Guyana-Venezuela border dispute

[timothymcdavid]

There is nothing to mediate or negotiate or even talk about this border business is before the ICJ that is Guyana's contention and talk by CARICOM countries about mediation and negotiation is them taking on Venezuela's talking points which is traitorous at best.

[maj. tom]

What talking points can it possibly have? Neither Guyana or Venezuela will accept just piece of the pie as a compromise.

[paid_influencer]

There is nothing to mediate or negotiate or even talk about this border business is before the ICJ that is Guyana's contention and talk by CARICOM countries about mediation and negotiation is them taking on Venezuela's talking points which is traitorous at best.

both sides have good points and talk never hurt anybody.

Venezuela has been claiming the disputed area since the 1800's, yet when last was there a war over it? The proof is there - Talk works.

You know what doesn't work? Adverturism and involving foreign powers that do not have our regional interest as a priority. We are neighbours, it is not traitorous to talk plainly amongst ourselves.

[Redress10]

There is nothing to mediate or negotiate or even talk about this border business is before the ICJ that is Guyana's contention and talk by CARICOM countries about mediation and negotiation is them taking on Venezuela's talking points which is traitorous at best.

both sides have good points and talk never hurt anybody.

Venezuela has been claiming the disputed area since the 1800's, yet when last was there a war over it? The proof is there - Talk works.

You know what doesn't work? Adverturism and involving foreign powers that do not have our regional interest as a priority. We are neighbours, it is not traitorous to talk plainly amongst ourselves.

Some of these ppl have fantasist ambitions about war as if caricom is a region capable of any sort of conflict. Talk is always good.

[timothymcdavid]

Talk is good ... lol ... talk accomplished what when in recent memory ... Talk doesnt placate an aggressor like Venezuela it only encourages them as it shows weakness.

Ukraine is a good example of talking yourself into a corner ... they accepted false Russian promises of no aggression and gave up their nukes look where they are now.

Venezuela isnt prepared to accept anything less than all of Essequibo and CARICOM by encouraging talk is encouraging them in this position.

There is nothing to negotiate or mediate in this matter President of Guyana is correct let ICJ decide.

[Skanky]

Maduro ent going one fcuk.
He going to say it’s a plot by the opposition and the US/Guyana to assasinate him and Venezuela should lock up his opposition for treason and fire bun the USA for plotting to kill him.
More aggression towards Guyana and the USA.

[Redress10]

Talk is good ... lol ... talk accomplished what when in recent memory ... Talk doesnt placate an aggressor like Venezuela it only encourages them as it shows weakness.

Ukraine is a good example of talking yourself into a corner ... they accepted false Russian promises of no aggression and gave up their nukes look where they are now.

Venezuela isnt prepared to accept anything less than all of Essequibo and CARICOM by encouraging talk is encouraging them in this position.

There is nothing to negotiate or mediate in this matter President of Guyana is correct let ICJ decide.

Some of you all keep talking as though it's only Maduro pushing Essequibo agenda. The average Venezuelan believes that the region is rightfully theirs. This problem not going away anytime soon even if Maduro goes away. Guyana needs a definite answer to this now. The ICJ has already stated that a judgement is years away at best. Guyana aint have years to wait with an emerging aggressor next door. The US and european countries don't need to exist and live next door to Venezuela but Guyana does.

Let them talk and see what the next steps could be.

[Kickstart]

There is nothing to mediate or negotiate or even talk about this border business is before the ICJ that is Guyana's contention and talk by CARICOM countries about mediation and negotiation is them taking on Venezuela's talking points which is traitorous at best.

Caricom is just noise and seen as a backwater association in the hands of the US

[timothymcdavid]

Talk is good ... lol ... talk accomplished what when in recent memory ... Talk doesnt placate an aggressor like Venezuela it only encourages them as it shows weakness.

Ukraine is a good example of talking yourself into a corner ... they accepted false Russian promises of no aggression and gave up their nukes look where they are now.

Venezuela isnt prepared to accept anything less than all of Essequibo and CARICOM by encouraging talk is encouraging them in this position.

There is nothing to negotiate or mediate in this matter President of Guyana is correct let ICJ decide.

