Venezuela Government thread

[VexXx Dogg]

After two decades of coups attempts to overthrow the elected Presidents of Venezuela, Chavez and then Maduro. The US of A elected Juan Guaido El Presidente of Venezuela in 2019 and they have just elected Edmoundo Gonzales El Presidente in 2024 and forgot to tell Guaido that he lost the election. There is clear evidence that the US of A can vote for whom they prefer in foreign countries. Another disgraceful attempt at regime change. lol!

I don't know who are the good guys and bad guys in the whole venezuelan political scene and I really don't care. Never followed it up
But when you see the USA gets involved you know nothing good can come from it. Look at how they tried to 'liberate ' Iraq, Afghan, Syria etc and how these places ended up today. The bigger question no one is asking is why do we as a sovereign nation even have to get USA's permission to do business with Venezuela?

International relations is a delicate dance.
If they are sanctioned, you risk getting sanctioned by doing business with them. It's not a permission thing. Is a FAFO thing where economies are codependent and guess who more dependent on whom?

[alfa]

After two decades of coups attempts to overthrow the elected Presidents of Venezuela, Chavez and then Maduro. The US of A elected Juan Guaido El Presidente of Venezuela in 2019 and they have just elected Edmoundo Gonzales El Presidente in 2024 and forgot to tell Guaido that he lost the election. There is clear evidence that the US of A can vote for whom they prefer in foreign countries. Another disgraceful attempt at regime change. lol!

I don't know who are the good guys and bad guys in the whole venezuelan political scene and I really don't care. Never followed it up
But when you see the USA gets involved you know nothing good can come from it. Look at how they tried to 'liberate ' Iraq, Afghan, Syria etc and how these places ended up today. The bigger question no one is asking is why do we as a sovereign nation even have to get USA's permission to do business with Venezuela?

International relations is a delicate dance.
If they are sanctioned, you risk getting sanctioned by doing business with them. It's not a permission thing. Is a FAFO thing where economies are codependent and guess who more dependent on whom?

Yeah but that's like saying me and my neighbor vex so because of that I gonna vex with the other neighbor for taking to him. Real petty childish behavior especially when a small country like Trinidad can't do or not do anything to affect the USA. Panday really say this thing has a morality of it's own

[death365]

Maduro win - time to move on.

[Dizzy28]

The US has seized a Venezuelean jet typically used to ferry Nicholas Maduro across the world.

The United States has seized Venezuela President Nicolas Maduro’s airplane after determining that its acquisition was in violation of US sanctions, among other criminal issues. The US flew the aircraft to Florida on Monday, according to two US officials.

It’s the latest development in what has long been a frosty relationship between the US and Venezuela, and its seizure in the Dominican Republic marks an escalation as the US continues to investigate what it regards as corrupt practices by Venezuela’s government.

The plane has been described by officials as Venezuela’s equivalent to Air Force One and it has been pictured in previous state visits by Maduro around the world.
“This sends a message all the way up to the top,” one of the US officials told CNN. “Seizing the foreign head of state’s plane is unheard-of for criminal matters. We’re sending a clear message here that no one is above the law, no one is above the reach of US sanctions.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/02/poli ... index.html

[VexXx Dogg]

Homelander itmc

[shaneelal]

May not be right thread but good to know.
The US will still need approval from TT gov't but framework may already be in place.


US can put troops in Trinidad and Tobago – Government signs agreement as White House ups pressure on Maduro
https://newsday.co.tt/2024/12/12/us-can ... on-maduro/

ON THE DOTTED LINES: Commander of US Southern Command Admiral Alvin Holsey, second from left, and Minster of National Security Fitzgerald Hinds sign the Southcom Human Rights Initiative at the Diplomatic Centre, Port of Spain on December 10. Looking on are the Prime Minister, left, and US Ambassador Candace Bond. - Photo courtesy US Embassy



NATIONAL Security Minister Fitzgerald Hinds signed off on five agreements with the US on December 10, two of which can allow the US Department of Defense (DoD) to deploy forces to Trinidad and Tobago in the event of a "conflict" in Venezuela.

