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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby aaron17 » February 28th, 2022, 7:31 am

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Postby daxt0r » February 28th, 2022, 7:44 am

condolonces to the family.
Setta PNM dunce, when yuh look at that Nancis fella allyuh could see is corruption on he face, is like ah permanent expression of "ah reach so is my time to eat now". Such incompetence at a grand scale, where are the procedure manuals, the contigency and emergency SOPs, where is OSH.
Me eh know oil and gas, but in basic basic electrical training they teach you about doing lockouts and enforcing thru physical and documented means that ALL interactions are safe, and even then you are trained of various scenarios that can occur. Is it that in oil and gas they have no OSH or MOPs to govern safe operation?
Drownin ent ah nice way to go at all, dem fellas family need to find out who flip that switch an wipe out he/she & entire family as god know under this PNM government it will just get coverup as the PMs best friends doh care about these kinda plebs so it have no restitution to be had. Just like the thousands of victims to the PNM crime plan.
Newman take 48 hours to even say somethin much less begin any rescue/recovery effort, probably was wining an jammin in a pod an most upset he had to come deal with this unimportant mess.
RIP bros

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby timelapse » February 28th, 2022, 8:04 am

AbstractPoetic wrote:What really angers me the most is that these men were screaming for their lives, divers were available to help, but Paria site managers prevented a rescue and the help of the Coast Guard. Now they want to flush them out, breaking apart their bodies. Blood on all their hands. This won't be the end of it.

st7 wrote:PEA would do anything to be relevant oui


If it wasn't for PEA and his team, this would not have been widely publicized. PEA may have his political motives, but he was on the scene since Friday.

And if you're going to call out PEA, also call out Stuart Young who randomly made a presence on behalf of the government, but did NOTHING to help escalate the situation. The media also lied about Paria providing help when it was actually fellow divers who intervened to try and rescue as many as they could. The family members have been camped out for over 72 hours, and local businessmen and PEA has helped in sponsoring food, drinks, tables, chairs and portable bathrooms for those desperately seeking answers.
Exactly.People who want to politicize PEA need to understand, regardless of what his intentions are, he is there.Front and present.Where was everybody else? Playing golf in Tobago?

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Chimera » February 28th, 2022, 8:05 am

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 1362751814


Not sure is posted already.

Not sure how to embed either.

Thats the fella who rescue one of the trapped men.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Chimera » February 28th, 2022, 8:07 am

Seems like the board of directors didn't know what the firetruck to do. No one wanted to give orders to allow more divers to go and probably risk themselves. And it seems like Colin piper is the one who suppose to make the decision?

Hit him 4 charge of involuntary manslaughter and disband the whole board yes

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Redman » February 28th, 2022, 8:09 am

Well this is some real crap.

For them to be able to enter the habitat the conditions had to be within safety parameters.

What changed?
What caused the change?

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby pugboy » February 28th, 2022, 8:20 am

how come no details of how the 36" pipe configured
vertically, horizontally ?
there is mention of some capping of the pipe work

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby aaron17 » February 28th, 2022, 8:54 am

rel stupidness goin on..every second counts for the divers..and they take over 50 hours to formulate a plan?

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby K74T » February 28th, 2022, 8:54 am

“FIGHT FOR LIFE”

Christopher Boodram lived because he was the last man to be pulled into the darkness of the undersea pipeline.

And also because rescuers, disregarding orders from “officials” to stay away from the site, went down to get him.

What Boodram endured, and what he heard before he made it out three hours later, his family now fears for his sanity.

Boodram spent those hours dragging himself along inside the crude oil-coated 36-inch wide pipeline, pushed along by one of the men.

That man did not make it.

From his hospital bed, Boodram told relatives that as they tried to stay alive in the toxic air pockets at the top of the flooded pipeline, he called on the others to pray to God, and that Jesus would be their saviour.

The last thing he heard before he got out were their screams.

Boodram, 36, is a father of three living at Isaac Street, Pointe-a-Pierre. He has been a diver for more than ten years.

His brother, Larry, told the Express last evening: “Christopher is in a stable condition now. He had no broken bones or fractures. Our concern is how long he spent down there, and the toxic air he breathed in, and how it may affect his lungs, years from now.”

Of greatest concern, Larry Boodram said, was his brother’s mental health.

“He communicated with the other divers under there in the darkness. He knows one was right behind him. He has been asking us, if they came out. We have been limiting that information, because every time he thinks about it, he is breaking down.”

