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Who do you believe will win General Elections 2025?

Poll ended at April 28th, 2025, 9:17 pm

People's National Movement (PNM)
23
48%
United National Congress (UNC) + Coalition of Interests (PEP, COP, OWTU, LOVE)
21
44%
Patriotic Front (PF)
2
4%
Tie/Deadlock
2
4%
 
Total votes: 48

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Postby pugboy » April 13th, 2025, 5:03 pm

sounds like another beg and admission that they did crap for 9 years

hover11 wrote:PNM Tobago Council political leader Ancil Dennis has urged Tobagonians not to trade long-term development for short-term giveaways, bribes, or empty promises as the general election approaches.

Read more:
https://www.cnc3.co.tt/dennis-dont-trad ... -handouts/


But PNM breadcrumbing us for nine yearsFB_IMG_1744569685378.jpg

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Postby mero » April 13th, 2025, 6:11 pm

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Jack Warner rent a goons in COP jersey but waving UNC flag on Maracas Bay causing traffic and bothering ppl. Sickening bad yes

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Postby Dave » April 13th, 2025, 6:16 pm

Small walkabout by Khatija in Bamboo 3.

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Postby VexXx Dogg » April 13th, 2025, 6:44 pm

https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/col ... c6f55.html

Man say vote anyone except UNC. Jeez

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Postby paid_influencer » April 13th, 2025, 7:18 pm

VexXx Dogg wrote:https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/columnists/for-whom-you-stain-the-finger/article_b38826d5-07e7-4366-94c1-5b27825c6f55.html

Man say vote anyone except UNC. Jeez


you could tell when somebody well sheltered now. tomorrow is monday. I have to go work like dog and deal with potentially getting robbed and kill out just trying to make ends meet. Last week somebody chit in a bag and put it outside my door. human chit.

On election day, I will be voting based on crime and the economy.

I hope that principled enough for Mr Shah. He alone have principles i think.

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Postby hover11 » April 13th, 2025, 7:22 pm

What I want to know is if they were living in a bubble for the last 9+ years. Why are they suddenly making promises as if now competing for a chance in power. Why wasn't these things addressed while they had the power to do so. If the people are happy and contented with the present leadership then their win should be effortless.

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Postby The_Honourable » April 13th, 2025, 7:32 pm

NTA targets UNC supporters as PNM voters too stubborn

POLITICAL Leader of the National Transformation Alliance (NTA) Gary Griffith has clarified the reason the focus of its attention in this election is on the UNC and not the PNM. He says it is because the "PNM-till-I-die voters" could not be convinced to switch allegiance.

Griffith said even though the current PNM government was the worst the country had ever seen, the NTA had trained its attention on wooing the 350,000 plus floating voters – the independent thinkers – to vote for the NTA.

“In 1986, the PNM was at its worst and still acquired over 180,000 votes.”

In 2010, he said, even though the government functioned at its lowest, some 300,000 voters still cast a vote for the PNM.

“After 10 years and obviously the worst government the country has ever seen, you think what we say now is going to change the minds of those 300,000 'PNM-till-I-die' voters?

Griffith said his party was targeting the independent voters who were outside the influence of the PNM, hoping to convince them that the NTA, and not the UNC was the more viable option for Trinidad and Tobago.

"The option here is really for that 350,000 who are going to vote for the UNC or the NTA. And we have to show to the country we are the viable option and also to show the country the UNC is not...

"We have to make sure there would never be a repeat of the Reshmis, the Life Sport, Colour Me Orange, Hoop of Life...remove people like Dwayne Gibbs and bring Stephen Williams. We have to make sure you make the right choice."

More: https://newsday.co.tt/2025/04/12/nta-ta ... -stubborn/

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Postby st7 » April 13th, 2025, 8:09 pm

paid_influencer wrote:
VexXx Dogg wrote:https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/columnists/for-whom-you-stain-the-finger/article_b38826d5-07e7-4366-94c1-5b27825c6f55.html

Man say vote anyone except UNC. Jeez


you could tell when somebody well sheltered now. tomorrow is monday. I have to go work like dog and deal with potentially getting robbed and kill out just trying to make ends meet. Last week somebody chit in a bag and put it outside my door. human chit.

On election day, I will be voting based on crime and the economy.

I hope that principled enough for Mr Shah. He alone have principles i think.
I'll take things that never happened for $500

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Postby alfa » April 13th, 2025, 8:45 pm

The_Honourable wrote:NTA targets UNC supporters as PNM voters too stubborn

POLITICAL Leader of the National Transformation Alliance (NTA) Gary Griffith has clarified the reason the focus of its attention in this election is on the UNC and not the PNM. He says it is because the "PNM-till-I-die voters" could not be convinced to switch allegiance.