In a statement on December 10, the US Embassy said the Prime Minister, Hinds, Energy Minister Stuart Young, Finance Minister Colm Imbert and Foreign Affairs Minister Dr Amery Browne met and held talks with US diplomatic and navy officials on security, energy, cybersecurity and human-rights issues.

Dr Rowley met with US ambassador Candace Bond and Commander of the US Southern Command (Southcom) Adm Alvin Holsey at the Diplomatic Centre, Port of Spain.

The embassy said the group celebrated the successful conclusion of negotiations on five agreements, including a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA); the Caribbean Basin Security Initiative Technical Assistance Field Team (CBSI-TAFT); and the Acquisition and Cross-Servicing Agreement (ACSA).

Bond and Holsey also congratulated Rowley on TT’s accession to the Treaty of San José and the Southcom Human Rights Initiative.

Bond said, “TT’s leadership in implementing this framework for security co-operation demonstrates its potential as the cornerstone of peace and security in the Caribbean, and has opened the door to unprecedented and unequalled opportunities for defence co-operation between TT and the US.”

Holsey added, “The US is committed to providing expertise and resources to enhance TT’s security capabilities, and these agreements deepen strategic collaboration on a host of issues.”

The embassy said the SOFA “will facilitate interoperability between the two countries’ armed forces.”

Newsday asked Rowley how important those agreements were to TT via WhatsApp.

He replied, "Please speak to the minister who signed the agreements for the Government and the people of TT."

Calls and messages to Hinds and Browne went unanswered.

A December 2022 diplomatic note on the US Embassy's website details TT's agreement to SOFA, starting in 2013. The note said the 2013 SOFA was due to expire on January 1, 2023.

"The Embassy has the further honour to propose to the Government of the Republic of TT that the Government of the US and the Government of the Republic of TT agree to further extend the 2013 SOFA, without any other changes, for an additional two years from its expiration date of January 1, 2023, to January 1, 2025."

The Foreign Affairs Ministry's response also formed part of the diplomatic note.

"The Ministry of Foreign and Caricom Affairs of the Republic of TT is pleased to confirm that the proposal set forth in the Embassy's note is acceptable to the Government of the Republic of TT and that the Embassy's note together with this note in reply shall constitute an agreement between the two Governments which shall enter into force on the date of this note."

In its December 10 release, the US Embassy said, "The SOFA is an agreement which allows for military-to-military engagement. The US and TT have had a SOFA agreement since 2007. The new SOFA will bring the agreement in line with US and TT laws and will have no expiration date unless renegotiated."

Newsday understands Cabinet approved the SOFA at its meeting on December 7 and the document was sent to attorneys for the DoD, the National Security Minister, the Attorney General and the TT Defence Force for final "scrubbing" before being signed on December 10.

This agreement will take effect on January 1, 2025.

The renegotiations included clarification of the language used in the agreement, including that it allows for civilian employees of the DoD to qualify for immunities. The agreement does not cover contractors employed with the DoD. It also makes allowances for DoD law-enforcement officers to carry firearms while deployed in TT and for driver's permits for those employees.
It also makes allowances for US military commanders to discipline US servicemen deployed to TT in TT.

Agreement: US troops can be stationed in TT

It also allows for US troop deployment to TT in times of natural disasters.

In the event of a conflict on TT's doorstep in Venezuela, the US can also deploy troops to TT for a possible response by enacting the SOFA. As the southernmost country in the Caribbean, TT is mere miles away from Venezuela. Itss closest point is Cedros.

The ACSA agreement, also signed on December 10, provides a similar opportunity for US troops to be deployed to TT to respond to conflicts in Venezuela.

The US Embassy said ACSA "is a formal logistics mechanism that allows the US Department of Defense to exchange logistic support, supplies, and services directly between eligible countries and international organisations."

Newsday understands both agreements cut red tape that could slow a US deployment.
But, in the event that US is contemplating a deployment, it still must seek permission from the TT Government to do so.

