clean or nations drains, that we throw rubbish in all the times, so the when he sends so much rain people's homes will not flood? While we at it we could get him to widen the drain to accommodate more water. Plow the garden and plant the seeds so we could have food, and pave the roads... Why don't you go and take care of the stray dogs, take ABA with you, since there are somethings God has given us authority to do. When all is done you guys can put another tick in your eternal report card next to goodness and dangle it over god's head when you guys get there.

No offense but somethings stated here are just for the say of arguing

this is a little troubling for me cause this says immediately that humans are above all other species and should look down to them. Isn't this some form of negative thinking??

It reminds me of a story that a friend of mine who hunts:
These ppl are from south and hunt and wild meat. This particular trip the game was monkey. They were in the forest and spotted one but in the process of trying to capture it the monkey also spotted them. As he aimed his weapon the monkey ran up the tree and picked up one of her young ones (she was a mother which they did not know) and showed it to them. She then tried to protect her young at all cost. After that they Went home.

I think it is safe to say that the mother monkey showed or exhibited love to her young one. Are you trying to say that even though an animal of so called “lower” species should be considered not having any soul even though they can express love? Isn’t God pure, unselfish, humble love!! Hence, any living thing that can express love that kind of selfless love doesn’t that have to come from somewhere?
A higher place??

[megadoc1]

^^ u mean try not to sin, that u will try not to sin. not that belief in jesus gonna automatically stop u from sinning, but if u believe in him, u would try ur best to not disgrace him and try not to commit sin, is dat what u mean?

check toyo's post

[toyo682]

Smash I understand your concerns, but you must keep in mind that Adam did get punished too. Does it really matter if he use 1, 2 or 20 trees, look at the plan and out come that is desired. Sometimes we just don't understand why God's ways are higher than ours, I guess that's what makes him God. Keep in mind the temptation from the beginning was to be like God which is what Satan wanted to do. Notice the serpent did not tempt Eve to eat from the tree of life. I guess we can say God knew which one Satan would use and thus be able to justify man once more, as like I said Satan's rebellion was willful but Man's was deceptive. (However one should not form a doctrine on these beliefs of mine)

PS I am assuming you are Muslim, so tell me what you think about this article about Allah being the moon god..http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

[Chimera]

I will attempt to sum up Jesus and his followers using sayings and quotes from nismo,bluefete,toyo and megadoc1

If megadoc,bluefete/toyo are to be taken as representatives of their religion, it seems to me that that their arguments are child like.

You ask them something, they say "look who talking"

You tell them to prove something , they say "read the bible"

You tell them the bible isn't proof, they say "Well God said so"

Where did God say so? "In the Bible"

But, the bible was man written, "God loves me, REPENT!"

Repent why? Didnt God die for your sins? "yes but we commit sins everyday/No I do not sin" (this one is still not decided, as one of them says yes they sin everyday, the other says no he never sins and is guaranteed a space in heaven)

What about innocent children and babies? "They are paying for sins of their parents AND ancestors"


But ent you only suppose 2 be in sheit if you yourself have sinned? "REPENT! SEEK FORGIVENESS!"

Is the holocaust God's work? "REPENT! SEEK FORGIVENESS! WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION GOOD"


Why should we respect your religion if you show no respect for others? You go as far as to call other Gods demons " Because you need to respect God, God does not need to respect you"

So what about the poor animals that Noah supposedly saved on his Ark? Them nuh important, God come to save humans

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

PS I am assuming you are Muslim, so tell me what you think about this article about Allah being the moon god..http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

that's an untruthful article
I wouldn't trust anything from that site if that is the kind of uneducated religious propaganda they are publishing

if that is the kind of things you read and believe then I can understand why you believe what you believe.

[toyo682]

Switchblademaster, don't give me wrong I was merely trying to show why we need the grace of God. We have a soul that can be subject to eternal punishment. I was in no way advocating animal cruelty, which I think is wrong. Further more if your friend had the love of God in them maybe their actions would have been different. Now keep in mind that my beliefs are based on the Bible, which according to it does not tell us that animals have a soul. God will be the judge of that as far as I am concern. But sin affects all levels of creation not just man.

