Stand Your Ground Legislation

[maj. tom]

WRT to Kamla and Gary calling for a "Stand your Ground" law like USA, I believe there already exists in common law in Olde England and since ancient times in many places something called "Castle Doctrine" or the right to protect one's home in self defense. In fact it is from that same common law that USA would have drawn that precedent from while they were part of the British Colonial Empire.

The concept is very ancient and I'm sure it already has written legal case(s) history in Trinidad involving a determination via a jury of peers.

[pugboy]

stand your ground laws are useless here if you the homeowner is unarmed vs several armed bandits
kamala talk a pack with that

[Dizzy28]

Didn't the man who built the home made guillotine for his window in his house somewhere in Marbella make a jail when the bandit hand got chopped off (circa 2001 I believe)

So much for castle

WRT to Kamla and Gary calling for a "Stand your Ground" law like USA, I believe there already exists in common law in Olde England and since ancient times in many places something called "Castle Doctrine" or the right to protect one's home in self defense. In fact it is from that same common law that USA would have drawn that precedent from while they were part of the British Colonial Empire.

The concept is very ancient and I'm sure it already has written legal case(s) history in Trinidad involving a determination via a jury of peers.

[maj. tom]

That's not castle doctrine self defense. That's a booby trap which is illegal for numerous reasons.

[MaxPower]

Again, all this “calling on” XYZ is just wasting time.

We need action.

[MaxPower]

Phone, where yuh.

You was asking for a solution.

[pugboy]

so what about deadly electric fences?

That's not castle doctrine self defense. That's a booby trap which is illegal for numerous reasons.

[j.o.e]

Govt policies we should all be pushing for

Clear and transparent FUL approval policy
Reformed court to clear backlogs
Better use of technology by police
Police should not be doing admin work … hit the streets
Implementation of new license plate to make tracing of criminals easier( no side of the road plate making)
Life sentence for firearm offenses
And others …… no action on these things we voting out yuh mc

[16 cycles]

Teleconference for court appearances?

Or that's been sorted since covid?

[maj. tom]

Electric fences are regulated by the Ministry of Public Utilities, and they have very strict rules on the voltage and current and can't be directly on the mains, must be clearly labeled, etc. They're not a booby trap. Electric fences were really made for livestock to indicate there's an uncrossable barrier when they probe it, not to kill the animals.

[pugboy]

never happen
govt likes to have the power to control the process
which is what the cloak and dagger systems provide, with the excuse of “robust checking and
large backlog”

Govt policies we should all be pushing for

Clear and transparent FUL approval policy
Reformed court to clear backlogs
Better use of technology by police
Police should not be doing admin work … hit the streets
Implementation of new license plate to make tracing of criminals easier( no side of the road plate making)
Life sentence for firearm offenses
And others …… no action on these things we voting out yuh mc

[MaxPower]

Govt policies we should all be pushing for

Clear and transparent FUL approval policy
Reformed court to clear backlogs
Better use of technology by police
Police should not be doing admin work … hit the streets
Implementation of new license plate to make tracing of criminals easier( no side of the road plate making)
Life sentence for firearm offenses
And others …… no action on these things we voting out yuh mc

j.o.e,

Fantastic suggestions except the first one. As i said many times, that is not a good idea based on our culture. You and i both know if that ever happens, in no time will it go back to how it was.

[j.o.e]

Govt policies we should all be pushing for

Clear and transparent FUL approval policy
Reformed court to clear backlogs
Better use of technology by police
Police should not be doing admin work … hit the streets
Implementation of new license plate to make tracing of criminals easier( no side of the road plate making)
Life sentence for firearm offenses
And others …… no action on these things we voting out yuh mc

j.o.e,

Fantastic suggestions except the first one. As i said many times, that is not a good idea based on our culture. You and i both know if that ever happens, in no time will it go back to how it was.

Max you can be for or against FUL the point is it should be clear and transparent. A list of the requirements….. it’s either you make it or not. Not a bribing and guessing game

[pugboy]

yeah max
don’t blurt out statements based on emotions or what your opinion is of trinis
be clear and rational

[aaron17]

Is bess they ban nuclear weapons..steups

[paid_influencer]

Govt policies we should all be pushing for

Clear and transparent FUL approval policy
Reformed court to clear backlogs
Better use of technology by police
Police should not be doing admin work … hit the streets
Implementation of new license plate to make tracing of criminals easier( no side of the road plate making)
Life sentence for firearm offenses
And others …… no action on these things we voting out yuh mc

the policy we should be pushing for is "removal of hinds"

and after that pepper spray. before even. pepper spray needs to be real and available and everywhere to support defenseless citizens

[redmanjp]

both political parties advocating 1 of 2 extremes- the 1 in power doh want ppl arming themselves legally, the other want ppl shooting down simple mango thief (Stand Your Ground laws).
ttps need to increase the staff and resources and of course not put arbitrary limits on how many ppl can get FULs once they have past the required background checks. and to really have a good chance of defending yourself, at least 2 adults per house need to have a gun.

[maj. tom]

That's not what Stand Your Ground means, nor did the Opposition or anyone in fact ever state anything like killing someone for a mango, but rather a home invasion inside your house.

“Home invasions do not encompass trespassing in your yard to steal zabocas or mangoes; it does not mean you are entitled to kill someone who entered your gallery or porch. But once the bandits enters your house you should be entitled in law to kill the intruder, and reasonable force should not be an issue for such a killing.”

But obviously the theory can never work here because the FUL situation is already such a corrupt deliberatly unsolvable mess.

[aaron17]

Well if they coming for u and ur valuables....we might as well be ded...unless we have a fighting chance.
Also compliance does not make u Scott free.

