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WTK: "Breaking in" new Engine

Postby Val » August 11th, 2006, 11:07 am

As the topic says, I'd just like to know the proper method to "break in" a new engine.

Some people say break it in hard (rev high, drive it hard) and it will become a more powerful engine with higher tolerances etc. Some people say take it slow and keep the revs low to make the engine a long lasting one.

Tuners, please clarify.

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Postby Val » August 11th, 2006, 11:09 am

Got this info thus far:

Breaking-In a New Car

Most manufacturers have recommendations in the handbooks.

Basically you start off treating the engine very gently i.e. gentle revs and never more than 1/4 throttle. Over time you gradually use more revs and more throttle until you eventually end up using the full range of the engine. It is important to eventually end up using all the power and rev range to wear harden various parts. It is also important that you do not keep to a single continuous speed or gear but vary your speed quite a bit during this time (a long highway journey is NOT a good break in if you just sit in top gear at a continuous speed). This is because things are still hardening up and you can wear a groove into them.

Modern engines break in relatively quickly, often 1000km, older designs took longer as the tolerances were not as precise. The first oil change is often a lot sooner than later ones as during break in rough edges from manufacturing will be worn off and end up in the oil.

Here is more advice from other FAQ Farmers:

* Drive it gently. general rule is not to exceed 3000 - 3500 rpm. for the first 500 miles. It is also a good idea to be kind to it for the first 2000 miles.

* "Breaking in" your cars engine is an old myth, it is also bull. Rule #1 if you want your engine to last a long time, treat it gentle all the time, not just for the first 1000km.

* Break in is important. All engine bearings and cylinders, etc. must wear evenly and proper. Also, piston rings need to seat. Have you ever seen a new engine burn oil until it breaks in? Some piston ring take up to 5000 miles to fully seat or wear evenly to cylinder bore. Not following proper break in proceders could result in premature engine/parts failure.

* This depends whether you purchase or lease a car. With a purchase you should break a car in for the reasons and using the methods described before, ignoring the one comment about it being BS. If the vehicle is a lease you may skip the break-in period if you so wish. Since not breaking-in a car may result in improper wear of parts, or even engine failure, during the warranty period it will be covered, and a leased car will be returned to the dealer before the warranty period expires.

* You shouldn't just break-in your car if you are buying it. Even if you are leasing it you should. Do the next guy a favor. A very inconsiderate answer man. Besides some people lease it and then decide they like it and want to buy it, so I say, you should break it in anyway. No matter what.

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Personally I would buy a german car. They don't need to be "babied" when they are new. I would take that thing over 100mph right away...b.ecause that is WHY you buy a performance car.

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Just because a car is german doesn't mean you shouldn't break it in... Heck, if German cars are of such good quality to begin with, breaking THEM in would be even further benefit.

For those of us spending 18 grand or less on a simple car, it sounds as though just taking it easy is the best bet. I'm running a ten year old Civic with over 207k miles on it. It was treated gently in the beginning, and still gets special treatment (though 80mph or so on the highway is far from uncommon), but has never had ANY major services... only wear-out parts have been replaced.

Take it easy on your car, you entrust your life to it each time you get in... the least you could do is show it some respect and concern. Besides, it'll save you money in the long run, too... a win-win situation.

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If you research on how to break-in a new engine on the web, most sites will tell you a procedure to break-in the piston rings (the only thing that matters). Their answer is far different from the crap people say on this site.

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70 MPH on the freeway for 3 hours straight. Best way. Will run perfect forever.

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the proper way to break in an engine is to drive at 30 mph and accelerate to 50 mph. Do this to break in the engine the proper way. Do this the first 3000 miles or so.

http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/How_should_you ... _a_new_car

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Postby TeamH2O » August 11th, 2006, 11:39 am

Always take it gentle on a new engine. Whoever said to rev it up hard to the max and itr will be stronger, thats like WTF? Just wearing off the engine more as it needs to really get it self in place or however the say it lol.