[megadoc1]

Allyuh take it easy on de lunatic.. hes being just what he can be. An arrogant 'good' christian..

i gave up on him since bout page 2, i only continue really for entertainment factor. its actually funny watching him try to dance around questions like a ball hitting bumpers in a pinball machine.how many questions have you answered ? Megaduck i should call you. Yuh not fooling anyone i have no intention to do so but yourself and the other weak minded ppl that would dotishly follow a blind man to demise. Allyuh mad.... you, blue et al. who do you think you are fooling?

You spin so much times and dont know that every which way you turn you stil cant dodge the questions with half-arsed responses.eye for an eye ? The plain truth of the matter is that your arse is scared shitless. you dont truly love your god satan tries this line all the time in the way you tout. You just ran back to him conveniently when the water got too hot for you.where is your proof? So upon what moral authority can you now come here and pontificate about righteousness and sin?......the authority of the most high when indeed u were caught with yuh hand in de cookie jar just yesterday peepin in on a lustful NWS ched. (yeah, i saw the screenshots and yes.... i lol'd) lol post them nah!!
does it mean God is not true?

Its the same thing i constantly see with you and yours...... constantly trying to put others to burn at the stake before yuh try and bun yuh own garbage.. And stop with this hypocritical holier than thou act .... its not fooling anyone are you some what troubled by this?

[megadoc1]

PS I am assuming you are Muslim, so tell me what you think about this article about Allah being the moon god..http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

that's an untruthful article
I wouldn't trust anything from that site if that is the kind of uneducated religious propaganda they are publishing

if that is the kind of things you read and believe then I can understand why you believe what you believe.

what about this site ?
http://www.carm.org/islam

[illumin@ti]

round and round we go .....

[toyo682]

ABA trading clearly you have not been reading my post I have posted alot about my experience not just saying the bible says, in fact I think for the most I have tried to be subjective, i guess you think otherwise. But keep in mind you and many others have not even attempted to answer any of my question, you dance just as much you claim others do.

Duane concerning the article that is why I asked what smash thought about in and did not say this is it. Now he and others can clear refute the article. And please do not hit me with it is wrong because the Qur'an says.

If I am so wrong in my beliefs then show me proof, what you think is not proof to me, just like what I think is not proof to you. I ask for you guys to share you experiences with your religion, the supernatural experience you have had that gives you reason to believe what you believe. Tell me if they have ever cases a demon name Jesus out of a person, while in your presence, and be truthful about it. none of you seem to seem to want to answer my question, but are contented to say I am wrong. Many of you are not as subjective as you think.

[megadoc1]

ABA trading clearly you have not been reading my post I have posted alot about my experience not just saying the bible says, in fact I think for the most I have tried to be subjective, i guess you think otherwise. But keep in mind you and many others have not even attempted to answer any of my question, you dance just as much you claim others do.

Duane concerning the article that is why I asked what smash thought about in and did not say this is it. Now he and others can clear refute the article. And please do not hit me with it is wrong because the Qur'an says.

If I am so wrong in my beliefs then show me proof, what you think is not proof to me, just like what I think is not proof to you. I ask for you guys to share you experiences with your religion, the supernatural experience you have had that gives you reason to believe what you believe. Tell me if they have ever cases a demon name Jesus out of a person, while in your presence, and be truthful about it. none of you seem to seem to want to answer my question, but are contented to say I am wrong. Many of you are not as subjective as you think.

I second that, post your supernatural experience
or sit back up and learn something

[Chimera]

LOL

Your experiences can lies, what proof do you have that what you said is real?

Toyo I think you asked earlier what I believed in, I believe in one basic thing, Treat others as you would have them treat you.

You won't see me spending time behind prayers,time in the church or temple or mosque,
Imho, the money I would have spent behind such (A hindu prayers usually cost upwards of $5000) can be better given to a needy family or some ACTUAL charity.
Time spent in church and prayer is wasted time, time that could have been spent doing something productive.
That said, I'd have to say 99% of my friends all strongly believe in their religions and I do attend their prayers/religious functions/whateveryoumaycall it, and I say my own silent prayers if called upon to pray with the group.