Griffith said even though the current PNM government was the worst the country had ever seen, the NTA had trained its attention on wooing the 350,000 plus floating voters – the independent thinkers – to vote for the NTA.

“In 1986, the PNM was at its worst and still acquired over 180,000 votes.”

In 2010, he said, even though the government functioned at its lowest, some 300,000 voters still cast a vote for the PNM.

“After 10 years and obviously the worst government the country has ever seen, you think what we say now is going to change the minds of those 300,000 'PNM-till-I-die' voters?

Griffith said his party was targeting the independent voters who were outside the influence of the PNM, hoping to convince them that the NTA, and not the UNC was the more viable option for Trinidad and Tobago.

"The option here is really for that 350,000 who are going to vote for the UNC or the NTA. And we have to show to the country we are the viable option and also to show the country the UNC is not...

"We have to make sure there would never be a repeat of the Reshmis, the Life Sport, Colour Me Orange, Hoop of Life...remove people like Dwayne Gibbs and bring Stephen Williams. We have to make sure you make the right choice."

More: https://newsday.co.tt/2025/04/12/nta-ta ... -stubborn/

Basically trying to split the vote while still losing his deposit

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Postby paid_influencer » April 13th, 2025, 8:58 pm

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Postby killercow » April 13th, 2025, 11:39 pm

What is the possibility that if PNM wins, the next President would be Rowley?

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Postby Gladiator » April 13th, 2025, 11:47 pm

hover11 wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:485369896_1081870903969278_89012769679876828_n.jpg

read the banner on the podium. somebody explain to meh this new chapter nah. what is this new chapter
My thing is if we moving forward with young why is Rowley still in the background lurking, is this an attempt to regain grassroots supporters but the majority of ppl hate Rowley is bringing up to speak or say anything wouldn't that be doing more harm than good. Even the mites know if it was Rowley vs kamla in this rounds , PNM cutarse was booked because the support for Rowley has decipated


His return to the podium is a clear sign that the PNM senses trouble and needs him to hone in their grassroots. This will backfire due to the fact that he is more hated than before and his bullying wont be effective this rounds.

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » April 14th, 2025, 5:25 am

Technically the man is still the political leader of the party, so he could appear on any podium.

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Postby hover11 » April 14th, 2025, 5:49 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Technically the man is still the political leader of the party, so he could appear on any podium.
I guess but time and place, he didn't leave on a good note

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Postby The_Honourable » April 14th, 2025, 10:40 am

AI experts say leaked audio is most likely real

Two AI analysts say a leaked audio clip, allegedly of a conversation between THA Chief Secretary Farley Augustine and Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar, is most likely real.

After the clip was posted on social media last weekend, Augustine denounced it as “foolishness” and an attempt to link his Tobago People’s Party with the United National Congress, while Persad-Bissessar described the audio as “fake news.”

However, according to one expert, the technology tells a different story.

“According to its synthesis model . . . it’s a two per cent possibility (it’s AI-generated)” said Steven Williams, an AI applications consultant and expert, with more than 30 years of experience in technology and a robust background in cybersecurity, data privacy, and digital media based in Barbados.

Williams analysed the 577-second audio file using three separate tools, including 11Labs, which he described as “the leading speech synthesis model.”

“It is very unlikely that this audio is generated either by them or the audio was manipulated in any way,” he explained. “I found no tool that gave me anything above two to five per cent that it is AI-generated.”

His report also highlighted the natural sound and rhythm in the recording — features that are difficult for AI to replicate.

“The audio was clean and consistent, in terms of things such as natural sound or ambience, ambient noise. Noise in the natural world is random. A bird chirping, a car passing by . . . AI could put certain elements in, but it would have a certain consistency to it,” Williams said.

He also noted that “there was no abrupt clipping” which is a red flag that could suggest audio splicing or manipulation.

When evaluating voice patterns, Williams said he looks for emotion, variation, and rhythm, all of which appeared in the clip.

“Voice dynamics vary in loudness and inflexion, so we find that AI hardly has the ability to do this and that and be expressive with sound and go up and down,” he explained.

“There was no existence of a pretence or an artificial instance of that. The tone was natural, right, and the human emotions conveyed right was that of a human being.”

He added: “Pauses and speech time appeared natural and responsive, not overly polished or robotic.

Williams said AI systems struggle with Caribbean dialects, especially Trinidadian and Tobagonian tones.

“Most AI tools are not trained on the Caribbean tonality and accenting. The likelihood that you would have some person train AI to obfuscate a single conversation is relatively low,” he said.