Some of you all keep talking as though it's only Maduro pushing Essequibo agenda. The average Venezuelan believes that the region is rightfully theirs. This problem not going away anytime soon even if Maduro goes away. Guyana needs a definite answer to this now. The ICJ has already stated that a judgement is years away at best. Guyana aint have years to wait with an emerging aggressor next door. The US and european countries don't need to exist and live next door to Venezuela but Guyana does.

Let them talk and see what the next steps could be.

Bro ... Guyana doesnt need anything other than the status quo to be maintained that is the irony of this situation.

ICJ has already ruled on this and has stated Venezuela shouldnt disturb the status quo.

Any further action by Venezuela will be a violation of international law so what is it we need to talk about?

This unilateral position you are taking talk or there will be war isnt the position on the ground it is Maduro's talk his unilateral position which he cant back up.

As you stated Venezuela isnt going to accept anything but the area being under their administration that isnt going to change.

But in the future under the status quo Guyana will be in a better position to defend itself or there maybe an American base in the disputed area an ICJ ruling would facilitate that.

[Redress10]

Talk is good ... lol ... talk accomplished what when in recent memory ... Talk doesnt placate an aggressor like Venezuela it only encourages them as it shows weakness.

Ukraine is a good example of talking yourself into a corner ... they accepted false Russian promises of no aggression and gave up their nukes look where they are now.

Venezuela isnt prepared to accept anything less than all of Essequibo and CARICOM by encouraging talk is encouraging them in this position.

There is nothing to negotiate or mediate in this matter President of Guyana is correct let ICJ decide.

Some of you all keep talking as though it's only Maduro pushing Essequibo agenda. The average Venezuelan believes that the region is rightfully theirs. This problem not going away anytime soon even if Maduro goes away. Guyana needs a definite answer to this now. The ICJ has already stated that a judgement is years away at best. Guyana aint have years to wait with an emerging aggressor next door. The US and european countries don't need to exist and live next door to Venezuela but Guyana does.

Let them talk and see what the next steps could be.

Bro ... Guyana doesnt need anything other than the status quo to be maintained that is the irony of this situation.

ICJ has already ruled on this and has stated Venezuela shouldnt disturb the status quo.

Any further action by Venezuela will be a violation of international law so what is it we need to talk about?

This unilateral position you are taking talk or there will be war isnt the position on the ground it is Maduro's talk his unilateral position which he cant back up.

As you stated Venezuela isnt going to accept anything but the area being under their administration that isnt going to change.

But in the future under the status quo Guyana will be in a better position to defend itself or there maybe an American base in the disputed area an ICJ ruling would facilitate that.

But the status quo can't remain if the status quo was created during Colonial times. That's the blunt truth. If Venezuela feels that Essequibo was tranferred to the British fraudulently then any exploration of that area by Guyana will forever cause resentment and may boil over into action.

Other south american countries don't want an american presence back in South America after decades of American imperialism and interference. So if Guyana facilitatates that then to other South American countries they become ostracised.

What is stopping Russia from putting a base in Venezuela if Guyana puts a US base there?

[timothymcdavid]

Guyana has always been ostracized by CARICOM members and by South America in general lill oil found everyone now wanna be friends is like when you win the lotto you got the world of friends but they arent really friends.

Russia putting a base in Venezuela ... lmao ... la la land.

Russia hands full with Ukraine.

The status quo has more or less been maintained since 1899 and will remain so.

US Southern Command is flying over Guyana making sure fellahs like allyuh know who runs thing in this hemisphere it isnt China or Russia it is Uncle Sam.

Uncle Sam wishes the status quo will be maintained till the ICJ ruling is made if Maduro wanna go against their wishes so be it more sanctions maybe some tomahawks and no dragon gas for Trinbago ... Guyana has stated its position they willing to talk but administration of Essequibo will not be up for any discussion.

[paid_influencer]

the status quo not really in we benefit.

Imagine we have to get US permission to buy gas from a country 11km away.

I mean I understand, but is it in we island benefit?

[timothymcdavid]

Let me add something it isnt only who regards the situation of Essequibo to be non negotiable.