My prayers usually consist of "Dear God, (no name specified), Please help my family and friends have healthy and prosperous lives, may we all find happiness, keep us away from danger, (if theres some other notable topic around that time such as haiti disaster etc), Please help the people in Haiti in their time of need etc. Amen/Om Shanti/Praise God (depends on where i praying)

You speak of supernatural experiences, as if that serves as proof of jesus christ.

I have one notable supernatural experience,

it involved my girlfriend seeing what was apparently my grandfather's ghost, during pitar pak (not sure of spelling) while she was webcamming with me. He had died a year before, and the family wasnt in agreement of when to do his 1 year prayers, as some people did it at 11 months, some did it at 12 months, and pitar pak is supposedly the time that the spirits of the dead walk the earth.

I most likely not ever going to post up the full story on that.




You speak of exorcising demons named Kali and Buddha, but that sounds to me more like you chased away one spirit to put your own evil spirit.

[megadoc1]

LOL

You speak of exorcising demons named Kali and Buddha, but that sounds to me more like you chased away one spirit to put your own evil spirit.

this where he ask to post your experience where someone cast out a demon named jesus

[illumin@ti]

megaduck ,, careful what yuh wish for eh ....

7pm, tune in

[Chimera]

Well one day, I was up by my uncle Harrylal in Debe, and several of the cows were sick, Much of the chickens had died recently also, the same night, his 15 year old son took in ill, he had a very high fever and was cold sweating, the doctor could not explain what was wrong with him, and give him two panadol and told him to take a sleep.

This is when Rookmin, the village midwife (having delivered the son 15 years ago) came to see him, and instantly said that he had a evil spirit within him.

She called for some cow manure, and made a cross on his chest and sprinkled Garlic power into his hair and eyes, at this he got up and said "JESUS WHAT THE firetruck YOU DOING"

It was then we realized the evil spirit's name was Jesus and he was killing the animals (because he doesnt care about animals)

And had taken over the young boy's body (cuz apparently followers of Jesus have a attraction for young boys)

We threw some milk and saffron on him, and saw a dark cloud leave his body, after that he was well again, and the animals got better.
The chickens that died, we curried them and donated them to the church down the road, it was our way of giving back to the community.

[bluefete]

People, give me a chance to breathe please. I have 4 pages to catch up on and I am on a borrowed system for now. That means I can't stay long. My system will be back up in a couple days.

ABA - There is nothing wrong with your prayers.

Illuminati: We all sin, ask forgiveness, and fall back into sin again. Such is our nature. However, what makes it difficult is that the Bible says that when a man KNOWS the right thing, is forgiven for what he did wrong, but chooses to go back and do the wrong thing, it is worse for him (something like a dog going back to its own vomit). But how many of us do exactly that so often?

Jesus once said to a man that he healed "Go and sin no more". Sin causes sickness and disease and unhappiness. It is important to remember that we constantly need forgiveness from God for some of the things we do EVERY day.

I have some reading to catch up on here.

Be back when my system is working.

[megadoc1]

megadoc1 I not roughing u up or anything but I'm just wondering about this exorcism you conducted. Are you being serious and don't you know as a Christian it is dangerous? as a true christian we are given total authority over demonic beings, they fear us and we cast them to hell the only time they are dangerous to us is when we engage in fornication, lusts and anything that transgresses God's law I mean I've hear of ministers, pastors, priests and all other religious heads saying that it's 'not something to try at home' that is a lie demonic beings can be challenged anywhere because it is not me who does it it is the work of Godif you get my drift. You wanna share the details of your experience please?when i was about tell you ,you lock meh off but i will still do for your own sake I'm very interested to hear. Really.give me some time

[nismotrinidappa]

ABA trading clearly you have not been reading my post I have posted alot about my experience not just saying the bible says, in fact I think for the most I have tried to be subjective, i guess you think otherwise. But keep in mind you and many others have not even attempted to answer any of my question, you dance just as much you claim others do.
Duane concerning the article that is why I asked what smash thought about in and did not say this is it. Now he and others can clear refute the article. And please do not hit me with it is wrong because the Qur'an says.