“You have to train in a completely new language.”

In the leaked recording, a male voice is heard discussing funds allegedly sent for two elections, a proposed political alliance, and what appeared to be a plan to undermine contractors in Tobago. While no speaker has been officially confirmed, the contents of the alleged recording have triggered debate and confusion in Tobago.

Williams was careful to note that his results were not a forensic ruling.

“Even AI, there’s no one or zero in terms of either yes or no. We talk about percentages,” he said.

However, based on the tests he conducted, he concluded that the natural timing, tone and speech pattern in the clip point away from AI involvement.”

Travis Sookoo, a cybersecurity advisor and machine learning researcher had a more cautious but insightful perspective on how to detect AI-generated voices, focusing on patterns the public can learn to recognise.

“There’s a sort of perfection that comes with it, even in speech,” he said.

“Even with dialect, you know, you will hear some sort of perfection.”

“Real speech has flaws. If the voice sounds too smooth, too perfect, that’s when you should be suspicious.”

Sookoo said with most AI tools, the rhythm and delivery might be too polished.

“If we look at how AI writes and how it says things back, it is usually in a perfectionist base,” he said.

Sookoo added that attention should be paid to tone, movement, dialect, and small details.

“There may be something that will catch your ear if you are listening to it, the intonation, how they use the accent, the dialect,” he said.

Both analysts called for more attention to be paid to digital literacy.

So far, no one has confirmed or denied who is speaking in the clip but with no signs of voice merging, no audio manipulation detected, and clear indicators of natural human speech, the tools seem to point in one direction.

“This is either a real conversation, or it’s the most advanced fake I’ve ever seen,” Williams said.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/ai-expe ... 6d797d7c1c

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Postby mamoo_pagal » April 14th, 2025, 10:53 am

killercow wrote:What is the possibility that if PNM wins, the next President would be Rowley?
Can't wait! Keithos playing the game well, UNC is a complete s...show

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Postby pugboy » April 14th, 2025, 11:09 am

yep
he gets to continuing interfering with stuff they bring to him
eg police commisioner

mamoo_pagal wrote:
killercow wrote:What is the possibility that if PNM wins, the next President would be Rowley?
Can't wait! Keithos playing the game well, UNC is a complete s...show

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Postby zoom rader » April 14th, 2025, 11:11 am

The_Honourable wrote:AI experts say leaked audio is most likely real

Two AI analysts say a leaked audio clip, allegedly of a conversation between THA Chief Secretary Farley Augustine and Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar, is most likely real.

After the clip was posted on social media last weekend, Augustine denounced it as “foolishness” and an attempt to link his Tobago People’s Party with the United National Congress, while Persad-Bissessar described the audio as “fake news.”

However, according to one expert, the technology tells a different story.

“According to its synthesis model . . . it’s a two per cent possibility (it’s AI-generated)” said Steven Williams, an AI applications consultant and expert, with more than 30 years of experience in technology and a robust background in cybersecurity, data privacy, and digital media based in Barbados.

Williams analysed the 577-second audio file using three separate tools, including 11Labs, which he described as “the leading speech synthesis model.”

“It is very unlikely that this audio is generated either by them or the audio was manipulated in any way,” he explained. “I found no tool that gave me anything above two to five per cent that it is AI-generated.”

His report also highlighted the natural sound and rhythm in the recording — features that are difficult for AI to replicate.

“The audio was clean and consistent, in terms of things such as natural sound or ambience, ambient noise. Noise in the natural world is random. A bird chirping, a car passing by . . . AI could put certain elements in, but it would have a certain consistency to it,” Williams said.

He also noted that “there was no abrupt clipping” which is a red flag that could suggest audio splicing or manipulation.

When evaluating voice patterns, Williams said he looks for emotion, variation, and rhythm, all of which appeared in the clip.

“Voice dynamics vary in loudness and inflexion, so we find that AI hardly has the ability to do this and that and be expressive with sound and go up and down,” he explained.

“There was no existence of a pretence or an artificial instance of that. The tone was natural, right, and the human emotions conveyed right was that of a human being.”

He added: “Pauses and speech time appeared natural and responsive, not overly polished or robotic.

Williams said AI systems struggle with Caribbean dialects, especially Trinidadian and Tobagonian tones.

“Most AI tools are not trained on the Caribbean tonality and accenting. The likelihood that you would have some person train AI to obfuscate a single conversation is relatively low,” he said.

“You have to train in a completely new language.”