‘A Delta P event’

From what Boodram has shared with family, sometime between 2.30 p.m. and 3 p.m. on Friday he was inside the a “dry habitat”, about 25 feet underwater at Berth 6, off Paria’s Trading Company Ltd’s Pointe-a-Pierre facility, completing the repair job on a flange of the pipeline, when it happened.

There was a sudden rush of water into the area they were operating, sucking them into the pipeline along with their scuba tanks and the other gear.

What happened is called a Delta P event, where water from one area rushes in to fill another. The pressure difference draws divers in and makes escape almost impossible.

Boodram was the last to be sucked in.

How far he went into the pipeline with the other men, he does not know.

He told his brother that the men, some of whom were seriously injured by the force of the suction, were alive in the darkness of the pipeline, and that they breathed from air pockets and shared air from the oxygen tanks to stay alive, while banging on the inside of the pipe to attract attention.

According to his brother: “Christopher asked the people with him to pray to Jesus, that we will come out, that everybody we will get out of it, and those men were praying out loud.”

The man who helped him get back was the dive team leader Fyzal Kurban, 57, who is also his relative. Kurban is still missing.

The Express was told that Kurban shared his oxygen with Boodram and kept pushing him along the pipeline towards the hole into which they were sucked.

“When Christopher came out (into the habitat), there were nobody behind him, but he knew someone was close. He was hearing the screaming and the gasping,” the brother said.

Meanwhile, on the surface, when teammates realised that the men were in trouble, a distress call went out.

Oilfield service boats in the vicinity began converging on Berth 6.

The Express was told that there were divers with the equipment to do a rescue, but they were prevented from going into the water by safety officers on site.

Among those who came to the location was Kurban’s son, Nicholas, who contacted Ronald Ramoutar, the brother-in-law of Kurban.

Trapped inside the pipeline

Ramoutar, a certified diver, was the first to enter the water off Pointe-a-Pierre in search of the men on Friday.

Ramoutar said he received a distress call from his nephew Nicholas Kurban that his father appeared to be trapped inside a pipeline along with four others.

“I work with him as a diver with a company in Port of Spain and I was on my way home when he called on Friday. I arrived at Pointe-a-Pierre at 5.30 p.m. and found my nephew there. I prepared myself and along with another person, Cory, we were about to go into the water when officials from Paria came and stopped us. They said we were not to enter the water. I looked at my nephew and Cory and disregarded that order. I dived into the water in search of them,” he said.

Ramoutar said he spotted a man covered in a thick oil slick attempting to get to the surface. Boodram had already dragged himself out of the pipeline and was struggling to get to out.

“The oil was so thick he could not see anything. We managed to get him to the habitat and gave him a tank. He shouted that Fyzal was right behind him and we should go back for him. We went back in but we did not see anyone else. We found Fyzal’s tank and it was empty,” he said.

In a telephone interview with the Express, Ramoutar said they returned to the surface with Boodram, who appeared to be shaken by the ordeal. He had been underwater since 2.30 p.m. that day, knocking the pipeline and calling for help.

“Christopher said we have to go back for Fyzal and we were gearing up to dive again when Paria officials came again and stopped us. This time they instructed the T&T Coast Guard to block us from entering. The officers were armed and we had to follow instructions but they could have saved those men right then,” he said.

Boodram told the men that the others suffered injuries, possibly broken limbs, when they were sucked in.

“He said he was the last to go in and he did not have a lot of injuries but he knew the others were badly hurt. But they were alive when he was there. They were screaming for help and we were told that people outside were hearing them. But nobody went in,” he said.

‘This is outrageous’

Ramoutar said by 7 p.m. on Friday a fully equipped dive team arrived at the site ready to go into the water.

“Paria again said we needed a permit to dive and since then we have been waiting. I cannot understand why that could not have been waived since this was an emergency,” he said.

Ramoutar said, 48 hours later, the management of Paria was preparing to commence a recovery operation on Sunday night.

“We had all of the equipment, the experienced divers and all precautions were taken. We could have gone down there on Friday night and rescued those men. This is outrageous,” he said.

Boodram’s brother Larry agreed that Friday night rescue attempt could have given the missing men a chance.

“I am a diver also, and I could think of ten different ways we could have saved lives. Send an air line in, send a diver in with a tether and communications and air. Leave spare tanks so they could breathe. Instead, they left these men, and turned everyone away,” he said.

Christopher Boodram is being treated at the San Fernando General Hospital. Doctors have assessed that he does not need to be treated in a bariatric chamber, but his respiratory system needs to be closely monitored.

