Guyana-Venezuela border dispute

[zoom rader]

Me a small brain: Reads actual stuff
Tuner Big Brains: But did you see what that Youtuber Mr. FoilHat guy said on his podcast???

You won't understand how the US twisted the americas and Caribbean in their favor with the help of Britain.



Do carry on pea brain

[Dizzy28]

Me a small brain: Reads actual stuff
Tuner Big Brains: But did you see what that Youtuber Mr. FoilHat guy said on his podcast???

You won't understand how the US twisted the americas and Caribbean in their favor with the help of Britain.

Do carry on pea brain

How would I?
I prefer rational thoughts over conspiracy theories

[zoom rader]

Me a small brain: Reads actual stuff
Tuner Big Brains: But did you see what that Youtuber Mr. FoilHat guy said on his podcast???

You won't understand how the US twisted the americas and Caribbean in their favor with the help of Britain.

Do carry on pea brain

How would I?
I prefer rational thoughts over conspiracy theories

conspiracy theories?

Continue reading what the US & UK set u out to understand in their favor.

There is another part of Venezuela side that u have not read nor understand.


So do carry on

[Cantmis]

Guyana annexed more gas for us

[Ben_spanna]

Lots of false stories and click bait on this issue..

[zoom rader]

Lots of false stories and click bait on this issue..

Yup, people only hear or read as to what's given to them without hearing or reading the other side.

[Dizzy28]

Lots of false stories and click bait on this issue..

Yup, people only hear or read as to what's given to them without hearing or reading the other side.

[zoom rader]

Lots of false stories and click bait on this issue..

Yup, people only hear or read as to what's given to them without hearing or reading the other side.

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Right..........So the US gives lands to Britain to which both don't own .


Carry on

[bluefete]

Lots of false stories and click bait on this issue..

Yup, people only hear or read as to what's given to them without hearing or reading the other side.

123.jpg

Right..........So the US gives lands to Britain to which both don't own .


Carry on

Zoomie: Some people just will not understand because they take info only from one side and most importantly, they do not know the history.

[Dizzy28]

Lots of false stories and click bait on this issue..

Yup, people only hear or read as to what's given to them without hearing or reading the other side.

123.jpg

Right..........So the US gives lands to Britain to which both don't own .


Carry on

Zoomie: Some people just will not understand because they take info only from one side and most importantly, they do not know the history.

I posted a few days back about the whole history with Gran Colombia and their boundaries, the tribunal in 1899 that Venezuela accepted etc.

If you all still wanna shill for a dictatorship trying to shore up public support domestically based on a "Murica Bad" platform then go ahead. But you do not get to accuse anyone of ignorance.

[Chimera]

Wha skunt gwan here
Venezuela still sharing out passport to guyanese?

I could do with a 4th passport

[zoom rader]

Lots of false stories and click bait on this issue..

Yup, people only hear or read as to what's given to them without hearing or reading the other side.

123.jpg

Right..........So the US gives lands to Britain to which both don't own .


Carry on

Zoomie: Some people just will not understand because they take info only from one side and most importantly, they do not know the history.

I posted a few days back about the whole history with Gran Colombia and their boundaries, the tribunal in 1899 that Venezuela accepted etc.

If you all still wanna shill for a dictatorship trying to shore up public support domestically based on a "Murica Bad" platform then go ahead. But you do not get to accuse anyone of ignorance.

The history u got is the US & UK history to gaslighting the rest of the English of speaking world.

The entire land sharing out by the US to which they don't own was all corrupted in favor of the British.


But as usual carry on.

[zoom rader]

Wha skunt gwan here
Venezuela still sharing out passport to guyanese?

I could do with a 4th passport

No bro, the US shared out lands to which they never owned.

As it stands this not going anywhere and Venezuela lost. Same as the Falklands or Maldives to which side u want to view it.

[Dizzy28]

Lots of false stories and click bait on this issue..

Yup, people only hear or read as to what's given to them without hearing or reading the other side.

123.jpg

Right..........So the US gives lands to Britain to which both don't own .


Carry on

Zoomie: Some people just will not understand because they take info only from one side and most importantly, they do not know the history.

I posted a few days back about the whole history with Gran Colombia and their boundaries, the tribunal in 1899 that Venezuela accepted etc.

If you all still wanna shill for a dictatorship trying to shore up public support domestically based on a "Murica Bad" platform then go ahead. But you do not get to accuse anyone of ignorance.