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Postby Strauss » August 11th, 2006, 3:19 pm

Treat it like giving a woman some good loving.
Start slowly then make her rev high. If you keep petting it up, it will think you is a soff man and not give you the performance you want.

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Postby pugboy » August 11th, 2006, 6:21 pm

if an engine wears in at low temperature, when it is run harder and at higher temps down the road it will have less tolerance due to the bigger expansion

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Postby redsupra101 » August 11th, 2006, 9:05 pm

no more than 3000rpm for first 800-1000km.. the higher being for if u do a lot of highway driving, no WOT/kick down an ting so.

after this drive it a bit faster for 800-1000km but then no more than 4-5000rpm in all but final gear, no more than 3000 in final gear (100-120km/h)

after that drive 'normal' but dont WOT stop.. WOT stop.. WOT stop.. if you going high up on the rev/speed.. take long to reach there and also take long to decelerate. remember is not only the engine breaking in also the transmission too

and do the breaking in partly with and partly without a/c and try to get some day some night as well.. doh be too 'day biased'

and dont jump in the car in a morning and go.. allowing the car to warm up is important on a fresh engine. i guess after the break in time u cud jump in car and drive, but i dont know much bout dat (i accustomed warming up while i have breakfast cuz as you know vtec doesnt engage on a cold motor :) )

now all that may not apply ehh as many new car manufacturers say how 'the engine done break in' and 'dese engines doh need breaking in' but the fact remains if something f#%ks up its your fault according to their book, they 'will not' accept liability.

within a month u shud be able to muffler bearing drive again.. but dont pull another DM on we eh..

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Postby sentraman » August 11th, 2006, 10:50 pm

^^I guess the same applies to a rebuilt engine but even more so because it is not pre-tested by the manufacturer.

Very soon I will be breaking in my rebuilt engine so I hope I do it correctly.

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Postby 3line » August 12th, 2006, 6:50 am

What would be the case with boosted cars? What levels of boost would be best to run, if any at all?

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Postby redsupra101 » August 12th, 2006, 4:17 pm

^ stock

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Postby Val » August 13th, 2006, 8:18 am

pugboy wrote:if an engine wears in at low temperature, when it is run harder and at higher temps down the road it will have less tolerance due to the bigger expansion


So is this necessarily a bad thing on an economy engine? What are the possible dangers of this?

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Postby V2NR 3.0 » August 13th, 2006, 9:34 pm

Partner - When i picked up my car from toyota, we had to go trade in some tyres in chaguanas...So i get on the highway and driving gentle gentle. The sales rep who was in the car with me looks at me and say "boy drive the car ! ! ".

He said if you "break in a car easy" it would always be very lazy and not maximized. Didnt cross 140km for first 5000 km ( oil change ). Meh old man was insistant on driving slow and babying the car.

Man after the first oil change...it was jamming everyday from san juan to point fortin.

Car works sweet...

Your call...

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Postby pugboy » August 13th, 2006, 11:02 pm

less compression as the heat expansion is more since there is more wear to start with
Val wrote:
pugboy wrote:if an engine wears in at low temperature, when it is run harder and at higher temps down the road it will have less tolerance due to the bigger expansion


So is this necessarily a bad thing on an economy engine? What are the possible dangers of this?

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Postby pete » August 14th, 2006, 9:01 am

All new cars have probably already been roughed up by the dealer transporting them from the port to the warehouse/showroom or giving people demonstration. I'll never forget when I saw a C*e* S**rt on D plates peelin tyres and wondered who the lucky person was gonna be to buy it. I wonder if that's the same one that has been plagued with clutch, and more recently gearbox, problems.

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Postby rolandk » August 14th, 2006, 9:34 am

New cars are already supposed to have their engine "brake in"

They're put on a ramp and run for a certain amount of miles at a low speed..................thats why your salesman may have recommended that you "drive d car"!

Some cars electronics will adapt to your driving habits, thats why you hear some ppl say to drive it hard when you now get it. But thats just BullShxxt. If you drive slow when you first get a car, the electronics will always re-adjust based on sustained driving patterns!

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