The January 20, 2025, inauguration of president-elect Donald Trump is not expected to affect the agreements, and either country can decide to pull out at any time.

Guyana has also signed a SOFA with the US.

While Newsday has not seen the current agreement, the SOFA signed in 2006 between Guyana and the US allows for DoD military and civilian employees to be granted status equal to US Embassy staff; be allowed to enter and leave Guyana with their US Government IDs; have their driver's permits – issued in the US – accepted for use in Guyana; be authorised to wear their US-issued uniforms in Guyana; and be permitted to bring weapons into Guyana based on their orders, among other provisions.

President Nicolas Maduro speaks to supporters during an event marking the 165th anniversary of the Battle of Santa Ines, in Caracas, Venezuela, on December 10. - File photo/AP PHOTO

"The embassy proposes that both governments shall waive any and all claims (other than contractual claims) against each other for personal injury to or death of their military or civilian personnel, or for damage, loss or destruction of the other's military property arising out of the activities covered by this agreement," the SOFA said.

Over the past year, tensions between Guyana and Venezuela have been high after the Nicolas Maduro government proposed and passed a referendum to occupy the disputed Essequibo region.

Maduro gave oil companies operating off Guyana's coast three months to wrap up their operations and there were numerous reports that Venezuelan troops were seen organising on the Venezuelan/Guyana border.

In the face of growing concern of instability in the region, Maduro and Guyana's president Dr Irfaan Ali met in St Vincent and the Grenadines on December 14, 2023, and agreed to avoid the use of any force and not to escalate tensions in their dispute over the Essequibo.

On July 28, Maduro faced the polls in the Venezuelan presidential elections, which he has been accused of stealing from Opposition candidate Edmundo González Urrutia. The winner of the election will be sworn in in January 2025 for a six-year term.

US backs Maduro's opponent for presidency

A November 27 White House press background briefing by senior administration officials, focusing on Maduro's claim to victory in the election, outlined steps by the US to increase pressure on Maduro ahead of the four-month mark of the election.

"...It was an election in which the Venezuelans voted resoundingly to make Edmundo Gonzalez Urrutia the president-elect," a senior official said.

"In the months since July 28, we have given Nicolas Maduro and his representatives every opportunity to do the right thing and we have incentivised the possibility of democratic steps. Instead, Maduro and his representatives decided to use violent repression and to seize power at all costs.
"This is not something the US will stand for, and nor will other countries in the region stand for this.

"Therefore, the US has taken steps to increase pressure against Maduro and his representatives who are responsible for the electoral fraud that took place on July 28 and afterwards and the brutal repression that we’ve seen in the last few months."

Those steps included the sanction of 21 security and cabinet-level officials who lead the national guard, police, intelligence service and militia and are aligned with Maduro.

"All of these entities are part of Maduro’s security apparatus and are responsible for violently repressing peaceful protesters and carrying out arbitrary detentions.

"We have also included Maduro-aligned officials who have been responsible for anti-democratic acts."

New restrictions were also place on Maduro "alliance officials who have undermined the electoral process in Venezuela and are responsible for acts of repression.

"The steps that we are taking today build on multiple actions that we have taken already to hold the current and former Venezuelan officials accountable for undermining democracy in Venezuela and to hold them accountable for violating human rights. These actions will follow on similar sanctions and visa restrictions that we announced last September."

The official said the US government had placed sanctions on 180 Venezuelan officials and 100 Venezuelan entities.

[MaxPower]

So they can’t “deploy forces” to help fix the crime problem?

[zoom rader]

So they can’t “deploy forces” to help fix the crime problem?

Crime starts in PNM office

[VexXx Dogg]

So they can’t “deploy forces” to help fix the crime problem?

Nah. They can’t get involved in domestic matters unless their citizens involved.

From an IR perspective, I figure This is how we pay the devil to play the gas game. Hadda give them something to hold that dragon deal.

Don’t be surprised if there’s a semi black site already setup to exfil persons of interest who habla espanol and don’t have a tt passport.