If I am so wrong in my beliefs then show me proof, what you think is not proof to me, just like what I think is not proof to you. I ask for you guys to share you experiences with your religion, the supernatural experience you have had that gives you reason to believe what you believe. Tell me if they have ever cases a demon name Jesus out of a person, while in your presence, and be truthful about it. none of you seem to seem to want to answer my question, but are contented to say I am wrong. Many of you are not as subjective as you think.

man they not bringing anything of substance to the table... just ignorantly bashing and nitpicking on anything and everything said and taking it out of the context..


i do see that megadoc and bluefete are a bit overzealous and somethings they say i dont agree with or their methods... but that is them..

on the other hand toyo and i have presented more information and ideas.in a more logical simple way

[toyo682]

LOL

Your experiences can lies, what proof do you have that what you said is real?I can bring the people for you to meet if that helps

Toyo I think you asked earlier what I believed in, I believe in one basic thing, Treat others as you would have them treat you. Good the Bible teaches this love your neighbor as yourself, but what about the other commands.

1. You shall have no other gods before me.

2. You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6. You shall not murder. Jesus took this further to say if you hate you commit murder

7. You shall not commit adultery. and he said if you look at a woman with lust you done this.

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.” Every wish you had what someone else had.

Muslims believe in the law of Moses, also I have personal heard Hindu priest say the Bible has good teaching this being some of them. etc, etc So it seems to me not matter what religion you belong to most of them believe that these are good teachings that have the potential to help us please god. Oh and we have to follow all not some, just like we have to follow all not some of the laws of this land. (although the men you turn right from the left lane may disagree, and those who use the shoulder.)


You won't see me spending time behind prayers,time in the church or temple or mosque,
Imho, the money I would have spent behind such (A hindu prayers usually cost upwards of $5000) can be better given to a needy family or some ACTUAL charity. Agreed that is why don't charge people any money for prayer of any kind. that is why I spend my gas money and time to go the hospital to pray for people freely at times
Time spent in church and prayer is wasted time, time that could have been spent doing something productive.It is only a waste if you are playing church, if so I agree with you one should stay home.
That said, I'd have to say 99% of my friends all strongly believe in their religions and I do attend their prayers/religious functions/whateveryoumaycall it, and I say my own silent prayers if called upon to pray with the group.

My prayers usually consist of "Dear God, (no name specified), Please help my family and friends have healthy and prosperous lives, may we all find happiness, keep us away from danger, (if theres some other notable topic around that time such as haiti disaster etc), Please help the people in Haiti in their time of need etc. Amen/Om Shanti/Praise God (depends on where i praying)

So let me see if I understand this, you have created a god after who wants him to be and follow your own religion to suit, that makes more sense to me now. Like I said earlier, the rapist god and religion allows him to be who he is, or even if you want to say lack of it. Also I personal find it hard to follow a god I can't know, or does not want to reveal himself to me. Only people I know that use different aliases are con men.

You speak of supernatural experiences, as if that serves as proof of jesus christ.Well these experiences have also been experienced by other, remember I was praying for them when it happened. So my experiences line up with what the Bible says but they are not proof. So when scientist experience something that to which they only had theories before these experience don't prove the theory true. A lot of science just went down in flames there

I have one notable supernatural experience,So your one trumps my several, I get you holding the Ace.

it involved my girlfriend seeing what was apparently my grandfather's ghost, during pitar pak (not sure of spelling) while she was webcamming with me. He had died a year before, and the family wasnt in agreement of when to do his 1 year prayers, as some people did it at 11 months, some did it at 12 months, and pitar pak is supposedly the time that the spirits of the dead walk the earth.What did he say, how is the other side?

I most likely not ever going to post up the full story on that.I wonder why?




