Lafast and BYD

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

China has a well-known history of manufacturing disposable poor quality products. Not one of their automobiles has stood the test of time. That type of culture doesn't change overnight.

has there ever been a reliable Chinese designed and manufactured automobile of any kind?

Globally customers seem to like their cars

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Is so, Duane? That's kinda like how Xiaomi getting into the EV market. Still prefer to wait for the long term ownership reports though.

Just posting the stats and facts as they stand so far.
Their sales have been doing very well globally for the past few years.

[Zee]

Local pricing is totally insane. They wanna make 100% profit when I'm sure they are getting discounts and concessions on top of the no tax situation.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Local pricing is totally insane. They wanna make 100% profit when I'm sure they are getting discounts and concessions on top of the no tax situation.

You saw the prices in Jamaica?

In Jamaica they have one version starting at US$72,336 and another starting at US$78,918
https://www.atlautomotive.com/make/byd/

[assassin]

What is the price of the BYD Seal?

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Any idea what the warranty is? I'd be willing to try this out at a price of $300k with a 5yr warranty

I wonder what is the target market with that $550k tag?

[pugboy]

those prices not helping achieve net zero carbon emissions

[Zee]

Local pricing is totally insane. They wanna make 100% profit when I'm sure they are getting discounts and concessions on top of the no tax situation.

You saw the prices in Jamaica?

In Jamaica they have one version starting at US$72,336 and another starting at US$78,918
https://www.atlautomotive.com/make/byd/

I did see it in your post. Price gouging should be monitored locally as it is done abroad.

[maj. tom]

Xiaomi SU7


Chinese smartphone maker Xiaomi has launched its first electric vehicle (EV) and will begin taking orders.

Its chief executive Lei Jun said this week that the Speed Ultra 7 (SU7) would be priced below 500,000 yuan ($69,186; £54,836).

The move sees the technology giant taking on rivals like Tesla and BYD.

Xiaomi's entry into the electric car market comes as sales growth has slowed globally, triggering a price war.

The firm is hoping that the SU7's shared operating system with its phones, laptops and other devices will appeal to existing customers.

Xiaomi is the third-largest seller of smartphones worldwide with a market share of about 12%, according to research firm Counterpoint.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68672192

[gastly369]

What is the price of the BYD Seal?

550 Large

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Any idea what the warranty is? I'd be willing to try this out at a price of $300k with a 5yr warranty

I wonder what is the target market with that $550k tag?

But ah tesla model 3 is cheaper(not saying better) but dam

[pugboy]

ev are still in the early days
like flat screen tv, only the rich neighbour had…

[A172]

These are used in the UK.

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Idk why all the people crying ITT ain't organise their forex and show the dealership who's boss

[Rovin]

CNBC made a very nice convincing video on BYD but u wonder at price point locally ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybl8IvhGAJ4

[pugboy]

the market forces starting to shift demand

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/02/busi ... index.html

[Zee]

Media outlets are saying that EVs are not moving off lots. Tesla is taking a hit. More and more Manufacturers are coming out of the woodwork with EVs. However, in my honest opinion - none of those circumstances cause changes locally. We are at the mercy of the Dealers and their price gouging.

[gastly369]

I ain't see any on road yet...

[pugboy]

it have a few on road locally
teslas a while now, mg, hyundai
massy selling volvos
and the great wall ones

[VexXx Dogg]

It's weird how the everyday Joe hates on Chinese phones, head units, car parts, electronics - but queuing up to buy the cars.

[pugboy]

lately i buy plenty clothes on amazon that are chinese sub brands, very good quality

[Les Bain]

There's one I see on FB ads that looks like Secret Squirrel's car. Saw a salmonish coloured one in the east a few weeks ago. It looked better in person.

[VexXx Dogg]

lately i buy plenty clothes on amazon that are chinese sub brands, very good quality

What brands? I eh mind trying that

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

There's one I see on FB ads that looks like Secret Squirrel's car. Saw a salmonish coloured one in the east a few weeks ago. It looked better in person.

The GWM Ora?

[Les Bain]

There's one I see on FB ads that looks like Secret Squirrel's car. Saw a salmonish coloured one in the east a few weeks ago. It looked better in person.

The GWM Ora?

Ahh boy Duane. A fellow Secret Squirrel fan!

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Let’s do a small comparison, looking only at hybrid cars in the first instance.

Example:
A non hybrid gasoline car takes $300 to fill, and gets 350km to the tank.

A Japanese Hybrid car such as the Note, Aqua, Fielder, Vezel, etc takes $300 to fill and gets 700-800km to the tank.

The non hybrid car drives 50,000km using 143 tanks at a cost of $42,900 in fuel.

The Japanese hybrid car drives 50,000km using 72 tanks of fuel at a cost of $21,600 in fuel.

Fast forward 3-4 years to 150,000km of driving, and maybe you have not properly maintained the hybrid systems, which are easy enough to look after, but you now need a hybrid battery.

You will have saved $63,000 in fuel by this point, but now, maybe, you have to spend $15,000-20,000 for a new hybrid battery.

Over the 3-4 years, you have also reduced your emissions by half. Let’s forget global warning for a moment. You’ve put a lot less pollution into the atmosphere too.

All that’s really missing now, in Trinidad, is a proper way to get the used batteries into a recycling program.

Now let’s look at Fully Electric.

Fully electric is not for everyone. Some will ask what fuel is used to supply the electricity that charges these cars.

It’s no secret that a lot of standby power is available on the power grids, and effectively lost, when not “consumed”.

