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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby pugboy » February 27th, 2022, 10:21 am

seems like they don’t know what to do
so guess they leaving them in there

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby The_Honourable » February 27th, 2022, 10:36 am

Only late last night the pumps reach


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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Les Bain » February 27th, 2022, 10:41 am

Someone I know was venting. In polite terms they say that the statements being released to the media is hot air and the recovery isn't being given the priority it should.

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Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby MaxPower » February 27th, 2022, 10:51 am

goalpost wrote:So, what could cause this. A valve was opened causing the suction? Who controls the valve? Paria employees in a control room?


Someone was careless and irresponsible as usual….more than likely distracted or fatigued with the festivities.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » February 27th, 2022, 11:03 am

Is the magnitude of the cover up that's troubling

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Redman » February 27th, 2022, 11:03 am

I seem to remember HEARING about a very similar incident inTrinmar, a.worker lost part of his foot, because someone flicked a switch.
We need to ask Ancil.
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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby shogun » February 27th, 2022, 11:08 am

The_Honourable wrote:Only late last night the pumps reach


^The hell


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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Chimera » February 27th, 2022, 11:09 am

Les Bain wrote:Someone I know was venting. In polite terms they say that the statements being released to the media is hot air and the recovery isn't being given the priority it should.
A padna of mine who is part of the "rescue" effort said up to last night they honestly don't know what to do. They didn't have a solid plan up to last night.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby pugboy » February 27th, 2022, 11:16 am

i guess the motivation to send divers in is no longer there either given the time past

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby The_Honourable » February 27th, 2022, 12:13 pm

'They are still inside the pipe'

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This is the location of the tragedy at Berth 6, Pointe a Pierre

A second morning has dawned, and the four underwater welders sucked into a crude oil pipieline in the waters off Pointe a Pierre, are yet to be recovered.

As of 8a.m today, relatives keeping vigil at the gates to the Paria Fuel Trading Company, told the Express they had no new information, and no official from the company was with them to provide any.

During the night, a large water pump was rented and trucked into the compound, to be taken to to sea and used to flush the pipeline before an attempt was made to get the men.

Instead, relatives say they were told the cable snapped while the crane was lifting the pump at the site, stalling the rescue effort.

"They are still inside the pipe" a relative said.

The men are somewhere inside a 36-inch diameter pipeline that is more than a kilometre long.

The families told the Express that a WhatsApp group chat was formed that involved Energy Minister Stuart Young, and senior company officials in order to keep relatives updated.

However, they were not being given any information, a relative told the Express this morning.

“A woman (involved in communicating with the families) has been hoggish and disrespectful to us. She tells she will put out something at 8.30p.m and we can read it then” a relative said.

The parents, siblings, children and wives of the men spent the night in a shed outside Paria’s headquarters, kept company by members of the Oilfield Workers Trade Union.

“It is the union giving us support. They brought us food, toilets, tables…Where is Paria?” a relative said.

A protest over the treatment being meted out to the families, and the response from Paria to the tragedy, is being planned for this morning.

Paria's last update on the progress of the recovery effort, was at 3p.m. Saturday.

This is an update to the original report, HERE

While the country awaits confirmation of the inevitable, Energy Minister Stuart Young has gone to the Pointe a Pierre facilities of the Paria Fuel Trading Company Limited, to be briefed on the horror involving a team of underwater welders.

In a social media post, Young, who returned from a trip abroad on Friday night, said he was meeting with the families of the four divers sucked into a 36-inch crude oil pipeline, and who have not been seen since Friday afternoon.

The missing men have been identified as Fyzal Kurban, Rishi Nagassar, Yusuf Henry, and Kazim Ali Jr.

The survivor was named as Christopher Boodram.

The men only had scuba tanks when they were pulled into the undersea pipeline in the Gulf of Paria, after 3p.m Friday.

The only way the men could still be alive is if they encountered a pocket of breathable air.

The air in the pipeline is toxic.

A scuba diver can stay underwater for about an hour before running out of air.

It has been almost 24 hours since the men were pulled into the pipe.