Guyanese calypsonian Dave Martins has a very popular song called not a "blade of grass" ... it has essentially become a national song every Guyanese views situation in Essequibo and new rivertriangle "as being non negotiable".

Any Guyanese politician varying from this is essentially committing political suicide.

[Redress10]

Guyana has always been ostracized by CARICOM members and by South America in general lill oil found everyone now wanna be friends is like when you win the lotto you got the world of friends but they arent really friends.

Russia putting a base in Venezuela ... lmao ... la la land.

Russia hands full with Ukraine.

The status quo has more or less been maintained since 1899 and will remain so.

US Southern Command is flying over Guyana making sure fellahs like allyuh know who runs thing in this hemisphere it isnt China or Russia it is Uncle Sam.

Uncle Sam wishes the status quo will be maintained till the ICJ ruling is made if Maduro wanna go against their wishes so be it more sanctions maybe some tomahawks and no dragon gas for Trinbago ... Guyana has stated its position they willing to talk but administration of Essequibo will not be up for any discussion.

You acting as though when the bombs start falling they gonna fall in Washington or New York. Guyana already lose a helicopter and 5 bodies and nothing aint even start as yet. You honestly think that America is looking forward to going into a conflict with a country that has only 4000 armed personnel? Ukaine has thousands and look how that is playing out.

Also...newsflash...America isn't going to fight Guyana's war. Whether it is controlled by Venezuela or Guyana, they are still going to benefit from the minerals extracted from that region. So don't count on indefinite US support.

[timothymcdavid]

the status quo not really in we benefit.

Imagine we have to get US permission to buy gas from a country 11km away.

I mean I understand, but is it in we island benefit?

Uncle Sam wishes it so ... and thus so it is.

When Uncle Joe says jump you $kun7 start jump then you meekly ask "Massa I jump high nuff for u".

If trinibagonians got Imbert tekkin allyuh fools well you bess jump for Uncle Sam.

Uncle Sam has the green backs and the real military muscle to back up whatever they say and the will to use it at the slightest provocation as we have seen military interventions Grenada and Panama so allyuh keep playing foolish.

See what happens to Maduro if he tempts fate.

[paid_influencer]

shouldf we be sucking sam off tho

[timothymcdavid]

Guyana has always been ostracized by CARICOM members and by South America in general lill oil found everyone now wanna be friends is like when you win the lotto you got the world of friends but they arent really friends.

Russia putting a base in Venezuela ... lmao ... la la land.

Russia hands full with Ukraine.

The status quo has more or less been maintained since 1899 and will remain so.

US Southern Command is flying over Guyana making sure fellahs like allyuh know who runs thing in this hemisphere it isnt China or Russia it is Uncle Sam.

Uncle Sam wishes the status quo will be maintained till the ICJ ruling is made if Maduro wanna go against their wishes so be it more sanctions maybe some tomahawks and no dragon gas for Trinbago ... Guyana has stated its position they willing to talk but administration of Essequibo will not be up for any discussion.

You acting as though when the bombs start falling they gonna fall in Washington or New York. Guyana already lose a helicopter and 5 bodies and nothing aint even start as yet. You honestly think that America is looking forward to going into a conflict with a country that has only 4000 armed personnel? Ukaine has thousands and look how that is playing out.

Also...newsflash...America isn't going to fight Guyana's war. Whether it is controlled by Venezuela or Guyana, they are still going to benefit from the minerals extracted from that region. So don't count on indefinite US support.

It isnt Guyana's war bro ... It is Uncle Sam's 11 billion barrels of Oil ... lol ... you sleeping uncle sames planes already flying intentions are clear.

What war? Just a bunch of Sabre rattling nothing has changed planes crash all the time in Guyana bro ... flying in the bush is dangerous i know at least 5 pilots who have died ... I have a friend in Guyana who is a pilot he has crashed 3x's.

When it comes to Guyana you have alot to learn.

[Redress10]

Let me add something it isnt only who regards the situation of Essequibo to be non negotiable.

Guyanese calypsonian Dave Martins has a very popular song called not a "blade of grass" ... it has essentially become a national song every Guyanese views situation in Essequibo and new rivertriangle "as being non negotiable".