[hover11]

So they can’t “deploy forces” to help fix the crime problem?

Nah. They can’t get involved in domestic matters unless their citizens involved.

From an IR perspective, I figure This is how we pay the devil to play the gas game. Hadda give them something to hold that dragon deal.

Don’t be surprised if there’s a semi black site already setup to exfil persons of interest who habla espanol and don’t have a tt passport.

Imagine doing all this and still getting shafted with no dragon gas deal

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[DMan7]

[hover11]

He himself doesnt know what he signed I'm sure he was instructed by his masters to do so and deal with his servants like this whèn they ask about it. When farley called him a house slave, he got mad but that's exactly what he is

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[paid_influencer]

Imagine doing all this and still getting shafted with no dragon gas deal

hover done see the play

[sMASH]

May not be right thread but good to know.
The US will still need approval from TT gov't but framework may already be in place.


US can put troops in Trinidad and Tobago – Government signs agreement as White House ups pressure on Maduro
https://newsday.co.tt/2024/12/12/us-can ... on-maduro/

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ON THE DOTTED LINES: Commander of US Southern Command Admiral Alvin Holsey, second from left, and Minster of National Security Fitzgerald Hinds sign the Southcom Human Rights Initiative at the Diplomatic Centre, Port of Spain on December 10. Looking on are the Prime Minister, left, and US Ambassador Candace Bond. - Photo courtesy US Embassy



NATIONAL Security Minister Fitzgerald Hinds signed off on five agreements with the US on December 10, two of which can allow the US Department of Defense (DoD) to deploy forces to Trinidad and Tobago in the event of a "conflict" in Venezuela.

In a statement on December 10, the US Embassy said the Prime Minister, Hinds, Energy Minister Stuart Young, Finance Minister Colm Imbert and Foreign Affairs Minister Dr Amery Browne met and held talks with US diplomatic and navy officials on security, energy, cybersecurity and human-rights issues.

Dr Rowley met with US ambassador Candace Bond and Commander of the US Southern Command (Southcom) Adm Alvin Holsey at the Diplomatic Centre, Port of Spain.

The embassy said the group celebrated the successful conclusion of negotiations on five agreements, including a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA); the Caribbean Basin Security Initiative Technical Assistance Field Team (CBSI-TAFT); and the Acquisition and Cross-Servicing Agreement (ACSA).

Bond and Holsey also congratulated Rowley on TT’s accession to the Treaty of San José and the Southcom Human Rights Initiative.

Bond said, “TT’s leadership in implementing this framework for security co-operation demonstrates its potential as the cornerstone of peace and security in the Caribbean, and has opened the door to unprecedented and unequalled opportunities for defence co-operation between TT and the US.”

Holsey added, “The US is committed to providing expertise and resources to enhance TT’s security capabilities, and these agreements deepen strategic collaboration on a host of issues.”

The embassy said the SOFA “will facilitate interoperability between the two countries’ armed forces.”

Newsday asked Rowley how important those agreements were to TT via WhatsApp.

He replied, "Please speak to the minister who signed the agreements for the Government and the people of TT."

Calls and messages to Hinds and Browne went unanswered.

A December 2022 diplomatic note on the US Embassy's website details TT's agreement to SOFA, starting in 2013. The note said the 2013 SOFA was due to expire on January 1, 2023.

"The Embassy has the further honour to propose to the Government of the Republic of TT that the Government of the US and the Government of the Republic of TT agree to further extend the 2013 SOFA, without any other changes, for an additional two years from its expiration date of January 1, 2023, to January 1, 2025."

The Foreign Affairs Ministry's response also formed part of the diplomatic note.

"The Ministry of Foreign and Caricom Affairs of the Republic of TT is pleased to confirm that the proposal set forth in the Embassy's note is acceptable to the Government of the Republic of TT and that the Embassy's note together with this note in reply shall constitute an agreement between the two Governments which shall enter into force on the date of this note."