Paria has issued only one statement on the incident, at 9.04p.m. Friday.

Since then the company has not updated citizens on the search and rescue operation.

The company is being asked by the relatives of the missing men to explain in detail the standard operating procedures (SOP) adopted for the project.

The company is also being asked to explain how a vacuum could have been created in the pipeline if all the machinery was supposed to be shut down and only restarted after the job was completed and certified.

People on the scene of the incident say the men were working on a seapipe at Berth 6, off Paria's west coast facility, when they were sucked into the pipeline.

Within an hour, a diver rescue team, involving the relatives of some of the men, went into the water in search of the men.

One, Christopher Boodram, was found about 50 feet into the pipe, and was pulled out alive.

Boodram, who suffered multiple bruises and other injuries, is now being treated in a hyperbaric chamber of a hospital.

A borescope, a camera used to access tight spaces, has since been inserted into the pipeline.

The camera only spotted scuba tanks, the Express was told.

The diameter of an average water barrel is 23 inches. The pipeline is 36 inches in diameter.

The missing men and the survivor are employed with LMCS Limited, a San Fernando based company that provides project management, engineering design, procurement and construction services, inclusive of diving-related underwater services and marine logistics support.

The company is owned by Kazim Ali.

His son, Kazim Ali Jr, is among the missing.

They could have been saved

At the site, there is rage mixed with heartbreak.

Relatives say not enough was done by Paria to save the men, and it was left up to their relatives to mount a rescue operation that saved one.

The Express was told that the maintenance job was almost completed shortly after 3p.m. Friday when the unthinkable happened.

When the distress call went out, the son of the dive team leader Fyzal Kurban, 56, heard it on the radio. The son, who is also a diver, was out at sea on a vessel when he heard.

He came to the scene to be told that his father and the others had not surfaced for half an hour. He began mobilising relatives and friend (all underwater divers) to come to the site, the Express was told.

When they dived to the underwater pipeline, they heard pounding, from inside, and went 50 feet, as far as his dive umbilical could take him, the Express was told.

It was there he encountered one of the men, covered in oil. The survivor could not be immediately pulled to the surface, so a second driver was summoned to help.

Relatives are claiming that even then, other members of the missing dive team were alive, since rescuers were hearing pounding "moans and gasps" from within the pipeline, which is about 1,200 feet long and extends from the berth out at sea, to the shore.

However, the rescue divers say they were prevented from going back into the pipeline because it would be in breach of health and safety protocols.

“They were willing to do it” a relative told the Express.

In the meantime, family members have been told that an operation is underway to pump the pipeline dry before going in search of the missing men.

The Express was told that there was no attempt by Coast Guard divers to go into the pipeline.

Family members have also dismissed the "briefing" their received from Minister Young on Saturday afternoon, in which he told that that every that could be done, was being done, to get the trapped four out of the pipeline.

What needed to be done, relatives say, was to give permission to willing and experienced divers to go in search of the men.

At 3p.m. Paria issued only its second update on the tragedy.

The company stated: Paria Fuel Trading Company Limited (Paria) continues the operation with respect to the four missing LMCS Limited contractors following an incident yesterday.

The contractors went missing while conducting an underwater maintenance exercise at #36 Sealine riser on Berth #6 at Paria, Pointe-a-Pierre on Friday 25th February 2022.

LMCS Limited is a service company contracted by Paria with over 30 years of experience in engineering design, procurement, marine construction, and land construction services, inclusive of diving-related underwater services and marine logistics support. The divers who were engaged in this operation are all certified and have a total of over 30 years’ experience among them.

The immediate response to the incident included the mobilization of experienced rescue teams to work with Paria in their efforts to search for the missing men whilst ensuring the safety of the personnel present.

Operational scenarios were risk assessed and implemented and included the use of Remotely Operated Vehicles (RoVs) and other technology. The Trinidad and Tobago Coast Guard and other subject matter experts were in support of this operation. All stakeholders continue to work assiduously in this support of this activity.

Paria has also engaged the counselling service provider PEAPSL to be on standby to support of families and employees.

Paria will work with LMCS Limited to address this situation.