Any Guyanese politician varying from this is essentially committing political suicide.

Amazing song. Now let us see you all move Guyanese tanks and personnel to defend your border. What about the strength of your navy? Do you have one of those? Any planes that can penetrate and avoid venezuelan anti aircraft defenses?

[timothymcdavid]

shouldf we be sucking sam off tho

No but we cant go and be rude bro ... you play along and see about your interests ... Trinbago regionally has been doing a great job ... Trinbago is doing well in CARICOM maybe a bit to well in playing god father to the point where we are resented/envied.

I tell Guyanese all the time trinbago broke time for allyuh to play god father to the caribbean see the kind of appreciation trini's get for their troubles.

[timothymcdavid]

Amazing song. Now let us see you all move Guyanese tanks and personnel to defend your border. What about the strength of your navy? Do you have one of those? Any planes that can penetrate and avoid venezuelan anti aircraft defenses?

You ever been to the Essequibo bro ... the Brazilians (another Guyana ally) have posted troops on their border cause in order for the Venezuelans to enter the Essequibo enforce with same tanks and heavy equipment they must pass through Brazil it is for most part dense jungle ... it isnt planes or tanks that hold ground it is the infantry man with his rifle ... Venezuela militarily can never be stopped by Guyana.

Exxon ship captains done laugh at the Venezuelan navy already when ordered off their claim years ago so no need for a Guyanese navy.

Maduro tell Exxon they got 30 days to leave so let us see what happens there is going to be more laughter from the Americans.

But Venezuela better not invade or disrupt Exxon in anyway cause there will be terrible consequences read up on the Monroe doctrine nothing further needs to be said other than that.

It is a clear mismatch if Venezuela invades there essentially Guyana can do but offer token resistance ... and wait to see if Uncle Sam is prepared to look weak.

[Redress10]

Amazing song. Now let us see you all move Guyanese tanks and personnel to defend your border. What about the strength of your navy? Do you have one of those? Any planes that can penetrate and avoid venezuelan anti aircraft defenses?

You ever been to the Essequibo bro ... the Brazilians (another Guyana ally) have posted troops on their border cause in order for the Venezuelans to enter the Essequibo enforce with same tanks and heavy equipment they must pass through Brazil it is for most part dense jungle ... it isnt planes or tanks that hold ground it is the infantry man with his rifle ... Venezuela militarily can never be stopped by Guyana.

Exxon ship captains done laugh at the Venezuelan navy already when ordered off their claim years ago so no need for a Guyanese navy.

Maduro tell Exxon they got 30 days to leave so let us see what happens there is going to be more laughter from the Americans.

But Venezuela better not invade or disrupt Exxon in anyway cause there will be terrible consequences read up on the Monroe doctrine nothing further needs to be said other than that.

It is a clear mismatch if Venezuela invades there essentially Guyana can do but offer token resistance ... and wait to see if Uncle Sam is prepared to look weak.

The monroe doctrine isn't written in stone in case you forgot the British invasion of Argentina happened.

Whether or not is tanks or infantry you can bet your bottom dollar that it's not going to be US boots on the ground holding the line so the Venezuelans are going to outnumber the Guyanese considerably regardless. Are the people of Guyana prepared to start burying their sons and daughters in great numbers? We've seen what the mood is in Guyana because of the five fatalities so I don't think the guyanase population can stomach those losses.

The brazillian troop movement is not as a show of support of Guyana but to protect their sovereignty and to prevent the region from being destabilised unnecessarily.

You keep talking about America looking weak as though America simply wouldn't cut a backroom deal with Venezuela to cool it down. Do you honestly think that this is about Guyana or this is about Venezuela trying to leverage America to decrease sanctions etc?

What I am ultimately saying is what is the best move for Guyana that prevents unnecessary bloodshed and for it not be used as a bargaining tool?

[timothymcdavid]

Bro what British invasion of Argentina? Are you referring to the falklands war? Argentina invaded the Falklands and were summarily dealt with.

The backroom deal for Venezuela has already been done it was a reduction in sanctions if they hold elections in 2024 ... Reduction in sanctions has benefited Trinbago since under this dragon gas development is back on.