The history u got is the US & UK history to gaslighting the rest of the English of speaking world.

The entire land sharing out by the US to which they don't own was all corrupted in favor of the British.


But as usual carry on.

Well post valid sources of info citing as such nah.

Until then you are just a shill for a dictator yapping propaganda

[maj. tom]

It was part of the US Monroe Doctrine policy in the Western Hemisphere. Venezuela asked USA for help, and USA in turn eventually told them to diplomatically f+ck off and used the old line to give back the British the disputed land.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/venezuela

In 1841 Venezuela disputed the British delineation, claiming territorial delineations established at the time of their independence from Spain. Venezuela claimed its borders extended as far east as the Essequibo River—an effective claim on two-thirds of British Guiana’s territory. When gold was discovered in the disputed territory, Great Britain sought to further extend its reach, claiming an additional 33,000 square miles west of the Schomburgk Line, an area where gold had been discovered. In 1876 Venezuela protested and appealed to the United States for assistance, citing the Monroe Doctrine as justification for U.S. involvement. For the next 19 years Venezuela repeatedly petitioned for U.S. assistance, calling on its neighbor to the north to intervene by either sponsoring arbitration or intervening with force. The United States responded by expressing concern, but did little to facilitate a resolution.

In 1895, invoking the Monroe Doctrine, newly appointed U.S. Secretary of State Richard Olney sent a strongly-worded note to British Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary Lord Salisbury, demanding that the British submit the boundary dispute to arbitration. Salisbury response was that the Monroe Doctrine had no validity as international law. The United States found that response unacceptable and in December 1895, President Grover Cleveland asked Congress for authorization to appoint a boundary commission, proposing that the commission’s findings be enforced “by every means.” Congress passed the measure unanimously and talk of war with Great Britain began to circulate in the U.S. press.

Great Britain, under pressure in South Africa with the Boers and managing an empire that spanned the globe, could ill afford another conflict. Lord Salisbury’s government submitted the dispute to the American boundary commission and said nothing else of the Monroe Doctrine. Venezuela enthusiastically submitted to arbitration, certain that the commission would decide in its favor. However, when the commission finally rendered a decision on October 3, 1899, it directed that the border follow the Schomburgk Line. Although of rejection of Great Britain’s increasingly extravagant claims, the ruling preserved the 1835 demarcation. Disappointed the Venezuelans quietly ratified the commission’s finding. Of far greater significance, the Anglo-Venezuelan boundary dispute incident asserted for the first time a more outward-looking American foreign policy, particularly in the Western Hemisphere. Internationally the incident marked the United States as a world power and gave notice that under the Monroe Doctrine it would exercise its claimed prerogatives in the Western Hemisphere.

[zoom rader]

Lots of false stories and click bait on this issue..

Yup, people only hear or read as to what's given to them without hearing or reading the other side.

123.jpg

Right..........So the US gives lands to Britain to which both don't own .


Carry on

Zoomie: Some people just will not understand because they take info only from one side and most importantly, they do not know the history.

I posted a few days back about the whole history with Gran Colombia and their boundaries, the tribunal in 1899 that Venezuela accepted etc.

If you all still wanna shill for a dictatorship trying to shore up public support domestically based on a "Murica Bad" platform then go ahead. But you do not get to accuse anyone of ignorance.

The history u got is the US & UK history to gaslighting the rest of the English of speaking world.

The entire land sharing out by the US to which they don't own was all corrupted in favor of the British.


But as usual carry on.

Well post valid sources of info citing as such nah.

Until then you are just a shill for a dictator yapping propaganda

Propaganda?

Do research Cont or stay dumb

[zoom rader]

It was part of the US Monroe Doctrine policy in the Western Hemisphere. Venezuela asked USA for help, and USA in turn eventually told them to diplomatically f+ck off and used the old line to give back the British the disputed land.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/venezuela

In 1841 Venezuela disputed the British delineation, claiming territorial delineations established at the time of their independence from Spain. Venezuela claimed its borders extended as far east as the Essequibo River—an effective claim on two-thirds of British Guiana’s territory. When gold was discovered in the disputed territory, Great Britain sought to further extend its reach, claiming an additional 33,000 square miles west of the Schomburgk Line, an area where gold had been discovered. In 1876 Venezuela protested and appealed to the United States for assistance, citing the Monroe Doctrine as justification for U.S. involvement. For the next 19 years Venezuela repeatedly petitioned for U.S. assistance, calling on its neighbor to the north to intervene by either sponsoring arbitration or intervening with force. The United States responded by expressing concern, but did little to facilitate a resolution.