Source: https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/t ... a9980.html

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby timelapse » February 27th, 2022, 12:33 pm

I reading this and want to go and planasse some of them bureaucrats

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby The_Honourable » February 27th, 2022, 12:36 pm

Protest at point-a-pierre




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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby The_Honourable » February 27th, 2022, 2:46 pm

Weeping families plead with Paria for answers

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The families of the missing underwater welders protesting outside Paria's facility in Pointe a Pierre on Sunday.

The grieving wives, parents and children of the four missing underwater welders spent Sunday morning pleading with the management of Paria Fuel Trading Company Limited for information on what happened to their loved ones and when they could expect to see them again.

Supported by members of the Oilfield Workers Trade Union (OWTU) the family members staged a protest outside the company's gates in Pointe-a-Pierre at 8am, when the company had promised to give an update on the search and rescue mission.

The women, in tears, held up placards and chanted "Come out your office, Paria, We want some answers. Our children want answers".

One placard read, "Paria, No Human Rights. Our Lives Matter".

The families held an overnight vigil at the site, huddled in tents provided by the OWTU. They lighted candles and prayed for the men's safe return.

The protest, however, ended when police officers arrived at around 11am. The officers ordered that the family members practice social distancing or disperse.

Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) leader David Abdulah, who spent the night with the families, said he was not surprised by the company's lack of response.

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The families of the missing underwater welders protesting outside Paria's facility in Pointe a Pierre on Sunday.

In a media interview, Abdulah said the Paria refused to act on credible evidence that the divers were trapped under the sea and could have been saved on Friday afternoon.

He said, "We are seeing policies are being put in practice before people. So they boast about the profits of Paria and Heritage and we may dispute that but they putting profits before people. There is an issue of the failure of systems that happened here on Friday afternoon and I am not going into technical issues. But there was failure, bureaucracy and all kinds of dotishness that could have saved these lives on Friday afternoon. There could have been more effort to save the lives and rescue those four divers who were still trapped somewhere under the sea. There is credible evidence that there were divers and vessels and equipment on spot within an hour of the incident on Friday afternoon."

Abdulah said he was disgusted that the company allowed these families to stand outside in the rain waiting for word on their loved ones.

"There was total disrespect for the families of those missing. There is as absolute absence of proper communications, an absolute absence of providing proper facilities for the families to wait on getting news of their loved ones," he said.

OWTU president general Ancel Roget last night condemned the response of Paria Fuel Trading Company Limited. He called for humanity to prevail and for the families to be treated as human beings. "They are returning operations to normal out there, berthing the ships, it is all about making themselves look good in an operation that should not have taken place out there in the first place. You should not have had people in charge of such a complex operation," he said.

The five-member - Christopher Boodram, Rishi Nagassar, Yusuff Henry, Fyzal Kurban and Kazim Ali Jr - were sucked into a 36-inch pipeline during maintenance operation on Friday afternoon. Boodram was rescued.

The men and survivor are employed with LMSC Limited, a San Fernando based company that provides project management, engineering design, procurement and construction services inclusive of diving-related underwater services and marine logistics support.

Source: https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/w ... 4721c.html

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » February 27th, 2022, 3:13 pm

Right now is real bachannal down there. From big boy lawyers delivering letters to CEO of Paria, owtu protesting and people with no clue as to how/when the rescue operation should begin.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby The_Honourable » February 27th, 2022, 3:39 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Right now is real bachannal down there. From big boy lawyers delivering letters to CEO of Paria, owtu protesting and people with no clue as to how/when the rescue operation should begin.


Wait till people find out that the Board of Directors (most) of Paria have zero qualifications in oil & gas/energy matters.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby gastly369 » February 27th, 2022, 3:49 pm

The_Honourable wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Right now is real bachannal down there. From big boy lawyers delivering letters to CEO of Paria, owtu protesting and people with no clue as to how/when the rescue operation should begin.


