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Redress10 wrote:Habit7 wrote:88sins wrote:So, you have never set yourself a lofty goal, knowing that you might never achieve it 100% but also knowing that if you did achieve at least 80% you'd be ok with the fact that you tried and did see some gains, even if is not all the gains you wanted & thought you could have when you started?
Like they wash this one brains with raw bleach & concentrated soap, no water in d mix at all, not even a rinse off he get
Nothing is wrong with setting a lofty goal. We are always improving upon agriculture in the country. But when we set a lofty goal of self-sustainability (which is an embellishment) and you say the govt has done a damn thing since 1956 for agriculture (which is another embellishment) where are we really going?
The goal is a free market, where ppl can do what they legally want to earn money. The govt can incentivise some areas that they see as a priority but it is up to the citizens to take the risk. Agriculture has been incentivised and prioritised but it is up to us as citizens to take the risk. The average Trini, if they get $1-3M will invest it in real estate, not agriculture. Hence the former workers of Caroni have invested their payouts in real estate and not so much in the very agricultural sector they are from.timelapse wrote:Here's facts
Manning basically said back in his day that he DGAF about agriculture and the environment as long as there is oil and gas.
Nothing has changed since then.
As usual, you're wrong. Manning admin had a plan to implement large scale agriculture throughout the country with megafarms. This was going to be our best attempt to lower food prices by increasing the scale, the main reason imported food is sometimes cheaper. 3 megafarms were built and more were on their way until he called an early election, was voted out and PP cancelled that tout suite
But just like others in this thread, just say false and cynical stuff, and when ppl refute you with facts, they are the idiots and are brainwashed.
You come back again with irrelevant info. Manning may have had mega farm ideas and goals but change in admin resulted in that being ended. But don't just stop there. Explain to use exactly how the land ended up in private hands and not doing anything in relation to farming. Explain the full story. Don't just say the idea was abandoned. You making it sound as though it fell apart naturally without intentional interference. Let us show the trini mindset when it comes to food security.
Another thing. You see this idea that trinis have about "free market", yuh fooling yourself buddy or watching too much american tv. Governments regulate and to an extent they dictate. You think China got to where it is because of "free market" principals? Hahahaha.
Bro, you live in a country that historically have kept land, capital and resources from certain people due to their race. What free market you talking about? Free market only works if everyone starts off on an even playing field with similar access to capital etc. Other than that you will always end up with an owner class and a worker class.
Habit7 wrote:matr1x wrote:You are a dumbass Habit7.
Your people kill caroni in an attempt to destroy the east Indian base where food was being grown. What does the average afro trini know about agriculture? Or more accurately pnm base?
But every election they want to walkabout like they never cross the lighthouse in their lives.
And when they can't deal with facts, they push race.
Hear what, give up your space here so a Venezuelan can take it nah.
matr1x wrote:Habit7 wrote:matr1x wrote:You are a dumbass Habit7.
Your people kill caroni in an attempt to destroy the east Indian base where food was being grown. What does the average afro trini know about agriculture? Or more accurately pnm base?
But every election they want to walkabout like they never cross the lighthouse in their lives.
And when they can't deal with facts, they push race.
Hear what, give up your space here so a Venezuelan can take it nah.
Your ppl started it first
Then why did it continue after so many years of continuous losses?Habit7 wrote:matr1x wrote:Habit7 wrote:matr1x wrote:You are a dumbass Habit7.
Your people kill caroni in an attempt to destroy the east Indian base where food was being grown. What does the average afro trini know about agriculture? Or more accurately pnm base?
But every election they want to walkabout like they never cross the lighthouse in their lives.
And when they can't deal with facts, they push race.
Hear what, give up your space here so a Venezuelan can take it nah.
Your ppl started it first
No govt killed Caroni, Caroni was never alive.
Caroni was the remnants of a dead 20th century British plantation company and as I have always said, Caroni 1975 Ltd never made a profit since 1975.
SUGAR INDUSTRY WAS DOOMED TO FAIL
AUGUST 1, 2016 NEWS
By Raffique Shah
Submitted: July 26, 2016
Published: August 01, 2016
Trinidad & Tobago, as a very inefficient producer of sugar, relying heavily on preferential, prices for the commodity from Britain, and later the European Union, should have scaled back sugar production from the 1970s when the industry’s losses mounted year after year, soon to reach uncontrollable levels.
A better option would have been to focus on food production, both large, mechanised farms and smaller, family farms, even if it meant government having to lend support through subsidies and/or incentives: most successful food producers, even developed countries, do that.
But no government wanted to be accused of targeting Indians, who formed approximately 90 percent of the 9,000-strong workforce and the 6,000-odd independent cane farmers who cultivated and sold their produce to Caroni Ltd.
In 1970, when Government acquired 51 percent of Caroni from the British manufacturing giant Tate & Lyle (which retained 49 percent and continued to manage the company), Caroni incurred a loss of $4.6 million. By 1975, when Government bought out Tate & Lyle’s shares, losses had spiralled exponentially, with the State having to inject hundreds of millions of dollars by way of loans and subventions.
Why? Many people might ask: after all, sugar was still profitable in Guyana, St Kitts and Jamaica, and even more so in Brazil, India, Australia and many African countries.
The answers to that question are complex. At the core, in my view, was the reality that T&T was an oil-based economy, and when the first oil boom of the mid-1970s sent salaries spiralling, those who laboured in very harsh conditions in the sugar industry could not be left behind. Their unions battled and won for both workers and farmers significant increases in 1975.