In 1895, invoking the Monroe Doctrine, newly appointed U.S. Secretary of State Richard Olney sent a strongly-worded note to British Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary Lord Salisbury, demanding that the British submit the boundary dispute to arbitration. Salisbury response was that the Monroe Doctrine had no validity as international law. The United States found that response unacceptable and in December 1895, President Grover Cleveland asked Congress for authorization to appoint a boundary commission, proposing that the commission’s findings be enforced “by every means.” Congress passed the measure unanimously and talk of war with Great Britain began to circulate in the U.S. press.

Great Britain, under pressure in South Africa with the Boers and managing an empire that spanned the globe, could ill afford another conflict. Lord Salisbury’s government submitted the dispute to the American boundary commission and said nothing else of the Monroe Doctrine. Venezuela enthusiastically submitted to arbitration, certain that the commission would decide in its favor. However, when the commission finally rendered a decision on October 3, 1899, it directed that the border follow the Schomburgk Line. Although of rejection of Great Britain’s increasingly extravagant claims, the ruling preserved the 1835 demarcation. Disappointed the Venezuelans quietly ratified the commission’s finding. Of far greater significance, the Anglo-Venezuelan boundary dispute incident asserted for the first time a more outward-looking American foreign policy, particularly in the Western Hemisphere. Internationally the incident marked the United States as a world power and gave notice that under the Monroe Doctrine it would exercise its claimed prerogatives in the Western Hemisphere.

Yes Maj, problem was the British already made deals with US for lands which was not theirs.

In exchange the British would keep out and not show objection for US underhand involvement with Cuba, Haiti, Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico.

Venezuela exposed the corruption after they thought the US would have been fair.

[Dizzy28]

Yup, people only hear or read as to what's given to them without hearing or reading the other side.

123.jpg

Right..........So the US gives lands to Britain to which both don't own .


Carry on

Zoomie: Some people just will not understand because they take info only from one side and most importantly, they do not know the history.

I posted a few days back about the whole history with Gran Colombia and their boundaries, the tribunal in 1899 that Venezuela accepted etc.

If you all still wanna shill for a dictatorship trying to shore up public support domestically based on a "Murica Bad" platform then go ahead. But you do not get to accuse anyone of ignorance.

The history u got is the US & UK history to gaslighting the rest of the English of speaking world.

The entire land sharing out by the US to which they don't own was all corrupted in favor of the British.


But as usual carry on.

Well post valid sources of info citing as such nah.

Until then you are just a shill for a dictator yapping propaganda

Propaganda?

Do research Cont or stay dumb

Rum shop talk as usual from you.
Put up or shut up you skunt

[Dizzy28]

It was part of the US Monroe Doctrine policy in the Western Hemisphere. Venezuela asked USA for help, and USA in turn eventually told them to diplomatically f+ck off and used the old line to give back the British the disputed land.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/venezuela

In 1841 Venezuela disputed the British delineation, claiming territorial delineations established at the time of their independence from Spain. Venezuela claimed its borders extended as far east as the Essequibo River—an effective claim on two-thirds of British Guiana’s territory. When gold was discovered in the disputed territory, Great Britain sought to further extend its reach, claiming an additional 33,000 square miles west of the Schomburgk Line, an area where gold had been discovered. In 1876 Venezuela protested and appealed to the United States for assistance, citing the Monroe Doctrine as justification for U.S. involvement. For the next 19 years Venezuela repeatedly petitioned for U.S. assistance, calling on its neighbor to the north to intervene by either sponsoring arbitration or intervening with force. The United States responded by expressing concern, but did little to facilitate a resolution.

In 1895, invoking the Monroe Doctrine, newly appointed U.S. Secretary of State Richard Olney sent a strongly-worded note to British Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary Lord Salisbury, demanding that the British submit the boundary dispute to arbitration. Salisbury response was that the Monroe Doctrine had no validity as international law. The United States found that response unacceptable and in December 1895, President Grover Cleveland asked Congress for authorization to appoint a boundary commission, proposing that the commission’s findings be enforced “by every means.” Congress passed the measure unanimously and talk of war with Great Britain began to circulate in the U.S. press.

