Ukraine Russia War

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Now Secretary of State Marco Rubio and now National Security Advisor Mike Waltz had very different views of Putin previously

[sMASH]

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If he can't get money to the azov banderites , they might deal with him... He might press out before they can take action.
He need a source of funds, typical junkie behavior .

[The_Honourable]

Lots of egos coming into play here and Trump holds the cards here .The USA should stop supplying weapons to Ukraine. Cut all support.

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I would not be surprised Trump and Zelensky planned this laying the groundwork for Zelensky to have an out. When a deal happens resulting in an end to the war; Trump looks good for ending it, Putin can tell the Russian people that he "won", and Zelensky can always tell Ukrainians that he was forced into this position by the US.

[MaxPower]

I would not be surprised Trump and Zelensky planned this laying the groundwork for Zelensky to have an out. When a deal happens resulting in an end to the war; Trump looks good for ending it, Putin can tell the Russian people that he "won", and Zelensky can always tell Ukrainians that he was forced into this position by the US.

Hmmm this may be very true.

Zelensky was overly calm….like he had a rehearsal.

[coltspeed]

To be an Enemy of the US is Dangerous, to be an Ally is Fatal.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

A Russian state media reporter gained entry to the Oval Office for Trump-Zelensky sit-down

A member of Russia’s state-owned news agency gained access to the Oval Office on Friday to cover President Trump’s sit-down with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky – even as the AP and Reuters were barred from the high-level meeting. The White House said the journalist was not authorized to be in the press pool.

Reuters was most recently barred from covering Trump’s first cabinet meeting on Wednesday. And the AP, one of the world’s largest news outlets, was banned from the Oval Office and Air Force One indefinitely two weeks ago over the wire service’s continued use of the “Gulf of Mexico” in addition to the “Gulf of America.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/28/medi ... index.html

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

[bluefete]

No surprise here. Trump, just like our local politicians, lies through his teeth and very few are brave enough to fact check him to his face.

I wonder how much that minerals contract was worth?

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[MaxPower]

Anybody check on Zelenks?

[The_Honourable]

Interesting...

Richard Hanania on X:

"I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.

When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened.

You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument.

In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders.

For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal.

The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere.

The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw.

Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument.

I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this. The relationship with the administration is broken. Ukraine should probably go with new leadership at this point."

https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1895562922593841557

[MaxPower]

Zelenks the gas lighter…

Can’t try that with Trumpy tho.

He will mash you up and so said, so done.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Interesting...

Richard Hanania on X:

"I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.

When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened.

You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument.

In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders.

For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal.

The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere.

The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw.

Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument.

I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this. The relationship with the administration is broken. Ukraine should probably go with new leadership at this point."

https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1895562922593841557

Richard Hanania is a far-right commentator and MAGA supporter - that response is expected

JD Vance attacks Europe over free speech and migration
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceve3wl21x1o

Trump has said that he wants the US to be repaid for providing military aid to Ukraine
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ne-aid-war

U.S. President Donald Trump has claimed that the U.S. spent $350 billion on assistance for Ukraine. He also said he wants it back.

Trump has used the sum to pressure Ukraine into signing a deal that would give the U.S. at least a 50% interest in Ukrainian natural resources through a joint investment fund as payback for its support for Kyiv.

According to media reports and President Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine would be supposed to gradually contribute $500 billion from its budget revenues from mineral resources to the fund.

Ukraine had declined to sign Trump's version of the deal, with Zelensky saying, "I am not signing something that will be paid by 10 generations of Ukrainians."

The caveat is that both the $350 billion mentioned by Trump as aid provided and the $500 billion demanded in return are not factual and were presented by the White House without explaining where the figures are from.

According to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, the U.S. has provided assistance worth $119.8 billion since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022. Only around $4 billion has to be repaid, and the repayment deadline is as late as 2065, according to prior agreements.
https://kyivindependent.com/explainer-d ... -repay-it/

[The_Honourable]

Interesting...

Richard Hanania on X:

"I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.

When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened.

You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument.

In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders.

For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal.

The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere.

The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw.

Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument.

I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this. The relationship with the administration is broken. Ukraine should probably go with new leadership at this point."

https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1895562922593841557

Richard Hanania is a far-right commentator and MAGA supporter - that response is expected

Was he wrong in his analysis?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Interesting...

Richard Hanania on X:

"I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.

When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened.

You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument.

In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders.

For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal.

The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere.

The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw.

Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument.

I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this. The relationship with the administration is broken. Ukraine should probably go with new leadership at this point."

https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1895562922593841557

Richard Hanania is a far-right commentator and MAGA supporter - that response is expected

Was he wrong in his analysis?

It's a spin for sure.
Both sides are good at spinning the story

$500B in minerals for $119B of aid is the claim from the other side

[Dizzy28]

If I was China I would attempt to retake Taiwan by June.

