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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 8th, 2025, 9:27 pm

Ah, ce ira!

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby paid_influencer » March 8th, 2025, 10:53 pm

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025 ... as-started

The blame game over the debacle in Ukraine has started
Trump, Zelenskyy and the Europeans are desperately trying to deliver the bitter truth to the public and evade blame.

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It is tempting to ascribe the events of the past few days to the whims of Trump. But what we are seeing is a political show aimed at selling the bitter reality of Ukrainian defeat to a Western public, which for many years was fed the narrative that Russia is weak and could be defeated or weakened to the point of irrelevance.

The reality is that the US-led West has exhausted the available resources and willingness to wage what former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson admitted is a “proxy war” against Russia. What hides behind the rhetoric and theatrics is damage control and a blame game, preparing the public for the inevitable.

Staunch Russia hawks, like EU’s foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas, as well as lobbyists for the military industrial complex, will keep insisting that Russia can still be defeated. But they’ve been selling this narrative and various magical solutions – like the supplies of F16 fighter planes or long-range missile strikes into Russian territory – for three years now and nothing has changed on the ground. Ukraine keeps losing men, territory and infrastructure.

It is inconceivable in the present circumstances that Ukraine could achieve a better deal than the one it rejected in Istanbul – under British and US pressure – in the spring of 2022 or the one it could have attained earlier, under the Minsk agreements. The latter framework, agreed upon in 2015-2016, envisaged that Ukraine would retain sovereignty over the separatist-controlled parts of the Donbas region, which Russia has now formally annexed.

The agreements have served as Kyiv’s benchmark for judging the outcome of the conflict. A former adviser for Zelenskyy’s administration and Ukraine’s main talking head at the start of the war, Oleksiy Arestovych, formulated the Ukrainian view on what would constitute victory over Russia back in March 2022 when he said “getting less than we had before the war means our defeat.”

In other words, the war is not worth fighting if the outcome would be worse than what Ukraine would have had under Minsk. Now with all the terrible losses it endured within the last three years, Ukraine is further away from achieving this goal than it has ever been. This is why the blame game has started.

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » March 8th, 2025, 11:47 pm

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hover11 wrote:War is a necessary part of life....conflict arises and nations will rise against nations for various reasons. Just like we had a WW1 , WWII and a cold war there will be a WWIII. Dont let this fallacy of globalization fool you.
Dizzy28 wrote:Poland PM's announces Poland should acquire Nuclear Weapons whilst Macron said he will offer Frances Force de Frappe as a coverage for all of Europe.

Great going Putin and Trump. So much further away from WW3 and Nuclear armegeddon now. Screenshot_20250308-114749.jpgScreenshot_20250308-114721.jpg


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If there is a WW3 there more than likely won't be anything left to have a WW4
Duane lemme stop you for a minute, are you aware there are NINE countries with nukes. These are only the countries that publicly announced that they packing , but what about the ones that are witholding such information from the world. I'm sure this didn't happen overnight, these countries used tax dollars to invest in weapons of mass destruction with the intention to one day use because no country pumps billions into something to just have sit down there. The point is we have these organizations like the UN, Why didn't the UN mandate all the countries to destroy their nuclear arsenals? Man is at the top of the food chain only thing left is for us to destroy ourselves

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I don't see how that has anything to do with stopping what I said

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 9th, 2025, 12:47 am

This re reson why some saying the west is on panic mode . Within a few days the 10k troops are expected to be encircled , and then is a systematic push inwards till no Ukraine forces occupy any kursk land .
When that is established , the only strategic attempt by the west would have collapsed . Their best remaining forces would be gone, the only card they hoped to play would have been hung.

At that pont they cannot hide from the public the inevitable loss.

At that point they may become desperate and prolly send in peace keeper troops or even use nukes. These are children playing in parliaments.

Simple minded leaders

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Ukraine Russia War

Postby MaxPower » March 9th, 2025, 5:31 am

Swallow your pride Zelenks.