You speak of exorcising demons named Kali and Buddha, but that sounds to me more like you chased away one spirit to put your own evil spirit. So let me get this straight evil chasing away evil to replace it with evil. Makes sense now.

[toyo682]

Well one day, I was up by my uncle Harrylal in Debe, and several of the cows were sick, Much of the chickens had died recently also, the same night, his 15 year old son took in ill, he had a very high fever and was cold sweating, the doctor could not explain what was wrong with him, and give him two panadol and told him to take a sleep.

This is when Rookmin, the village midwife (having delivered the son 15 years ago) came to see him, and instantly said that he had a evil spirit within him.

She called for some cow manure, and made a cross on his chest and sprinkled Garlic power into his hair and eyes, at this he got up and said "JESUS WHAT THE firetruck YOU DOING" So I am a bit confused, so after she may a sign of the cross, which is a symbol of Christianity and death of Jesus. The demon asked Jesus what he was doing? or said his name is Jesus what you are doing? Or was it that the demon Jesus ask the God Jesus what he was doing. Oh and were did you guys pull this ritual from?

It was then we realized the evil spirit's name was Jesus and he was killing the animals (because he doesnt care about animals)

And had taken over the young boy's body (cuz apparently followers of Jesus have a attraction for young boys)

We threw some milk and saffron on him, and saw a dark cloud leave his body, after that he was well again, and the animals got better.
The chickens that died, we curried them and donated them to the church down the road, it was our way of giving back to the community.

Notice when I put out this challenge I said truthfully eh, not make believe.

[Chimera]

Well one day, I was up by my uncle Harrylal in Debe, and several of the cows were sick, Much of the chickens had died recently also, the same night, his 15 year old son took in ill, he had a very high fever and was cold sweating, the doctor could not explain what was wrong with him, and give him two panadol and told him to take a sleep.

This is when Rookmin, the village midwife (having delivered the son 15 years ago) came to see him, and instantly said that he had a evil spirit within him.

She called for some cow manure, and made a cross on his chest and sprinkled Garlic power into his hair and eyes, at this he got up and said "JESUS WHAT THE firetruck YOU DOING" So I am a bit confused, so after she may a sign of the cross, which is a symbol of Christianity and death of Jesus. The demon asked Jesus what he was doing? or said his name is Jesus what you are doing? Or was it that the demon Jesus ask the God Jesus what he was doing. Oh and were did you guys pull this ritual from?

It was then we realized the evil spirit's name was Jesus and he was killing the animals (because he doesnt care about animals)

And had taken over the young boy's body (cuz apparently followers of Jesus have a attraction for young boys)

We threw some milk and saffron on him, and saw a dark cloud leave his body, after that he was well again, and the animals got better.
The chickens that died, we curried them and donated them to the church down the road, it was our way of giving back to the community.

Notice when I put out this challenge I said truthfully eh, not make believe.

How dare you say my experience is a lie?

Your experiences all sound make believe to me.

[sMASH]

oh gosh, i feelin for blue, i gone for a few mins and look what goin on..
alrite i owe toyo some answers. but i will have to come back.

but the site u posted about the moon god, my cousin who are staunch christians told me that also a few years ago.

i do not have the resources to disprove what they say.
how come? because the middle eastern lands were filled with pagan/idol worshipers and i real poor.
what i do know and understand is:
the arabic word for god, like any normal use of 'god' like 'god of war', would be illah
but the word used to represent the one and only, the almighty, the creator of all things, the ultimate power, would be allah. it has started being translated as being 'the one god'
it is also used by persons of other religions to refer to god in the arabic language, because the word differentiates from the word illah, which means god in normal conversation,,, kinda like 'G'od and 'g'od.
if any pagan people used that term before, so be it. when i use it, and the other 1.3 billion muslims use it, we refer to the one true creator, the ultimate judge, the only one who can forgive sins, the singular, the one god.

[sMASH]

toyo,,,
this system appeals to me more and makes more sense to me than the trinity, where each man becomes accountable for his actions. this piece of logic amongst others.