Clearly Taiwan would stand alone based on the rules of the world now.

[paid_influencer]

If I was China I would attempt to retake Taiwan by June.

Clearly Taiwan would stand alone based on the rules of the world now.

what do you mean now have the rules changed what were they before now

[Dizzy28]

If I was China I would attempt to retake Taiwan by June.

Clearly Taiwan would stand alone based on the rules of the world now.

what do you mean now have the rules changed what were they before now

Promises used to matter.
America literally signed an agreement to uphold Ukrainian sovereignty in exchange for giving up nukes. Ukraine sat in the world's third largest nuclear force at independence and gave it all up willingly.

No body fcuks with North Korea for a reason. Ukraine gave up that blanket

[sMASH]

Trump want to get out if spending on Ukraine , and keep raising the the ask, zelensky not taking the hint and keep going along like a drug addict, until they had to shine him up in public like a lil child , to mske sure he get it.


Taiwan need to see how usa uses countries then discards them and they are left devastated .
They would be wise to go back under china

[sMASH]

The Ukraine forces in kursk are being cut down systematically . There will be no territory held by Ukraine to swap by mid year.
Gone with that land, also the best Ukraine fighters.

European countries have expressed solidarity with Ukraine after the white house dress down . A plan will be to buy American arms to keep Ukraine fighting.

Russia needs absolutely neutral Ukraine , ND are on track to establish thst reality .
How much Ukraine remains sovereign depends on how soon they yield .


Who ever thought fighting Russia was a good idea are idiots.

[Dizzy28]

The Ukraine forces in kursk are being cut down systematically . There will be no territory held by Ukraine to swap by mid year.
Gone with that land, also the best Ukraine fighters.

European countries have expressed solidarity with Ukraine after the white house dress down . A plan will be to buy American arms to keep Ukraine fighting.

Russia needs absolutely neutral Ukraine , ND are on track to establish thst reality .
How much Ukraine remains sovereign depends on how soon they yield .


Who ever thought fighting Russia was a good idea are idiots.

Relax chet....if a bunch of sand jockeys living in a strip of land 50kms long thinks fighting the Country with the best air force in the Middle East was a good idea then opposing Russia in a country with a strategic depth of hundreds of kms isn't a bad idea.

[sMASH]

The Ukraine forces in kursk are being cut down systematically . There will be no territory held by Ukraine to swap by mid year.
Gone with that land, also the best Ukraine fighters.

European countries have expressed solidarity with Ukraine after the white house dress down . A plan will be to buy American arms to keep Ukraine fighting.

Russia needs absolutely neutral Ukraine , ND are on track to establish thst reality .
How much Ukraine remains sovereign depends on how soon they yield .


Who ever thought fighting Russia was a good idea are idiots.

Relax chet....if a bunch of sand jockeys living in a strip of land 50kms long thinks fighting the Country with the best air force in the Middle East was a good idea then opposing Russia in a country with a strategic depth of hundreds of kms isn't a bad idea.

It was never a good idea, it's the only option they have.


Russia only needs a non aligned Ukraine .

Palestinians are facing eradication by religious nutcases from European colonizers .

They have different contexts

[paid_influencer]

Promises used to matter.

[Dizzy28]

The Ukraine forces in kursk are being cut down systematically . There will be no territory held by Ukraine to swap by mid year.
Gone with that land, also the best Ukraine fighters.

European countries have expressed solidarity with Ukraine after the white house dress down . A plan will be to buy American arms to keep Ukraine fighting.

Russia needs absolutely neutral Ukraine , ND are on track to establish thst reality .
How much Ukraine remains sovereign depends on how soon they yield .


Who ever thought fighting Russia was a good idea are idiots.

Relax chet....if a bunch of sand jockeys living in a strip of land 50kms long thinks fighting the Country with the best air force in the Middle East was a good idea then opposing Russia in a country with a strategic depth of hundreds of kms isn't a bad idea.

It was never a good idea, it's the only option they have.


Russia only needs a non aligned Ukraine .

Palestinians are facing eradication by religious nutcases from European colonizers .

They have different contexts

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Quoting Golda Meir in a quote against Palestinian terrorism.

You are getting it at last.

[paid_influencer]

sMASH is right tho

[Dizzy28]

sMASH is right tho

And the original quote speaker was also right

[MaxPower]

$500B in minerals for $119B of aid is the claim from the other side

Trump did tell Zelenks that he doesn’t win with the deal. He would come out ok, if he is lucky.

[paid_influencer]

sMASH is right tho

And the original quote speaker was also right

I don't think you understand it tho

[Dizzy28]

sMASH is right tho

And the original quote speaker was also right

I don't think you understand it tho

Probably not

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

[sMASH]

Nato sans america... UEM unified European military