You are probably a good and grateful man, i wont doubt that.

But stop the ungrateful body language in front the US President and apologize for the sake of your people.

DJT wants to make the deal, but you have to bow and kiss his feet….and remember to say thank you, even if you do not mean it.

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby hover11 » March 9th, 2025, 6:22 am

Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Dizzy28 » March 9th, 2025, 7:59 am

hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine

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No one else is dying in Ukraine but Ukrainians and Russians and North Koreans.

That is the most critical aspect of this war.

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby 88sins » March 9th, 2025, 9:22 am

hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine

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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.

All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.

It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Dizzy28 » March 9th, 2025, 10:25 am

88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine

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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.

All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.

It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
NATO gave a promise to not expand
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity


But here we are

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby paid_influencer » March 9th, 2025, 12:24 pm

boris admitted it is NATOs proxy war against russia

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 9th, 2025, 2:27 pm

Sooo, Georgescu is a russisn leaning candidate , he won the first round of elections . Romania elections is a two stage voting process . The current administration is pro EU and canceled the second rounds declaring that the first rounds had election interference by Russia via tictok.
People pushed back and they said they will do over the elections , but arrested the pro russia candidate .

People are saying they don't want fresh elections , but fur the second rounds to go on .


So much for European democracy ... Lol.

Democracy, free speech, human rights , international law , rules based order, only matter when it suits their purpose .... Lol
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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 9th, 2025, 2:28 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine

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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.

All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.

It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
NATO gave a promise to not expand
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity


But here we are
FAFO?

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Dizzy28 » March 9th, 2025, 7:24 pm

sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine

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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.

All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.

It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
NATO gave a promise to not expand
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity


But here we are
FAFO?


FAFO!!
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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 9th, 2025, 9:28 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine

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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.

All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.

It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
NATO gave a promise to not expand
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity


But here we are
FAFO?


FAFO!!
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I guess by that Ukraine is retaking crimea ?

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Dizzy28 » March 9th, 2025, 9:56 pm

sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine

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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.

All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.

It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
NATO gave a promise to not expand
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity


But here we are
FAFO?


FAFO!!
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I guess by that Ukraine is retaking crimea ?
Crimea or not Russia is paying a hefty price for Putin's ego.

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 9th, 2025, 10:02 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine

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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.

All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.

It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
NATO gave a promise to not expand
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity


But here we are
FAFO?


FAFO!!
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I guess by that Ukraine is retaking crimea ?
Crimea or not Russia is paying a hefty price for Putin's ego.
No good deed goes unpunished.

Nazis are formidable fighters

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 10th, 2025, 11:20 pm

The kursk occupation is collapsing .

The reports showing a gruesome situation for the Ukraine forces .
Literally recoiled when I was listening to what was happening to them... But they chose that .




How it happened is that Russian forces traveled through gas pipelines and came out behind some of the Ukraine positions . This spooked a lot of them and they tried to retreat. Others seeing some positions falling and also decided to retreat , resulting in a cascade of abandoned positions ... And ground meat.

I suspect that news of elenski negotiating to stop , means it don't mske sense holding positions when it's gonna resolve soon anyway .

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby timelapse » March 11th, 2025, 10:16 am

sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine

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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.

All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.

It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
NATO gave a promise to not expand
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity


But here we are
FAFO?


FAFO!!
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I guess by that Ukraine is retaking crimea ?
Crimea or not Russia is paying a hefty price for Putin's ego.
No good deed goes unpunished.

Nazis are formidable fighters

Russias are Ruskies or Commies , not Nazis.

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Dizzy28 » March 11th, 2025, 2:36 pm

Balls in Putler's court now
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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby timelapse » March 11th, 2025, 2:43 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Balls in Putler's court nowScreenshot_20250311-143544.jpg

Stop disrespecting the Fuhrer nein hoss...