Great Britain, under pressure in South Africa with the Boers and managing an empire that spanned the globe, could ill afford another conflict. Lord Salisbury’s government submitted the dispute to the American boundary commission and said nothing else of the Monroe Doctrine. Venezuela enthusiastically submitted to arbitration, certain that the commission would decide in its favor. However, when the commission finally rendered a decision on October 3, 1899, it directed that the border follow the Schomburgk Line. Although of rejection of Great Britain’s increasingly extravagant claims, the ruling preserved the 1835 demarcation. Disappointed the Venezuelans quietly ratified the commission’s finding. Of far greater significance, the Anglo-Venezuelan boundary dispute incident asserted for the first time a more outward-looking American foreign policy, particularly in the Western Hemisphere. Internationally the incident marked the United States as a world power and gave notice that under the Monroe Doctrine it would exercise its claimed prerogatives in the Western Hemisphere.

Venezuela didn't get Independence from Spain though.

What was the boundary of Venezuela at its founding in 1830?

[zoom rader]

It was part of the US Monroe Doctrine policy in the Western Hemisphere. Venezuela asked USA for help, and USA in turn eventually told them to diplomatically f+ck off and used the old line to give back the British the disputed land.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/venezuela

In 1841 Venezuela disputed the British delineation, claiming territorial delineations established at the time of their independence from Spain. Venezuela claimed its borders extended as far east as the Essequibo River—an effective claim on two-thirds of British Guiana’s territory. When gold was discovered in the disputed territory, Great Britain sought to further extend its reach, claiming an additional 33,000 square miles west of the Schomburgk Line, an area where gold had been discovered. In 1876 Venezuela protested and appealed to the United States for assistance, citing the Monroe Doctrine as justification for U.S. involvement. For the next 19 years Venezuela repeatedly petitioned for U.S. assistance, calling on its neighbor to the north to intervene by either sponsoring arbitration or intervening with force. The United States responded by expressing concern, but did little to facilitate a resolution.

In 1895, invoking the Monroe Doctrine, newly appointed U.S. Secretary of State Richard Olney sent a strongly-worded note to British Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary Lord Salisbury, demanding that the British submit the boundary dispute to arbitration. Salisbury response was that the Monroe Doctrine had no validity as international law. The United States found that response unacceptable and in December 1895, President Grover Cleveland asked Congress for authorization to appoint a boundary commission, proposing that the commission’s findings be enforced “by every means.” Congress passed the measure unanimously and talk of war with Great Britain began to circulate in the U.S. press.

Great Britain, under pressure in South Africa with the Boers and managing an empire that spanned the globe, could ill afford another conflict. Lord Salisbury’s government submitted the dispute to the American boundary commission and said nothing else of the Monroe Doctrine. Venezuela enthusiastically submitted to arbitration, certain that the commission would decide in its favor. However, when the commission finally rendered a decision on October 3, 1899, it directed that the border follow the Schomburgk Line. Although of rejection of Great Britain’s increasingly extravagant claims, the ruling preserved the 1835 demarcation. Disappointed the Venezuelans quietly ratified the commission’s finding. Of far greater significance, the Anglo-Venezuelan boundary dispute incident asserted for the first time a more outward-looking American foreign policy, particularly in the Western Hemisphere. Internationally the incident marked the United States as a world power and gave notice that under the Monroe Doctrine it would exercise its claimed prerogatives in the Western Hemisphere.

Venezuela didn't get Independence from Spain though.

What was the boundary of Venezuela at its founding in 1830?

Total nonsense again

"On July 5, 1811, the independence declaration is signed. That day is celebrated in Venezuela as its national day. On that date formally, through the document "Acta de Declaración de Independencia", Venezuela separates from Spain. The Sociedad Patriótica composed by Simón Bolívar and Francisco de Miranda was the pioneer in the push for Venezuela's separation from the Spanish crown.[1]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_independence

[zoom rader]

123.jpg

Right..........So the US gives lands to Britain to which both don't own .


Carry on

Zoomie: Some people just will not understand because they take info only from one side and most importantly, they do not know the history.

I posted a few days back about the whole history with Gran Colombia and their boundaries, the tribunal in 1899 that Venezuela accepted etc.

If you all still wanna shill for a dictatorship trying to shore up public support domestically based on a "Murica Bad" platform then go ahead. But you do not get to accuse anyone of ignorance.

