Firearms User License HELP

[Habit7]

If something is ethically questionable, but not necessarily outright illegal, in your mind, is it a good idea for a "leader" or high office holder to engage in such practices? Will such conduct enhance or diminish their credibility/reliability/trustworthiness?

Ethically questionable is subjective. If anybody were to restrict themselves from what is ethical questionable would they use electricity and ICE cars because of the carbon footprint? Would they eat meat? Would they drink alcohol? Ethics are so variable that nobody could go through their day without violating somebody else's ethics.

The laws of the country are more serious than anybody's ethics. So when faced with investigations that show that illegality was done, you respond with "but he do something unethical!" That is a ruse.

There isn't a leader who hasn't done something unethical, I have a problem with a leader doing something illegal.

Let's get something very clear here.
Ethics are not subjective. Ethics are, broadly speaking, a generally accepted set of rules and guidelines understood and accepted by a group of people in order to ensure that the actions of those in their field do not tarnish the reputation of the entire group.
There are codes of conduct and ethical standards for a great many careers, doctors, accountants, lawyers, engineers, research scientists, etc , and the people who work in their respective fields generally adhere to such codes and standards, in the understanding that these things keep the reputations of those pereons in these careers in.good standing and at a high standard, and clear of disrepute.

You seem to be confusing ethics with morality.


But even if you are, you can rest assured, politicians, and anybody aspiring to get into politics, generally possess neither ethics nor morality. They tend to be intentionally bankrupt of both, and history has supplied quite a lot of evidence to prove this beyond doubt.

You wrong like an O



But I don't want to get distracted by this rabbit hole.

Back to the point at hand, the CoP is the ultimate person responsible for FUL according to the law. Investigations has shown ppl underage, criminal charges and under criminal investigations got FULs. When one expects he should account for his tenure he throws out a red herring for ppl who never like the PM from day 1. You can be distracted by that if you want.

I am concerned about the objective illegality that the investigation shows. That could never be compared to the subjective ethics that the CoP and PM are involved in. In fact it further puts the CoP under scrutiny.

[zoom rader]

If something is ethically questionable, but not necessarily outright illegal, in your mind, is it a good idea for a "leader" or high office holder to engage in such practices? Will such conduct enhance or diminish their credibility/reliability/trustworthiness?

Ethically questionable is subjective. If anybody were to restrict themselves from what is ethical questionable would they use electricity and ICE cars because of the carbon footprint? Would they eat meat? Would they drink alcohol? Ethics are so variable that nobody could go through their day without violating somebody else's ethics.

The laws of the country are more serious than anybody's ethics. So when faced with investigations that show that illegality was done, you respond with "but he do something unethical!" That is a ruse.

There isn't a leader who hasn't done something unethical, I have a problem with a leader doing something illegal.

Let's get something very clear here.
Ethics are not subjective. Ethics are, broadly speaking, a generally accepted set of rules and guidelines understood and accepted by a group of people in order to ensure that the actions of those in their field do not tarnish the reputation of the entire group.
There are codes of conduct and ethical standards for a great many careers, doctors, accountants, lawyers, engineers, research scientists, etc , and the people who work in their respective fields generally adhere to such codes and standards, in the understanding that these things keep the reputations of those pereons in these careers in.good standing and at a high standard, and clear of disrepute.

You seem to be confusing ethics with morality.


But even if you are, you can rest assured, politicians, and anybody aspiring to get into politics, generally possess neither ethics nor morality. They tend to be intentionally bankrupt of both, and history has supplied quite a lot of evidence to prove this beyond doubt.

You wrong like an O



But I don't want to get distracted by this rabbit hole.

Back to the point at hand, the CoP is the ultimate person responsible for FUL according to the law. Investigations has shown ppl underage, criminal charges and under criminal investigations got FULs. When one expects he should account for his tenure he throws out a red herring for ppl who never like the PM from day 1. You can be distracted by that if you want.

I am concerned about the objective illegality that the investigation shows. That could never be compared to the subjective ethics that the CoP and PM are involved in. In fact it further puts the CoP under scrutiny.