Wait till people find out that the Board of Directors (most) of Paria have zero qualifications in oil & gas/energy matters.
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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby goalpost » February 27th, 2022, 4:11 pm

Seriously tho, how is it 48 hrs later and these guys haven't been found. Paria & LMCS had no emergency response plan at all. This is sickening.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby The_Honourable » February 27th, 2022, 5:25 pm

So it seems NOBODY on Paria board have oil and gas experience


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Postby supercharged turbo » February 27th, 2022, 5:35 pm

Another release
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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby pugboy » February 27th, 2022, 5:57 pm

always the same setta words

“exploring options”
“following protocols”
“working closely”

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Postby Toyopet » February 27th, 2022, 6:16 pm

You see the phrase "fell into the pipe".....that will be the framework for the shift in liability.

I fail to see how they expect people to believe that 5 grown men simply fell into a 30" hole, but I guess all they need are the correct people to believe it.

pugboy wrote:always the same setta words

“exploring options”
“following protocols”
“working closely”

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby bluefete » February 27th, 2022, 6:16 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Right now is real bachannal down there. From big boy lawyers delivering letters to CEO of Paria, owtu protesting and people with no clue as to how/when the rescue operation should begin.


Shakes: I have never seen such massive incompetence in a state agency in my life.

The tragedy is that the families of these men have lost so many other family members in the past year.

Stuart Young and company playing politics with dead men.

But these men are the sacrificial lambs for Rowley's wickedness in closing Petrotrin.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby pugboy » February 27th, 2022, 6:28 pm

sad that they using the first man rescued to word things strategically

Toyopet wrote:You see the phrase "fell into the pipe".....that will be the framework for the shift in liability.

I fail to see how they expect people to believe that 5 grown men simply fell into a 30" hole, but I guess all they need are the correct people to believe it.

pugboy wrote:always the same setta words

“exploring options”
“following protocols”
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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby VII » February 27th, 2022, 6:43 pm

Wait nah that's not the same people with the hotel in South ? They probably met plenty oil industry guests and facilitated a few meetings seminars etc and thought they'd give it a shot .

The_Honourable wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Right now is real bachannal down there. From big boy lawyers delivering letters to CEO of Paria, owtu protesting and people with no clue as to how/when the rescue operation should begin.


Wait till people find out that the Board of Directors (most) of Paria have zero qualifications in oil & gas/energy matters.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby K74T » February 27th, 2022, 6:46 pm

VII wrote:Wait nah that's not the same people with the hotel in South ? They probably met plenty oil industry guests and facilitated a few meetings seminars etc and thought they'd give it a shot .

The_Honourable wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Right now is real bachannal down there. From big boy lawyers delivering letters to CEO of Paria, owtu protesting and people with no clue as to how/when the rescue operation should begin.


Wait till people find out that the Board of Directors (most) of Paria have zero qualifications in oil & gas/energy matters.
Not the same people...you mixing it up with Paria Suites

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby AbstractPoetic » February 27th, 2022, 7:11 pm

It' time for PNM to leave office. This is unacceptable and the family should sue. Its quite apparent someone is covering up.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby bluefete » February 27th, 2022, 7:15 pm

AbstractPoetic wrote:It' time for PNM to leave office. This is unacceptable and the family should sue. Its quite apparent someone is covering up.


AP: Don't bite the hand the feeds you. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

But seriously, the government is operating true to form. Dr. Rowley said his is a government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich.

His policies are for the rich to get richer.

Poor people be damned. And these divers are poor people.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby bluefete » February 27th, 2022, 7:30 pm

Paria Fuel- Board of Directors

Chairman - NEWMAN GEORGE - (Rowley's lawyer)

FAYAD ALI

AVIE CHADEE

PETER CLARKE

EUSTACE NANCIS

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Rory Phoulorie » February 27th, 2022, 7:36 pm

Newman George is the husband of the Speaker of the House. It is she who is the lawyer, though not Rowley’s own (I think his lawyer is Michael Quamina).

As far as I know, Newman George is a civil engineer by education.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » February 27th, 2022, 7:38 pm

AbstractPoetic wrote:It' time for PNM to leave office. This is unacceptable and the family should sue. Its quite apparent someone is covering up.


A few letters were sent today. Dbu, everything will come out soon

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