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The blame game over the debacle in Ukraine has started
Trump, Zelenskyy and the Europeans are desperately trying to deliver the bitter truth to the public and evade blame.
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It is tempting to ascribe the events of the past few days to the whims of Trump. But what we are seeing is a political show aimed at selling the bitter reality of Ukrainian defeat to a Western public, which for many years was fed the narrative that Russia is weak and could be defeated or weakened to the point of irrelevance.
The reality is that the US-led West has exhausted the available resources and willingness to wage what former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson admitted is a “proxy war” against Russia. What hides behind the rhetoric and theatrics is damage control and a blame game, preparing the public for the inevitable.
Staunch Russia hawks, like EU’s foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas, as well as lobbyists for the military industrial complex, will keep insisting that Russia can still be defeated. But they’ve been selling this narrative and various magical solutions – like the supplies of F16 fighter planes or long-range missile strikes into Russian territory – for three years now and nothing has changed on the ground. Ukraine keeps losing men, territory and infrastructure.
It is inconceivable in the present circumstances that Ukraine could achieve a better deal than the one it rejected in Istanbul – under British and US pressure – in the spring of 2022 or the one it could have attained earlier, under the Minsk agreements. The latter framework, agreed upon in 2015-2016, envisaged that Ukraine would retain sovereignty over the separatist-controlled parts of the Donbas region, which Russia has now formally annexed.
The agreements have served as Kyiv’s benchmark for judging the outcome of the conflict. A former adviser for Zelenskyy’s administration and Ukraine’s main talking head at the start of the war, Oleksiy Arestovych, formulated the Ukrainian view on what would constitute victory over Russia back in March 2022 when he said “getting less than we had before the war means our defeat.”
In other words, the war is not worth fighting if the outcome would be worse than what Ukraine would have had under Minsk. Now with all the terrible losses it endured within the last three years, Ukraine is further away from achieving this goal than it has ever been. This is why the blame game has started.
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hover11 wrote:Duane lemme stop you for a minute, are you aware there are NINE countries with nukes. These are only the countries that publicly announced that they packing , but what about the ones that are witholding such information from the world. I'm sure this didn't happen overnight, these countries used tax dollars to invest in weapons of mass destruction with the intention to one day use because no country pumps billions into something to just have sit down there. The point is we have these organizations like the UN, Why didn't the UN mandate all the countries to destroy their nuclear arsenals? Man is at the top of the food chain only thing left is for us to destroy ourselvesDuane 3NE 2NR wrote:hover11 wrote:War is a necessary part of life....conflict arises and nations will rise against nations for various reasons. Just like we had a WW1 , WWII and a cold war there will be a WWIII. Dont let this fallacy of globalization fool you.Dizzy28 wrote:Poland PM's announces Poland should acquire Nuclear Weapons whilst Macron said he will offer Frances Force de Frappe as a coverage for all of Europe.
Great going Putin and Trump. So much further away from WW3 and Nuclear armegeddon now. Screenshot_20250308-114749.jpgScreenshot_20250308-114721.jpg
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If there is a WW3 there more than likely won't be anything left to have a WW4
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No one else is dying in Ukraine but Ukrainians and Russians and North Koreans.hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine
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hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine
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NATO gave a promise to not expand88sins wrote:hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine
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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.
All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.
It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
FAFO?Dizzy28 wrote:NATO gave a promise to not expand88sins wrote:hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine
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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.
All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.
It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity
But here we are
sMASH wrote:FAFO?Dizzy28 wrote:NATO gave a promise to not expand88sins wrote:hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine
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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.
All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.
It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity
But here we are
I guess by that Ukraine is retaking crimea ?Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:FAFO?Dizzy28 wrote:NATO gave a promise to not expand88sins wrote:hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine
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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.
All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.
It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity
But here we are
FAFO!!
Crimea or not Russia is paying a hefty price for Putin's ego.sMASH wrote:I guess by that Ukraine is retaking crimea ?Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:FAFO?Dizzy28 wrote:NATO gave a promise to not expand88sins wrote:hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine
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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.
All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.
It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity
But here we are
FAFO!!
No good deed goes unpunished.Dizzy28 wrote:Crimea or not Russia is paying a hefty price for Putin's ego.sMASH wrote:I guess by that Ukraine is retaking crimea ?Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:FAFO?Dizzy28 wrote:NATO gave a promise to not expand88sins wrote:hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine
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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.
All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.
It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity
But here we are
FAFO!!
sMASH wrote:No good deed goes unpunished.Dizzy28 wrote:Crimea or not Russia is paying a hefty price for Putin's ego.sMASH wrote:I guess by that Ukraine is retaking crimea ?Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:FAFO?Dizzy28 wrote:NATO gave a promise to not expand88sins wrote:hover11 wrote:Just imagine if Ukraine stops getting funding from the US and the EU this war would have been over a long time ago as it was never just Russia vs Ukraine this was Russia vs half the world behind Ukraine
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I'll do you one better.
Just imagine if NATO had kept their word, and not tried to invite Ukraine (a country that shares a very large border with Russia) to join them.
All in all, this conflict isn't really about NATO, geo-political threats, etc. It's about resources and strategic maneuvering in order to access and control said resources.
It'll all be over soon though. Donald and Vladimir done hammer out the details about how they gonna split the spoils once Vladimir takes over.
Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity
But here we are
FAFO!!
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Dizzy28 wrote:Balls in Putler's court nowScreenshot_20250311-143544.jpg
Depends on the deal. If it's a short cut to establishing a Ukraine that is acceptable to Russia , then they would take it.Dizzy28 wrote:Balls in Putler's court now
Will do a searchsMASH wrote:Depends on the deal. If it's a short cut to establishing a Ukraine that is acceptable to Russia , then they would take it.Dizzy28 wrote:Balls in Putler's court now
If ti's just Minsk agreement 3, they would just continue until they achieve their objectives .
Will do a lil search and see what was proposed there.
sMASH wrote:Turkey salty that they try tk trap Russia in Syria , but Russia jump out and dodge it.
Now the crap hitting the fan, the west trying to hide the mess they created with alqueda running Syria now
It is a loss. But was intended to be a bigger loss. They and Iran cut losses and hunkered down.Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:Turkey salty that they try tk trap Russia in Syria , but Russia jump out and dodge it.
Now the crap hitting the fan, the west trying to hide the mess they created with alqueda running Syria now
Weird way to frame they and their side lost and they retreated
sMASH wrote:It is a loss. But was intended to be a bigger loss. They and Iran cut losses and hunkered down.Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:Turkey salty that they try tk trap Russia in Syria , but Russia jump out and dodge it.
Now the crap hitting the fan, the west trying to hide the mess they created with alqueda running Syria now
Weird way to frame they and their side lost and they retreated
If elenski was do smart to pull out is troops from kursk and bolster donbas ... But cocaine junkies aren't good presidents or military strategists
Where in the map are those losses are again ...Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:It is a loss. But was intended to be a bigger loss. They and Iran cut losses and hunkered down.Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:Turkey salty that they try tk trap Russia in Syria , but Russia jump out and dodge it.
Now the crap hitting the fan, the west trying to hide the mess they created with alqueda running Syria now
Weird way to frame they and their side lost and they retreated
If elenski was do smart to pull out is troops from kursk and bolster donbas ... But cocaine junkies aren't good presidents or military strategists
Crack shot Military strategy!!!
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