[pugboy]

sgt say when the bandits leaving you cannot harm them as they are no longer a threat, wave them goodbye and wish them well

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 307cf.html

[wing]

sgt say when the bandits leaving you cannot harm them as they are no longer a threat, wave them goodbye and wish them well

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 307cf.html

Did you read the article? The Sgt was merely quoting the law as it stands. It's up to the politicians and judiciary to effect the change. Stupid comments don't really bring about the change. As a victim of violent crime, I can certainly relate to the feeling of vengeance against the perpetrators but if you want to live in a democratic society, you have to be able to stand the consequences, good or bad. Otherwise, sharia law for it...

[pugboy]

of course i read the article

it is unfortunate for a cop to make a statement like that no matter how legally correct it is though
you have to look at the big picture, a statement like that infuriates the victims and empowers the bandits even more
so guess who wins and continues to laugh

govt aint changing no law otherwise they would have done that a long time ago
they are not interested in pissing off their voters
in the last few months 99% of the bandits caught are from the same places in east pos, up to last night a next cop from south said that

sgt say when the bandits leaving you cannot harm them as they are no longer a threat, wave them goodbye and wish them well

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 307cf.html

Did you read the article? The Sgt was merely quoting the law as it stands. It's up to the politicians and judiciary to effect the change. Stupid comments don't really bring about the change. As a victim of violent crime, I can certainly relate to the feeling of vengeance against the perpetrators but if you want to live in a democratic society, you have to be able to stand the consequences, good or bad. Otherwise, sharia law for it...

[maj. tom]

This is how I'm confused about Kamla making noise about Stand Your Ground.

Castle Doctrine is already pretty much defined and it's very ancient law, set even before the Norman invasion of England. And the right to defend your home passed on and on into every aspect of British civilization across the world. The popularity of it in USA is associated with cowboy and "small town" fantasies because they have the right to bear arms. Trinidad citizens not having legal access to firearms due to corrupt politics, which is never going to change, makes me think Kamla on a whole lot of noisy political bullsheit regarding this issue. What she pushing exactly? Stand your ground with a piece of 2x4 shaped like a bat against AR-15s? The problem is not this law at all. It's organized gangs, guns coming through the ports and violent crime because of these guns. It's corruption.

Home invasions also happen in UK and the same law is applied the same way in a case by case basis of the decisions of the DPP and eventually a jury if it comes to that.

[paid_influencer]

hopefully she at least makes pepper spray available to ordinary young female workers who have to travel'

whatever legislation it have right now clearly not working

[paid_influencer]

sgt say when the bandits leaving you cannot harm them as they are no longer a threat, wave them goodbye and wish them well

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 307cf.html

Did you read the article? The Sgt was merely quoting the law as it stands. It's up to the politicians and judiciary to effect the change. Stupid comments don't really bring about the change. As a victim of violent crime, I can certainly relate to the feeling of vengeance against the perpetrators but if you want to live in a democratic society, you have to be able to stand the consequences, good or bad. Otherwise, sharia law for it...

wing playing comment police on tuner, but deep down wing knows that if unc come into power "they going to give people of a certain race gun (sic) to shoot people of another race"

wing not calling that a chupid comment, because wing knows it is true

[pugboy]

oops, i forgot the political bias aspect

[alfa]

This is how I'm confused about Kamla making noise about Stand Your Ground.

Castle Doctrine is already pretty much defined and it's very ancient law, set even before the Norman invasion of England. And the right to defend your home passed on and on into every aspect of British civilization across the world. The popularity of it in USA is associated with cowboy and "small town" fantasies because they have the right to bear arms. Trinidad citizens not having legal access to firearms due to corrupt politics, which is never going to change, makes me think Kamla on a whole lot of noisy political bullsheit regarding this issue. What she pushing exactly? Stand your ground with a piece of 2x4 shaped like a bat against AR-15s? The problem is not this law at all. It's organized gangs, guns coming through the ports and violent crime because of these guns. It's corruption.

Home invasions also happen in UK and the same law is applied the same way in a case by case basis of the decisions of the DPP and eventually a jury if it comes to that.

I think Heinz and Rowley are trying to paint stand your ground and self defense add two separate entities. Heinz said we already have self defence laws and there's no need for stand your ground thus making it seem as though this law allows you to kill anyone on your property once you believe that have nefarious intents. The man is an idiot but he was a lawyer after all, so too kamla so I think we need clarification on what our local laws actually allow and what it classifies as stand your ground

[pugboy]

they dont want it clarified otherwise it will show that even if you could defend your abode you cant since all you could use is a slingshot and hence more motives for legal arming of citizens
arming citizens would make it look like they giving in to the opposition

govts always prefer things to be unclear to avoid having to do things which would make the opposition right

[Kickstart]

they dont want it clarified otherwise it will show that even if you could defend your abode you cant since all you could use is a slingshot and hence more motives for legal arming of citizens
arming citizens would make it look like they giving in to the opposition

govts always prefer things to be unclear to avoid having to do things which would make the opposition right

Non PNM citizens are at the hands of PNM criminals

[Rovin]

sgt say when the bandits leaving you cannot harm them as they are no longer a threat, wave them goodbye and wish them well

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 307cf.html

it have ways to get around that, say u thought he pointed what appeared to be a firearm in ur direction while running away & u felt as if ur life was in imminent danger so u tried to defend urself ... zander said stuff along those lines b4 on tv


officer in that meeting sounded sincere with him saying d problems they have - in this day\age with crime being so rampant some stations still dont even have sufficient vehicles, manpower & equipment yet for decades d min of nat sec gets d biggest chunk of d budget after min of education but u just dont see a regular police patrol presence to give sense of feeling safe ...