In the leaked recording, a male voice is heard discussing funds allegedly sent for two elections, a proposed political alliance, and what appeared to be a plan to undermine contractors in Tobago. While no speaker has been officially confirmed, the contents of the alleged recording have triggered debate and confusion in Tobago.

Williams was careful to note that his results were not a forensic ruling.

“Even AI, there’s no one or zero in terms of either yes or no. We talk about percentages,” he said.

However, based on the tests he conducted, he concluded that the natural timing, tone and speech pattern in the clip point away from AI involvement.”

Travis Sookoo, a cybersecurity advisor and machine learning researcher had a more cautious but insightful perspective on how to detect AI-generated voices, focusing on patterns the public can learn to recognise.

“There’s a sort of perfection that comes with it, even in speech,” he said.

“Even with dialect, you know, you will hear some sort of perfection.”

“Real speech has flaws. If the voice sounds too smooth, too perfect, that’s when you should be suspicious.”

Sookoo said with most AI tools, the rhythm and delivery might be too polished.

“If we look at how AI writes and how it says things back, it is usually in a perfectionist base,” he said.

Sookoo added that attention should be paid to tone, movement, dialect, and small details.

“There may be something that will catch your ear if you are listening to it, the intonation, how they use the accent, the dialect,” he said.

Both analysts called for more attention to be paid to digital literacy.

So far, no one has confirmed or denied who is speaking in the clip but with no signs of voice merging, no audio manipulation detected, and clear indicators of natural human speech, the tools seem to point in one direction.

“This is either a real conversation, or it’s the most advanced fake I’ve ever seen,” Williams said.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/ai-expe ... 6d797d7c1c
As real as email gate

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Postby Mmoney607 » April 14th, 2025, 11:38 am

The_Honourable wrote:AI experts say leaked audio is most likely real

Two AI analysts say a leaked audio clip, allegedly of a conversation between THA Chief Secretary Farley Augustine and Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar, is most likely real.

After the clip was posted on social media last weekend, Augustine denounced it as “foolishness” and an attempt to link his Tobago People’s Party with the United National Congress, while Persad-Bissessar described the audio as “fake news.”

However, according to one expert, the technology tells a different story.

“According to its synthesis model . . . it’s a two per cent possibility (it’s AI-generated)” said Steven Williams, an AI applications consultant and expert, with more than 30 years of experience in technology and a robust background in cybersecurity, data privacy, and digital media based in Barbados.

Williams analysed the 577-second audio file using three separate tools, including 11Labs, which he described as “the leading speech synthesis model.”

“It is very unlikely that this audio is generated either by them or the audio was manipulated in any way,” he explained. “I found no tool that gave me anything above two to five per cent that it is AI-generated.”

His report also highlighted the natural sound and rhythm in the recording — features that are difficult for AI to replicate.

“The audio was clean and consistent, in terms of things such as natural sound or ambience, ambient noise. Noise in the natural world is random. A bird chirping, a car passing by . . . AI could put certain elements in, but it would have a certain consistency to it,” Williams said.

He also noted that “there was no abrupt clipping” which is a red flag that could suggest audio splicing or manipulation.

When evaluating voice patterns, Williams said he looks for emotion, variation, and rhythm, all of which appeared in the clip.

“Voice dynamics vary in loudness and inflexion, so we find that AI hardly has the ability to do this and that and be expressive with sound and go up and down,” he explained.

“There was no existence of a pretence or an artificial instance of that. The tone was natural, right, and the human emotions conveyed right was that of a human being.”

He added: “Pauses and speech time appeared natural and responsive, not overly polished or robotic.

Williams said AI systems struggle with Caribbean dialects, especially Trinidadian and Tobagonian tones.

“Most AI tools are not trained on the Caribbean tonality and accenting. The likelihood that you would have some person train AI to obfuscate a single conversation is relatively low,” he said.

“You have to train in a completely new language.”

In the leaked recording, a male voice is heard discussing funds allegedly sent for two elections, a proposed political alliance, and what appeared to be a plan to undermine contractors in Tobago. While no speaker has been officially confirmed, the contents of the alleged recording have triggered debate and confusion in Tobago.

Williams was careful to note that his results were not a forensic ruling.

“Even AI, there’s no one or zero in terms of either yes or no. We talk about percentages,” he said.

However, based on the tests he conducted, he concluded that the natural timing, tone and speech pattern in the clip point away from AI involvement.”

Travis Sookoo, a cybersecurity advisor and machine learning researcher had a more cautious but insightful perspective on how to detect AI-generated voices, focusing on patterns the public can learn to recognise.

“There’s a sort of perfection that comes with it, even in speech,” he said.

“Even with dialect, you know, you will hear some sort of perfection.”