However, productivity did not improve: in fact, it went into the opposite direction. Yields per acre dropped drastically, from 30-plus tonnes to below 20. Pests like froghoppers ravaged the fields. The use of herbicides and insecticides became universal, with all their negatives. Poorer cane quality resulted in the conversion of cane to sugar (tc/ts) to rise from eight to as high as 13. Wild fires were rampant, further affecting cane quality.
By 1992, Caroni had accumulated debts amounting to approximately $2 billion. Patrick Manning as Prime Minister decided to act decisively. He appointed a Tripartite Committee (unions, management and UWI experts) to formulate strategies to save Caroni as a diversified agricultural enterprise.
In the 1980s, the company had already ventured into rice, citrus and livestock, none of which had proved to be profitable. Also, several other experts had examined the company and made recommendations to turn it around: John Spence (1978); Frank Rampersad (1980); Eric St Cyr (1984); and Lloyd Rankine (1991).
Based on the Tripartite Committee’s report, the Manning Government wrote off Caroni’s $2 billion debt, giving the company a new, debt-free start.
Here’s what happened: Caroni incurred annual operating losses of $175 million in 1996, $246 million in 1997, $305 million in 1998, $223 million in 1999, $349 million in 2000 and $367 million in 2001.
Government’s support (subventions/loan guarantees): 1996-$349 million; 1997-$124; 1998-$190; 1999-$808; 2000-$388; 2001-$188; and 2002-$579.
Caroni’s cost of producing raw sugar, compared with selected countries in 1995 (it will have grown worse afterwards), in US cents per pound: T&T-25; Barbados-40; Guyana-15; Jamaica-20; Australia-9.6; Fiji-12.
So, by the turn of the Century, Caroni was going nowhere very quickly, or maybe more aptly, the cry from the plantation was “backward ever, forward never”.
Some people swear it was worth saving for its foreign exchange earnings. Let me deal with that one time, as my brethren would say: in 1996, a pretty good year, it earned US $40 million. At an exchange rate of 6.3, the equivalent in TTD will have been $252 million. But in spite of that, Caroni’s loss was $175 million and government support was $349 million. You figure out what those 40 million US dollars really cost us!
Caroni was on an irreversible slide, and not even the key stakeholders could muster the will to save it. From management to cane cutters, labourers to cane farmers, the feeling was once the oil dollars flowed they would be paid. And if Government wanted to turn off the tap, it would pay big bucks in severance packages-which it did.
I lament its demise because I felt it could have been transformed into the biggest food-producing entity in the region, using the same oil dollars to put it on a firm footing.
I share the sentiment too that State-funded entities such as URP and CEPEP should be either made productive or shut down the way Caroni was. Ditto for Caribbean Airlines, which has long been a burden too heavy to bear.
The sugar workers and cane farmers have survived Caroni’s closure, with many of them thriving in its aftermath. Surely others can, especially those who enjoyed free education and are professionally qualified, and those who acquired skills.
https://www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/blog/?p=9620
How long have I been warning y’all about crop failures? From the year 2022, food supplies along with clean drinking water will begin to fade, cause the evils rulers are manipulating the weather to cause extreme drought and torrential rain.
There will be scarcity of all foods, including meat products. Meat for consumption will be tainted with a v:rus, and it will be unhealthy to eat. Only those that are privileged will be able to enjoy healthy food from 2023 and beyond. Many of you may have the money to buy the foods, but it just won’t be available.
What if your government states that it’s against the law to hoard food? How are you going to react to this?
And during the food crisis facing the world, water too will ‘dry up’ everywhere.
Kindly join me tonight <Monday September 27th> at 7:00 PM right here on my Medical Visionary page for another exciting program.
Whenever you are eating, concentrate on that morsel of food and not on other things, cause very soon millions of people worldwide will be starving
Red government and rising sun government never put any consideration for agriculture, it was always our black sheep in the economy, now things finally hitting the fan we seeing the pressure yet the writing has always been on the walldaring dragoon wrote:chicken price skyrocket..... a chicken is $70-$85 at $16-$18 a pound for whole chicken. great is the red.
Red government ppl like habitarse 788sins wrote:what kinda mad people does be on fb these day boi
Cows anyoneRedress10 wrote:TT barely even have a local dairy industry. I guess Gov't can't intervene in that neither according to some people.
88sins wrote:what kinda mad people does be on fb these day boi
88sins wrote:If this continues on its current trend and pace I go be real sorry for plenty people.
brickman wrote:Made a grocery run today,almost everything i picked up was $2/$3 more & lots of people were putting stuff back,went to the pharmacy to get a box of panadol,up from $31 to $35.
daring dragoon wrote:
yup. 2020 christmas lots of people gave hampers to the less fortunate. this year will be different. people wont have extra to give anymore plus it might not have anything to give cause the shelves empty with no US $ in the system. everything being mismanaged by red and idk how some so dotish to not see it an still say i red till i dead. like red and black is the 2 worst colors on god green earth that thrives under a yellow sun.
Time to say that word we love so much but don't know the meaning of......BOYCOTTK74T wrote:
Zoom,zoom rader wrote:Trinidad take bull while Arse Wari collects rents for nutting and you dumb fools have to pay more for foods.
Yuh arses too happy
SuperiorMan wrote:Wonder if KFC prices gonna increase too.
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