Wrong

Rowlee has said he issues FULs

U neee to watch the vid

[pugboy]

nah, when rowlee said “we” he was referring to himself being part of usa govt policy according to our context expert

[Habit7]

nah, when rowlee said “we” he was referring to himself being part of usa govt policy according to our context expert

Yes and when he said "they" he was refering to Joe Biden writing in the 2nd Amendment 1791, that is why he is so old.

[zoom rader]

nah, when rowlee said “we” he was referring to himself being part of usa govt policy according to our context expert

Yes and when he said "they" he was refering to Joe Biden writing in the 2nd Amendment 1791, that is why he is so old.

Nope not true

Rowlee has the final say on FULs

Dictatorship to the fullest

[16 cycles]

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/opposit ... dff567668e

............

Hosein said that the commission should reopen its investigation based on the latest information, as the property was purchased during the period when the application inquiries were allegedly made.

“I am calling on the Integrity Commission today, on behalf of the citizens of T&T, that they ought to investigate this matter in light of these circumstances that have come into the public domain,” Hosein said. 

He stated that he was not casting aspersions, as the commission should determine whether there was wrongdoing. “Let them determine what the facts of the matter are,” he said. 

Hosein questioned whether Rowley had followed up on FUL applications for any other citizen. “Has the Prime Minister now reduced the Office of the Prime Minister to the role of a caddy boy?” he asked.

Referring to newspaper reports of citizens filing lawsuits over delays by the Office of the Police Commissioner in deciding their applications, Hosein said, “How many other persons were denied or applications were languishing and they have to go to court?”


Hosein noted that in an interview in the Sunday Express, Warner denied requesting Rowley and Young’s assistance in following up on his applications. Warner also revealed that he applied for the FUL after he was robbed twice at gunpoint.

“Were they acting on their own volition? That makes it worse,” Hosein said. Hosein questioned why Young was checking on the blasting licence, as he noted that such did not fall under the purview of his then-ministry. 

“Blasting permits are issued under the Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSH Act) by the Police Commissioner with advice from the chief factory inspector. The Ministry of National Security has no role to play with blasting permits,” Hosein said. 

one of the primary reasons citizens apply - they should indicate when his 1st application was made...and how long it took...

[pugboy]

the fact that warner was robbed twice is of no consequence, many persons have been crime victims and applied after

it is totally up to rowlee to decide right now

[16 cycles]

So instead of making the illegal contribution to the FuL department, folks can make a financial legal contribution to PNM party for fast track?

[pugboy]

well weight the cost of a townhouse vs a lil $30-40k

So instead of making the illegal contribution to the FuL department, folks can make a financial legal contribution to PNM party for fast track?

[88sins]

Why allyuh beating up with this boy who actually believes that ethics as relates to standards of practice and what is to be considered normal behavior within a group is strictly a subjective concept?

[88sins]

So instead of making the illegal contribution to the FuL department, folks can make a financial legal contribution to PNM party for fast track?

It would cost less to make the illegal contribution.
Unless you popular in local politics, the only things that pnm contribution will net you is " thanks for the free money, now be a good lad & quietly fack-away back to wherever yuh come from"

[pugboy]

scotland jump fast to protect heinz being made out as a liar yes

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9M7DxnO ... V2dzYwbw==

[16 cycles]

scotland jump fast to protect heinz being made out as a liar yes

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9M7DxnO ... V2dzYwbw==

with receipts

[Habit7]

scotland jump fast to protect heinz being made out as a liar yes

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9M7DxnO ... V2dzYwbw==

Firstly, Hinds lied.

Secondly, PEA contradicts himself. He said Hinds is guilty of misbehaviour in public office because he circumvented the FUL application at the local police station. But then reads GG saying their applications are languishing in local police stations already and he will attend to them. So nothing was circumvented. All Hinds did was make a recommendation and just as the guy said from what was edited out of the video, all MPs do that.