“Real speech has flaws. If the voice sounds too smooth, too perfect, that’s when you should be suspicious.”

Sookoo said with most AI tools, the rhythm and delivery might be too polished.

“If we look at how AI writes and how it says things back, it is usually in a perfectionist base,” he said.

Sookoo added that attention should be paid to tone, movement, dialect, and small details.

“There may be something that will catch your ear if you are listening to it, the intonation, how they use the accent, the dialect,” he said.

Both analysts called for more attention to be paid to digital literacy.

So far, no one has confirmed or denied who is speaking in the clip but with no signs of voice merging, no audio manipulation detected, and clear indicators of natural human speech, the tools seem to point in one direction.

“This is either a real conversation, or it’s the most advanced fake I’ve ever seen,” Williams said.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/ai-expe ... 6d797d7c1c

Only guardian media could write such foolishness

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Postby unimatrix-001 » April 14th, 2025, 5:13 pm

They will use the laptops for generative AI
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 505df.html

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Postby paid_influencer » April 14th, 2025, 5:27 pm

guardian should write a story asking if email gate was written by chatgpt, and if not then we can conclude email gate was in fact real too

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Postby paid_influencer » April 14th, 2025, 5:31 pm

killercow wrote:What is the possibility that if PNM wins, the next President would be Rowley?


100%

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Postby hover11 » April 14th, 2025, 8:09 pm

JOHN JEREMIE SC ATTENDS UNC CAMPAIGN MEETING
John Jeremie, who served as attorney general under the Patrick Manning administrations between 2003-2007 and again during 2009-2010, has turned up at a UNC election campaign meeting in Penal on Monday night. He is scheduled to speak.. Jeremie is a senior lecturer at the Faculty of Law at the UWI St Augustine campus.
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When UNC wins everybody wins
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Postby pugboy » April 14th, 2025, 8:19 pm

it’s no secret that many of the manning folks have little regard for rowlee
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Postby paid_influencer » April 14th, 2025, 8:37 pm

unc rally



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Postby DMan7 » April 14th, 2025, 8:51 pm

Kams talking about Stuart making 1M a year in pension for the rest of his life for being a PM for only 1 day and the same for Rowley too as a talking point against the PNM on her elections platform. Talk about tone deaf considering she also earning 1M per year as well for being a former PM. :roll:

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Postby pugboy » April 14th, 2025, 9:08 pm

anybody know what rental contracts have been signed up for govt to keep renting from pnm financiers even if unc wins?

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Postby hover11 » April 14th, 2025, 9:09 pm

DMan7 wrote:Kams talking about Stuart making 1M a year in pension for the rest of his life for being a PM for only 1 day and the same for Rowley too as a talking point against the PNM on her elections platform. Talk about tone deaf considering she also earning 1M per year as well for being a former PM. :roll:
At least kams not pappyshowing ppl with the i now went in the grocery after nine years and realize how expensive things are lines

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Postby Redress10 » April 14th, 2025, 10:47 pm

hover11 wrote:
DMan7 wrote:Kams talking about Stuart making 1M a year in pension for the rest of his life for being a PM for only 1 day and the same for Rowley too as a talking point against the PNM on her elections platform. Talk about tone deaf considering she also earning 1M per year as well for being a former PM. :roll:
At least kams not pappyshowing ppl with the i now went in the grocery after nine years and realize how expensive things are lines


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We have already established that is a doctored video and he was talking about what things would costs if the currency was devalued.

Stop peddling misinformation and propaganda on ths forum. This is becoming blatant with you now and you need to be called out for it.

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Re: *** The 2025 GENERAL ELECTION thread***

Postby paid_influencer » April 14th, 2025, 11:16 pm

it is an odd point stuwatee is making though. He's saying look how much more prices could potentially go up, but I don't know if that is going to be conveyed to the audience. Most going to see oil going up, flour going up, and reminding them of more hardship that going to come from a continued PNM administration.

other notes from the PNM meeting -

Stuwatee said PSA workers were offered 1%, 1%, 3% (presumably the other years at 0%), for a total of 5%.

Foster with a set of race talk about Indians and Africans voting. He doubled down on the accusation of 40k offered to black ppl on social media to criticise PNM, and indeed gave a full menu of alleged food on offer for supporting UNC. Foster also went over some of his own food-sharing activities in the youth ministry. very clearly they are feeling threatened by the'Yellow is the Code' strategy to absorb what were traditional pnm patronage networks.

Penny had very clearly the biggest response of any speaker. Stuwatee's had no audience pop at all at any time during his contribution. The party ready to move on to the new chapter, imo.

I didn't catch the UNC meeting yet

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