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 11th, 2025, 4:00 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Balls in Putler's court now
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Depends on the deal. If it's a short cut to establishing a Ukraine that is acceptable to Russia , then they would take it.

If ti's just Minsk agreement 3, they would just continue until they achieve their objectives .


Will do a lil search and see what was proposed there.

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Dizzy28 » March 11th, 2025, 4:48 pm

sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Balls in Putler's court now
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Depends on the deal. If it's a short cut to establishing a Ukraine that is acceptable to Russia , then they would take it.

If ti's just Minsk agreement 3, they would just continue until they achieve their objectives .


Will do a lil search and see what was proposed there.
Will do a search

Code for lemme go see what Blumenthal, Owen Jones and the rest of Moscow paid reporters saying.

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 11th, 2025, 6:14 pm

So no real details available despite many words being said by hegseth et alia .
Which means they just want Russia to stop fighting with a PROMISE to work out details after.


Just a big smoke screen to divert attention away from the kursk failure.

Etc of kusrk is 24hrs with a 48hr margin.


I assume Russia will galley usa until kursk is definitively under Russian control before speaking about that 'peace' talk.

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Dizzy28 » March 12th, 2025, 3:31 pm

The story about the Tanker that was rammed by a cargo ship off England takes an interesting turn.
The tanker was under contract by the US Govnt under their Tanker Security Programme and was transporting Jet A1 Fuel for use by the USAF in Europe.

The ramming vessel was captained and crewed by a Russians.
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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Dizzy28 » March 17th, 2025, 2:12 pm

As we approach the anniversary of the Illegal annexation of Crimea by Russia (Mar 18th), Turkey has reaffirmed their non recognition of those actions.
Pretty important when one considers the sole exit from the Black Sea is the Bosporus which is under Turkey's control (albeit with an international use treaty in place)

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 17th, 2025, 2:18 pm

Turkey salty that they try tk trap Russia in Syria , but Russia jump out and dodge it.
Now the crap hitting the fan, the west trying to hide the mess they created with alqueda running Syria now

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Dizzy28 » March 17th, 2025, 2:27 pm

sMASH wrote:Turkey salty that they try tk trap Russia in Syria , but Russia jump out and dodge it.
Now the crap hitting the fan, the west trying to hide the mess they created with alqueda running Syria now


Weird way to frame they and their side lost and they retreated

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 17th, 2025, 4:35 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:Turkey salty that they try tk trap Russia in Syria , but Russia jump out and dodge it.
Now the crap hitting the fan, the west trying to hide the mess they created with alqueda running Syria now


Weird way to frame they and their side lost and they retreated
It is a loss. But was intended to be a bigger loss. They and Iran cut losses and hunkered down.

If elenski was do smart to pull out is troops from kursk and bolster donbas ... But cocaine junkies aren't good presidents or military strategists

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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby Dizzy28 » March 17th, 2025, 7:38 pm

sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:Turkey salty that they try tk trap Russia in Syria , but Russia jump out and dodge it.
Now the crap hitting the fan, the west trying to hide the mess they created with alqueda running Syria now


Weird way to frame they and their side lost and they retreated
It is a loss. But was intended to be a bigger loss. They and Iran cut losses and hunkered down.

If elenski was do smart to pull out is troops from kursk and bolster donbas ... But cocaine junkies aren't good presidents or military strategists


Crack shot Military strategy!!!
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Re: Ukraine Russia War

Postby sMASH » March 17th, 2025, 9:06 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
sMASH wrote:Turkey salty that they try tk trap Russia in Syria , but Russia jump out and dodge it.
Now the crap hitting the fan, the west trying to hide the mess they created with alqueda running Syria now


Weird way to frame they and their side lost and they retreated
It is a loss. But was intended to be a bigger loss. They and Iran cut losses and hunkered down.

If elenski was do smart to pull out is troops from kursk and bolster donbas ... But cocaine junkies aren't good presidents or military strategists


Crack shot Military strategy!!!
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Where in the map are those losses are again ...
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