In its December 10 release, the US Embassy said, "The SOFA is an agreement which allows for military-to-military engagement. The US and TT have had a SOFA agreement since 2007. The new SOFA will bring the agreement in line with US and TT laws and will have no expiration date unless renegotiated."

Newsday understands Cabinet approved the SOFA at its meeting on December 7 and the document was sent to attorneys for the DoD, the National Security Minister, the Attorney General and the TT Defence Force for final "scrubbing" before being signed on December 10.

This agreement will take effect on January 1, 2025.

The renegotiations included clarification of the language used in the agreement, including that it allows for civilian employees of the DoD to qualify for immunities. The agreement does not cover contractors employed with the DoD. It also makes allowances for DoD law-enforcement officers to carry firearms while deployed in TT and for driver's permits for those employees.
It also makes allowances for US military commanders to discipline US servicemen deployed to TT in TT.

Agreement: US troops can be stationed in TT

It also allows for US troop deployment to TT in times of natural disasters.

In the event of a conflict on TT's doorstep in Venezuela, the US can also deploy troops to TT for a possible response by enacting the SOFA. As the southernmost country in the Caribbean, TT is mere miles away from Venezuela. Itss closest point is Cedros.

The ACSA agreement, also signed on December 10, provides a similar opportunity for US troops to be deployed to TT to respond to conflicts in Venezuela.

The US Embassy said ACSA "is a formal logistics mechanism that allows the US Department of Defense to exchange logistic support, supplies, and services directly between eligible countries and international organisations."

Newsday understands both agreements cut red tape that could slow a US deployment.
But, in the event that US is contemplating a deployment, it still must seek permission from the TT Government to do so.

The January 20, 2025, inauguration of president-elect Donald Trump is not expected to affect the agreements, and either country can decide to pull out at any time.

Guyana has also signed a SOFA with the US.

While Newsday has not seen the current agreement, the SOFA signed in 2006 between Guyana and the US allows for DoD military and civilian employees to be granted status equal to US Embassy staff; be allowed to enter and leave Guyana with their US Government IDs; have their driver's permits – issued in the US – accepted for use in Guyana; be authorised to wear their US-issued uniforms in Guyana; and be permitted to bring weapons into Guyana based on their orders, among other provisions.

President Nicolas Maduro speaks to supporters during an event marking the 165th anniversary of the Battle of Santa Ines, in Caracas, Venezuela, on December 10. - File photo/AP PHOTO

"The embassy proposes that both governments shall waive any and all claims (other than contractual claims) against each other for personal injury to or death of their military or civilian personnel, or for damage, loss or destruction of the other's military property arising out of the activities covered by this agreement," the SOFA said.

Over the past year, tensions between Guyana and Venezuela have been high after the Nicolas Maduro government proposed and passed a referendum to occupy the disputed Essequibo region.

Maduro gave oil companies operating off Guyana's coast three months to wrap up their operations and there were numerous reports that Venezuelan troops were seen organising on the Venezuelan/Guyana border.

In the face of growing concern of instability in the region, Maduro and Guyana's president Dr Irfaan Ali met in St Vincent and the Grenadines on December 14, 2023, and agreed to avoid the use of any force and not to escalate tensions in their dispute over the Essequibo.

On July 28, Maduro faced the polls in the Venezuelan presidential elections, which he has been accused of stealing from Opposition candidate Edmundo González Urrutia. The winner of the election will be sworn in in January 2025 for a six-year term.

US backs Maduro's opponent for presidency

A November 27 White House press background briefing by senior administration officials, focusing on Maduro's claim to victory in the election, outlined steps by the US to increase pressure on Maduro ahead of the four-month mark of the election.

"...It was an election in which the Venezuelans voted resoundingly to make Edmundo Gonzalez Urrutia the president-elect," a senior official said.

"In the months since July 28, we have given Nicolas Maduro and his representatives every opportunity to do the right thing and we have incentivised the possibility of democratic steps. Instead, Maduro and his representatives decided to use violent repression and to seize power at all costs.
"This is not something the US will stand for, and nor will other countries in the region stand for this.