The history u got is the US & UK history to gaslighting the rest of the English of speaking world.

The entire land sharing out by the US to which they don't own was all corrupted in favor of the British.


But as usual carry on.

Well post valid sources of info citing as such nah.

Until then you are just a shill for a dictator yapping propaganda

Propaganda?

Do research Cont or stay dumb

Rum shop talk as usual from you.
Put up or shut up you skunt

Right......

I guess you don't also know about the Banana wars to control central America and the Spanish speaking Caribbean aswell.


Cont tin u

[Dizzy28]

What happened between 1811 to 1830?

[teems1]

[zoom rader]

Vene not getting anything, illegal deed was done years ago. Lost case , US and ExxonMobil will not allow this to happen

https://youtu.be/WXv4HyVXVDk?si=OQfcJEY0oVL72zck

[triniterribletim]

I constantly see Venezuelans and Guyanese antagonizing each other on Facebook. Even the Surinamese have started to back the Venezuelans because of their own border dispute. The US currently has a detachment here engaging in military exercises in Rondônia and Amazonas in the North of Brazil. Jungle warfare. I expect that if things get testy, Brazil may intervene first and then if there is no resolution, then US SouthCom is going to. I don't think anyone is going to sit on their hands if Venezuela actually tries something. The pendulum also seems to be swinging to the right in South America again, so this may force Maduro's hand, because he won't have as much support if he waits a few years. Especially not if.the political situation in the US changes.

[zoom rader]

What happened between 1811 to 1830?

The freedom of my African brothers and sisters in Venezuela.


Jah bless them vene leaders for doing the right thing and freedom on slavery.

[Dizzy28]

I constantly see Venezuelans and Guyanese antagonizing each other on Facebook. Even the Surinamese have started to back the Venezuelans because of their own border dispute. The US currently has a detachment here engaging in military exercises in Rondônia and Amazonas in the North of Brazil. Jungle warfare. I expect that if things get testy, Brazil may intervene first and then if there is no resolution, then US SouthCom is going to. I don't think anyone is going to sit on their hands if Venezuela actually tries something. The pendulum also seems to be swinging to the right in South America again, so this may force Maduro's hand, because he won't have as much support if he waits a few years. Especially not if.the political situation in the US changes.

Maduro is not right wing.
Socialists are leftists. Far far leftists

[zoom rader]

I constantly see Venezuelans and Guyanese antagonizing each other on Facebook. Even the Surinamese have started to back the Venezuelans because of their own border dispute. The US currently has a detachment here engaging in military exercises in Rondônia and Amazonas in the North of Brazil. Jungle warfare. I expect that if things get testy, Brazil may intervene first and then if there is no resolution, then US SouthCom is going to. I don't think anyone is going to sit on their hands if Venezuela actually tries something. The pendulum also seems to be swinging to the right in South America again, so this may force Maduro's hand, because he won't have as much support if he waits a few years. Especially not if.the political situation in the US changes.

Vene is a lost case.

If no oil in Guyana the US would not give a sĥit

[Dizzy28]

It's funny till it's no longer funny how you are guranteed to be wrong on every post you do.

Dumb as mud!!!!

What happened between 1811 to 1830?

The freedom of my African brothers and sisters in Venezuela.


Jah bless them vene leaders for doing the right thing and freedom on slavery.

[triniterribletim]

I constantly see Venezuelans and Guyanese antagonizing each other on Facebook. Even the Surinamese have started to back the Venezuelans because of their own border dispute. The US currently has a detachment here engaging in military exercises in Rondônia and Amazonas in the North of Brazil. Jungle warfare. I expect that if things get testy, Brazil may intervene first and then if there is no resolution, then US SouthCom is going to. I don't think anyone is going to sit on their hands if Venezuela actually tries something. The pendulum also seems to be swinging to the right in South America again, so this may force Maduro's hand, because he won't have as much support if he waits a few years. Especially not if.the political situation in the US changes.

Maduro is not right wing.
Socialists are leftists. Far far leftists

I know he is not Right wing. Which is why I said he will try to do something now while he still has allies around. With the elections in Argentina, the Right wing is on a resurgent trend. This doesn't bode well for the Puebla Group or the Foro de São Paulo. Either Maduro limits himself to barking and does nothing or he does something and gets smacked down hard.