The best recourse for Guyana is the moves they have been taking ... this isnt the first time they have tried to align US national interests with Guyana's territorial interest in the Essequibo ... mission accomplished before Exxon found oil Venezuela could have walked in and taken over at anytime.

I really think you should go to Guyana and talk to some Guyanese while ethnically similar to Trinbago in make up they are a different people you will be surprised their attitude to bullying or "advantage".

[Redress10]

Seems the US getting cold feet to continue to fund the war in Ukraine.

Highly doubt they gonna he enthusiastic about funding Guyana's seeing that Guyana has even less equipment and manpower than Ukraine

[PariaMan]

All that is required to keep Maduro out is a few f16

Venezuela is no Russia

[teems1]

Seems the US getting cold feet to continue to fund the war in Ukraine.

Highly doubt they gonna he enthusiastic about funding Guyana's seeing that Guyana has even less equipment and manpower than Ukraine

Exxon Mobil is heavily invested in Guyana.

Oil and gas industry lobbyists can get nearly anything they want from congress.

[timothymcdavid]

Seems the US getting cold feet to continue to fund the war in Ukraine.

Highly doubt they gonna he enthusiastic about funding Guyana's seeing that Guyana has even less equipment and manpower than Ukraine

Exxon Mobil is heavily invested in Guyana.

Oil and gas industry lobbyists can get nearly anything they want from congress.

Exactly my point Exxon reported record profits this year why because of high oil prices and the sweet heart deal they got for Guyana 2% royalties practically unheard of they would have to find 5 or 7x that elsewhere.

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/news/n ... 23-results

But sit down and think this is only because Guyanese politicians cant negotiate one crap or lack knowledge or experience ... Venezuela has actively been trying to stifle development in Guyana's Essequibo for decades, running away oil exploration vessels and kicking up nonsense whenever any kind of substantive development is meant to take place.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... r-AA1l6aO9


I am still waiting on Redress10 to tell me when the UK invaded Argentina?

[ed360123]

Heads of state in St Vincent now

[zoom rader]

Seems the US getting cold feet to continue to fund the war in Ukraine.

Highly doubt they gonna he enthusiastic about funding Guyana's seeing that Guyana has even less equipment and manpower than Ukraine

Exxon Mobil is heavily invested in Guyana.

Oil and gas industry lobbyists can get nearly anything they want from congress.

Exactly my point Exxon reported record profits this year why because of high oil prices and the sweet heart deal they got for Guyana 2% royalties practically unheard of they would have to find 5 or 7x that elsewhere.

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/news/n ... 23-results

But sit down and think this is only because Guyanese politicians cant negotiate one crap or lack knowledge or experience ... Venezuela has actively been trying to stifle development in Guyana's Essequibo for decades, running away oil exploration vessels and kicking up nonsense whenever any kind of substantive development is meant to take place.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... r-AA1l6aO9


I am still waiting on Redress10 to tell me when the UK invaded Argentina?

The British tried twice

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British ... iver_Plate

[zoom rader]

Seems the US getting cold feet to continue to fund the war in Ukraine.

Highly doubt they gonna he enthusiastic about funding Guyana's seeing that Guyana has even less equipment and manpower than Ukraine

Exxon Mobil is heavily invested in Guyana.

Oil and gas industry lobbyists can get nearly anything they want from congress.

Exactly my point Exxon reported record profits this year why because of high oil prices and the sweet heart deal they got for Guyana 2% royalties practically unheard of they would have to find 5 or 7x that elsewhere.

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/news/n ... 23-results

But sit down and think this is only because Guyanese politicians cant negotiate one crap or lack knowledge or experience ... Venezuela has actively been trying to stifle development in Guyana's Essequibo for decades, running away oil exploration vessels and kicking up nonsense whenever any kind of substantive development is meant to take place.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... r-AA1l6aO9


I am still waiting on Redress10 to tell me when the UK invaded Argentina?

They actually tried twice

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British ... iver_Plate

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm

[death365]

Think bout it this way ... slaves were emancipated all over the world via legal agreements. What if Spain or other Europeans just decide that the agreements don't stand again and claim all descendants of slaves as their property.



It's the same thinking venezuela has right now.