Thirdly, GG continues to throw out feed of legal FUL discussions with politicians to distract from the illegal allegations that face him with the investigations under his tenure.

PEA and the rest of the anti-PNM crew are so letting their bias cloud them. If I an average citizen were to walk up to any CoP and say, "hey, give that man an FUL" and the CoP does so, it is a dereliction of duty of the CoP, not me or the man. If GG is leaking msgs of ppl making recommendations of FULs, according to the law HE as CoP and gatekeeper of FULs is responsible for following the law first, not them.

But I must credit him because nobody is discussing the gun dealers and their wives, the underaged, the wife beaters, the drug traffickers and other criminally charged ppl getting guns. Ppl are talking about the PM businessman friend and TTDF members, "the real threat."

[pugboy]

we are fully aware that gg has been doing favors and is complicit

but he is not in charge or taken charge and claiming to be holier than thou…..

[Habit7]

The man literally said "5,000 FULs issued in past 3 years, none used to commit crimes or murder"
https://www.cnc3.co.tt/griffith-5000-fu ... or-murder/

BTW only the Commissioner of Police is responsible for FULs, nobody else.

[16 cycles]

Writing a dissertation on PEA's opinion is a fool's errand.

[pugboy]

rule #1 shift narrative to the messenger

Writing a dissertation on PEA's opinion is a fool's errand.

[Habit7]

Yeah like leaking legal WhatsApp messages between you and messenger to distract from the allegations of illegality the messenger just delivered about you.

[pugboy]

you seem upset

[Habit7]

I can't help but feel this is your feeble attempt to "shift narrative to the messenger."

My feelings are irrelevant, let's get back to the topic plz.

[MaxPower]

The man literally said "5,000 FULs issued in past 3 years, none used to commit crimes or murder"
https://www.cnc3.co.tt/griffith-5000-fu ... or-murder/

BTW only the Commissioner of Police is responsible for FULs, nobody else.

Hi Team,

May i ask how do we know for sure that none of these 5,000 issuances were used to commit crimes based on our homicide clearance rate?

[88sins]

The man literally said "5,000 FULs issued in past 3 years, none used to commit crimes or murder"
https://www.cnc3.co.tt/griffith-5000-fu ... or-murder/

BTW only the Commissioner of Police is responsible for FULs, nobody else.

Hi Team,

May i ask how do we know for sure that none of these 5,000 issuances were used to commit crimes based on our homicide clearance rate?

Thinking too small boi.
Plenty criminal activity can be perpetrated with a firearm, legal or not. Robbery, wounding with or without intent, intimidation of unarmed persons, etc.

doh just watch the homicide rate and the abysmal rate of solved homicide cases

[MaxPower]

^ or ok cool

[Chimera]

big up habit tho

if a educated person like habit could take rowley chain up and give him full support

it really have no hope for the uneducated masses that make up the majority of the supporters

PNM for a next 15 years, run trinidad to the ground

[Habit7]

Too bad you eating Griffith chain up thinking criminals feared him when statistically he made an average impact on crime.

[pugboy]

so what is the crime plan for 2024?

heard something about joint army patrols the other day when murders/homicides spiked
but nothing since

[88sins]

big up habit tho

if a educated person like habit could take rowley chain up and give him full support

it really have no hope for the uneducated masses that make up the majority of the supporters

PNM for a next 15 years, run trinidad to the ground

It's the inevitable result of tribal politics whereby persons are indoctrinated into voting for candidates based on hair texture, skin color and other meaningless criteria, instead of on merit, qualification, character, and historical evidence.

buh wha yuh go do

[88sins]

so what is the crime plan for 2024?

heard something about joint army patrols the other day when murders/homicides spiked
but nothing since

Crime plan?
From these corrupt incompetents?
Out of the same national security apparatus that for the last several decades getting significant funding and failing at every turn with every single crime plan to date?

Yuh sure daz wha yuh want?

[pugboy]

crime going down according to habit since gg gone
home invasions are a figment of our imagination since it is not defined in any context real or imaginary