"On no soul doth God Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) 'Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith.' (The Noble Quran, 2:286)"

"And fear the Day when ye shall be brought back to God. Then shall every soul be paid what it earned, and none shall be dealt with unjustly. (The Noble Quran, 2:281)"

"But how (will they fare) when we gather them together against a day about which there is no doubt, and each soul will be paid out just what it has earned, without (favour or) injustice? (The Noble Quran, 3:25)"

"On the Day when every soul will be confronted with all the good it has done, and all the evil it has done, it will wish there were a great distance between it and its evil. But God cautions you (To remember) Himself. And God is full of kindness to those that serve Him. (The Noble Quran, 3:30)"

"No prophet could (ever) be false to his trust. If any person is so false, He shall, on the Day of Judgment, restore what he misappropriated; then shall every soul receive its due,- whatever it earned,- and none shall be dealt with unjustly. (The Noble Quran, 3:161)"

"Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception. (The Noble Quran, 3:185)"

"If any one does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards seeks God's forgiveness, he will find God Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:110)" Allah Almighty forgives sins if we ask for forgiveness.

"And if any one earns sin. he earns it against His own soul: for God is full of knowledge and wisdom. (The Noble Quran, 4:111)"

"Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except God: if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting God. (The Noble Quran, 6:70)"

"But those who believe and work righteousness,- no burden do We place on any soul, but that which it can bear,- they will be Companions of the Garden, therein to dwell (for ever). (The Noble Quran, 7:42)"

"Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it. (The Noble Quran, Noble Verses 99:7-8)"

this last quote was one of the first piece of logic i found out about... no body saving no body, just being accountable for ur choices

[megadoc1]

megadoc1 You wanna share the details of your experience please?when i was about tell you ,you lock meh off but i will still do for your own sake I'm very interested to hear. Really.give me some time

Nah man doh study it; tuner unites us.
Just spill it.

For the last five years I was involved in a fornicative relationship with a girl from Tobago
Who ran away from home at a young age to live with me
But between 2008 to 2009 things was getting a bit rocky because I had real woman around me at the time. So she (my current girlfriend) started going to some church I didn’t really care at that time where She was going But the pastor at the church she went to revealed to her that there Were things operating in her life that she needs to get rid off (deliverance) but stupid me making mockery of it
there was one girl in particular from the US who will visit every year but this one time she got pregnant for me(I think she lied) and my child mother(another chick) on hearing so, called up my girlfriend and told her the news and this girl just blew. For two weeks straight demonic being started manifesting themselves telling me all sorts of stuff like …… “they want her to kill herself “ but I am in their way but at that time I didn’t understand what they meant but they were only repeating that ….I am in their way
“let her go back home so they can finish do what they were sent to do”… well I tort she gone mad and telling me them things but soon after she would return normal and calm (I was very afraid) a few days after she went to church and they prayed for her but told her they need to see me because it was very serious but I was like “hell no yuh wasn’t finding this *** in a church no time soon” so I turned them down. a few days before her date for deliverance she started experiencing tremendous pain but as soon as we reach the hospital, she is ok and all tests came up showing nothing and this cycle went on until the day for deliverance.
On the day of deliverance I went to pick her up and the pastor came out to see me he asked me to come inside but I told him “I am cool outside”, however he persuaded me to go in, after a lil while he ask me if I want him to pray for me and I was like “sure fix up” and he prayed and started casting out spirits of lusts, fornication and a whole lot of stuff and curses from my life, then he stopped and marveled a bit and asked “you serious” because the lord revealed to him who I am and he told me what is God’s will for my life, then he went on to tell me what was going on with my gf and that it was so serious that she needs to come back to complete it ,he also told me what to do whenever the demons manifest themselves again he showed me how they only subject themselves to the name of jesus and went on further to tell me try any other name that people call god and see for myself(because I was skeptical)
when they (the demons) did manifest themselves allah did not work, buddah ,never had a chance in fact the laughed at that one, I tried the others but when I said “Jesus” the demonic being looked at me serious and said “you don’t have enough faith” I repeated it this time saying “in the name of Jesus Christ son of the living God I bind you and rebuke you “ they went silent, I started asking them their name and stuff but they will lie or sometimes not answer but when I remind them that they are before God they submit themselves ,,, well from that point I felt like "superman" jed
on the day of deliverance we cast out thousands of demons from this girl they were like four kingdoms with demonic beings from all those religions that people called gods in Trinidad. Her aunt from Tobago was orisha and she attended a feast and ate so she was cursed, plus her aunt did not like her and never wanted her to succeed in life, cursed her school books and her mind so she cannot learn and cursed her womb so she cant have children, cursed her mind so she can go mad and kill herself(before God the demons do tell how they got there who sent them and what they did to get them there) , her grandmother seek the service of obeah men so she was cursed for that too (yes just consulting evildoers will result in a curse)her grandmother also seek the service of a pundit so she was cursed for that and each one of these curse caused her or the family to do something to bring on more curses in her life
anyways for seven hours I witnessed a lot of demons being cast out into the pits of hell one after the other and many of them are considered as gods or are the product of so called gods in Trinidad and Tobago I am glad to report that all of these curses where broken in the name of Jesus. There is so much more to this but it is too much to post plus a lot of people will be offended but if anyone of you think it is false All I can say to you is come and see for yourselves or come and prove God wrong
Tuner church lime anyone?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