"Therefore, the US has taken steps to increase pressure against Maduro and his representatives who are responsible for the electoral fraud that took place on July 28 and afterwards and the brutal repression that we’ve seen in the last few months."

Those steps included the sanction of 21 security and cabinet-level officials who lead the national guard, police, intelligence service and militia and are aligned with Maduro.

"All of these entities are part of Maduro’s security apparatus and are responsible for violently repressing peaceful protesters and carrying out arbitrary detentions.

"We have also included Maduro-aligned officials who have been responsible for anti-democratic acts."

New restrictions were also place on Maduro "alliance officials who have undermined the electoral process in Venezuela and are responsible for acts of repression.

"The steps that we are taking today build on multiple actions that we have taken already to hold the current and former Venezuelan officials accountable for undermining democracy in Venezuela and to hold them accountable for violating human rights. These actions will follow on similar sanctions and visa restrictions that we announced last September."

The official said the US government had placed sanctions on 180 Venezuelan officials and 100 Venezuelan entities.

This THE EXACT thread this topic is meant for ....

[sMASH]

Imagine doing all this and still getting shafted with no dragon gas deal

hover done see the play

Remember bin laden was their resistance fighter against the ussr. This Jalani dude HAS a $10m bounty on his head as a terrorist while they are talking about supporting them in Syria ...





Fk, they gonna do to maduro what they did to Assad...

the vene opposition leader is exiled in Spain but said their presidential delay from election to coronation is 6 months after election .
So in January or February he would return to be the president .

Could be the us is deciding to help with replacing maduro and are setting up their side.

[hover11]

A lorry driver, while on the job with co-workers, was abducted by spanish-speaking men who blocked his truck with their car. This is what max likes

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[88sins]

Igno, where you at?
Ppl saying things that make yuh favorite flavor of anus that tickles your taste buds look bad, and yuh eh saying nuttn.

[MaxPower]

A lorry driver, while on the job with co-workers, was abducted by spanish-speaking men who blocked his truck with their car. This is what max likes

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Our Venezuelan brothers and sisters are being extorted and forced into lives of crime or their families harmed.

Are there any Venezuelans that are bonafide criminals…Yes, but crime activity is low.

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A lorry driver, while on the job with co-workers, was abducted by spanish-speaking men who blocked his truck with their car. This is what max likes

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Our Venezuelan brothers and sisters are being extorted and forced into lives of crime or their families harmed.

Are there any Venezuelans that are bonafide criminals…Yes, but crime activity is low.

Max, you're delusional

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[hover11]

Robbing their own ppl, where Max

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[paid_influencer]

^ time for the TTPS to habla español

[hover11]

The dragon is dead

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[pugboy]

maybe if they invade and take over caracas they will allow us full accwss

[sMASH]

That is the play . All maduro back up quiteee in eastern Europe and Persia . He kinda in a bad spot unless some Latin American peeps decide to lend support .

[Dizzy28]

Apart from Dragon BP has the Manakin Cocuina field which is also a cross border project requiring US approval

[hover11]

That is the play . All maduro back up quiteee in eastern Europe and Persia . He kinda in a bad spot unless some Latin American peeps decide to lend support .

After what he put his ppl through who would lend him support

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[Dizzy28]

Gabriel Boric who is one of the most leftist leaders in South America has once again called Maduro a dictator yesterday.
Reinforces that the only supporters of the regime in Caracas in Latin America are Cuba and Nicaragua.

[sMASH]

That is the play . All maduro back up quiteee in eastern Europe and Persia . He kinda in a bad spot unless some Latin American peeps decide to lend support .

After what he put his ppl through who would lend him support

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What we tend to see are the anti maduro people because of western aligned media bias , he has a lot of support still.


These gonna be some interesting times .
We living tru some historical geo political re alignments.

[hover11]

Rowley and Stuart Amigo

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[Gladiator]

The dragon is deadFB_IMG_1736527059556.jpg

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Stuart might step down from Prime Minister now