In Trinidad, the cost of electricity to charge your fully electric car is many many times cheaper than the cost of the fuel you would buy to fill your fuel tank.

So, the short story is not only the argument of what is or is not causing global warming.

The pollution caused by internal combustion engines has serious health ramifications for the human race.

So tell me again, especially for Trinidad and Tobago, why not embrace hybrids until hydrogen or other technologies mature?

Japan uses Hybrid because they can’t effectively implement the charging stations for fully electric. 2nd and 3rd generation hybrids are more reliable than ever.

Cutting emissions in half is not a bad thing.

[eliteauto]

Let’s do a small comparison, looking only at hybrid cars in the first instance.

Example:
A non hybrid gasoline car takes $300 to fill, and gets 350km to the tank.

A Japanese Hybrid car such as the Note, Aqua, Fielder, Vezel, etc takes $300 to fill and gets 700-800km to the tank.

The non hybrid car drives 50,000km using 143 tanks at a cost of $42,900 in fuel.

The Japanese hybrid car drives 50,000km using 72 tanks of fuel at a cost of $21,600 in fuel.

Fast forward 3-4 years to 150,000km of driving, and maybe you have not properly maintained the hybrid systems, which are easy enough to look after, but you now need a hybrid battery.

You will have saved $63,000 in fuel by this point, but now, maybe, you have to spend $15,000-20,000 for a new hybrid battery.

Over the 3-4 years, you have also reduced your emissions by half. Let’s forget global warning for a moment. You’ve put a lot less pollution into the atmosphere too.

All that’s really missing now, in Trinidad, is a proper way to get the used batteries into a recycling program.

Now let’s look at Fully Electric.

Fully electric is not for everyone. Some will ask what fuel is used to supply the electricity that charges these cars.

It’s no secret that a lot of standby power is available on the power grids, and effectively lost, when not “consumed”.

In Trinidad, the cost of electricity to charge your fully electric car is many many times cheaper than the cost of the fuel you would buy to fill your fuel tank.

So, the short story is not only the argument of what is or is not causing global warming.

The pollution caused by internal combustion engines has serious health ramifications for the human race.

So tell me again, especially for Trinidad and Tobago, why not embrace hybrids until hydrogen or other technologies mature?

Japan uses Hybrid because they can’t effectively implement the charging stations for fully electric. 2nd and 3rd generation hybrids are more reliable than ever.

Cutting emissions in half is not a bad thing.

^^ What is the source of this? Was there any follow-up discussion from this post? I'm preparing a proposal paper on the use of electric vehicles in the transportation sector and would welcome real-world experiences and numbers from actual owners.

[pugboy]

the “spare generated current” should be discounted since a hybrid/ev consuming less to be wasted either way and less polluting

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Let’s do a small comparison, looking only at hybrid cars in the first instance.

Example:
A non hybrid gasoline car takes $300 to fill, and gets 350km to the tank.

A Japanese Hybrid car such as the Note, Aqua, Fielder, Vezel, etc takes $300 to fill and gets 700-800km to the tank.

The non hybrid car drives 50,000km using 143 tanks at a cost of $42,900 in fuel.

The Japanese hybrid car drives 50,000km using 72 tanks of fuel at a cost of $21,600 in fuel.

Fast forward 3-4 years to 150,000km of driving, and maybe you have not properly maintained the hybrid systems, which are easy enough to look after, but you now need a hybrid battery.

You will have saved $63,000 in fuel by this point, but now, maybe, you have to spend $15,000-20,000 for a new hybrid battery.

Over the 3-4 years, you have also reduced your emissions by half. Let’s forget global warning for a moment. You’ve put a lot less pollution into the atmosphere too.

All that’s really missing now, in Trinidad, is a proper way to get the used batteries into a recycling program.

Now let’s look at Fully Electric.

Fully electric is not for everyone. Some will ask what fuel is used to supply the electricity that charges these cars.

It’s no secret that a lot of standby power is available on the power grids, and effectively lost, when not “consumed”.

In Trinidad, the cost of electricity to charge your fully electric car is many many times cheaper than the cost of the fuel you would buy to fill your fuel tank.

So, the short story is not only the argument of what is or is not causing global warming.

The pollution caused by internal combustion engines has serious health ramifications for the human race.

So tell me again, especially for Trinidad and Tobago, why not embrace hybrids until hydrogen or other technologies mature?

Japan uses Hybrid because they can’t effectively implement the charging stations for fully electric. 2nd and 3rd generation hybrids are more reliable than ever.

Cutting emissions in half is not a bad thing.

^^ What is the source of this? Was there any follow-up discussion from this post? I'm preparing a proposal paper on the use of electric vehicles in the transportation sector and would welcome real-world experiences and numbers from actual owners.

This is from a post by Cristian Bourne at CRiSM

[pugboy]

that comparison shows the fuel savings but is lacking the cost of car capital cost

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

UBS (a global firm providing financial services in over 50 countries) launched a project that would tear down and study electric vehicles from suppliers around the world. In September of 2023, they took apart the Seal, a high-tech offering from BYD that is aimed at the mass market.

What they found looks like bad news for legacy carmakers, especially in Europe.

The CEO of Renault said that the Chinese car makers are far ahead of everyone else, a whole generation ahead.

[Zee]

I am a Xiaomi fan, their offering looks interesting too

[Dave]

I am a Xiaomi fan, their offering looks interesting too

Ditto!

[pugboy]

electric cars are orders of magnitude easier to build simply because of very simple drivetrain, no gearbox required. it’s just motors connected to wheel axles and the speed controller controls the speed.