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/fight-for-life/article_dc596dba-9839-11ec-8233-73d61ffafc30.html

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby 16 cycles » February 28th, 2022, 8:59 am

if you not sure what caused the original persons to get sucked into the pipe - it would be ill advised to send more divers in the area....

more than a few ppl have lost their lives in similar confined space entry for poisonous gas....i.e. rescue teams rush in and suffer the same fate as those who just perished.

echoing what was said above - a rescue plan should have already been in place prior to start of operation and enacted as soon as this occurred.

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Postby aaron17 » February 28th, 2022, 9:00 am

Take this post as alleged..:

Ppl rel talking about conspiracy....
maybe they hiding something rel bad and they don't want it to uncover it...corruption, illegal practices etc?
Man get covid so they would not let him talk?

Jus take this post as conspiracy.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby timelapse » February 28th, 2022, 9:03 am

#boycottparia

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Redman » February 28th, 2022, 9:03 am

So somebody flip the switch, then flip it back?

Conditions changed at least 2x

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Postby aaron17 » February 28th, 2022, 9:06 am

16 cycles wrote:if you not sure what caused the original persons to get sucked into the pipe - it would be ill advised to send more divers in the area....

more than a few ppl have lost their lives in similar confined space entry for poisonous gas....i.e. rescue teams rush in and suffer the same fate as those who just perished.

echoing what was said above - a rescue plan should have already been in place prior to start of operation and enacted as soon as this occurred.


I am no expert but is there a way to stop pressurizing the line within that timeframe or would it take hours to do?

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Cantmis » February 28th, 2022, 9:12 am

Hope the permit package is solid, otherwise this could flip so easy in the investigation!
Always read the fine print !

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Postby Redman » February 28th, 2022, 9:14 am

aaron17 wrote:
16 cycles wrote:if you not sure what caused the original persons to get sucked into the pipe - it would be ill advised to send more divers in the area....

more than a few ppl have lost their lives in similar confined space entry for poisonous gas....i.e. rescue teams rush in and suffer the same fate as those who just perished.

echoing what was said above - a rescue plan should have already been in place prior to start of operation and enacted as soon as this occurred.


I am no expert but is there a way to stop pressurizing the line within that timeframe or would it take hours to do?


I would guess that for one of the divers to be able to escape, the pressure issue would have been resolved, or resolved itself.

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Postby 16 cycles » February 28th, 2022, 9:36 am

^ not necessarily and the ones who went in before may have formed a plug (or minimized the pressure differential) to allow the last one in to be rescued.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby mero » February 28th, 2022, 9:42 am

Sad stuff, hope the family gets all the answers and finds peace.

Lost a good diver friend Chevonne Bartholomew in 2018 of Clifton beach. Family still ain't recover

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Postby aaron17 » February 28th, 2022, 10:02 am

"..........the operation has moved from rescue to recovery"..smh rip

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby pugboy » February 28th, 2022, 10:12 am

seems the 36” pipe opening was at 25ft below and covered by the habitat and somehow water got in under habitat and sucked into the pipe which they say ran down to 45ft deep

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Postby alfa » February 28th, 2022, 10:24 am

Cantmis wrote:Hope the permit package is solid, otherwise this could flip so easy in the investigation!
Always read the fine print !

The recent permit system they launched involves three signatures, the last being the performing authority who is the actual person doing the work and all the blame is thrown on him once everything else is signed and checked off

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Postby aaron17 » February 28th, 2022, 10:24 am

Would an international country responded much better to save them in time?

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby KM_2NR » February 28th, 2022, 10:30 am

What ballpark salary these guys making? Hope the family get a big pay out

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Postby aaron17 » February 28th, 2022, 10:33 am

I hear they refused international help....

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby AbstractPoetic » February 28th, 2022, 10:37 am

What nonsense is this press conference by Stuart Young???

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Postby aaron17 » February 28th, 2022, 10:44 am

16 cycles wrote:^ not necessarily and the ones who went in before may have formed a plug (or minimized the pressure differential) to allow the last one in to be rescued.
Soo...to me it sounds like 3 days after they now managed to stop the pressure of it..steups.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Toyopet » February 28th, 2022, 10:48 am

I have heard that the pipeline was in fact capped well after the fact.
If this is true, Paria basically sealed the tomb on these 4 divers.

pugboy wrote:how come no details of how the 36" pipe configured
vertically, horizontally ?
there is mention of some capping of the pipe work

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby bluefete » February 28th, 2022, 10:57 am

Stuart Young come on TV with one sad face to talk a pack of shrite.

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