you realise allyuh talking more about demons than God.
That's like saying the proof that the Police doing a great job is because of all the crime it have around... but they dealing with it one by one, yuh just hadda believe in the police and they will help you.

If the police was really doing a good job then there would be no crime to talk about!

PS I am assuming you are Muslim, so tell me what you think about this article about Allah being the moon god..http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

that's an untruthful article
I wouldn't trust anything from that site if that is the kind of uneducated religious propaganda they are publishing

if that is the kind of things you read and believe then I can understand why you believe what you believe.

what about this site ?
http://www.carm.org/islam

that is no better than this
www.alislam.org/library/books/true-christianity-leads-to-islam

stop being biased, wearing blinkers and comforting yourself by reading a Christian website to learn about Islam or any other religion.

Read the Qu'ran and Hadith if you want to learn about Islam.
Read the Torah or the entire Tanakh if you want to learn about Judaism.
Read the 18 chapters of the Bhagavad Gita if you want to start to learn about Hinduism.

and for crying out loud stop using circular logic to prove your points!

[sMASH]

now i understand megga a bit more.

[illumin@ti]

now i understand megga a bit more.

eh ,, i will leave de man alone. He appears to be the exorcist. Ah wonder what demons he could rattle outta my cage boy ,<shrugs>

[nismotrinidappa]

This Jesus thing not sounding too bad.

I basically can just live life as I want it, go to church every once in a while (to show meh face na, and see if it have any bess thing (Pastor's daughters are always great )) in church who could help me with "bible study".

Drink,Smoke,Womanize as much as I want, engage in criminal activities or lustful desires,

Then when I on my deathbed, I just hadda repent and ask forgiveness, and I getting into heaven!

LOL you guys gonna sure be angry when you see me sitting next to you after my life of promiscuity and happiness, while you lived life as nothing more than a empty vessel.

aba trading lol.... plan sounding good but 1 problem... you would be sinning willfully knowingly all your life..

listen to this story... there was a young beautiful girl, very beautiful, lola kinda beautiful.. there were dozens of gusy after her rich and poor young and old.. she was living the jet set life.. flying all over partying, visiting the more vinos, zens, etc.. she knew she was missing out on god.. but life was too good. she decided she would turn to god and settle down her life after she had just a lil bit of fun and enjoyed life first... sadly one day while coming from liming the car she was in crashed and she died instantly.. never made a relationship with god and always kept putting it off till its too late.

thats why it wont work.. and even if you did thats no excuse to do wrong.. you should want to do right. you should want to not smoke drink and womanize because you know its wrong ( addictive behaviour).

criminal and lustful desires.....gosh you know it wrong.. i dont need to tell you that or do i?