The Tobago Self-Government Bill, 2020...

[Habit7]

The tobago bill was really brought with THA elections in mind which may soon happen to break the current deadlock.

If the bill fails, PNM will simply say the PDP together with the UNC kill the bill. PDP would say what tobagonians wanted was not in the bill and PNM rejected same when PP was in power.

The JSC report on the bill which started in 2018 was supposed to finish May 2021 anyway. Whether elections or not the bill was coming. I don't know who put PDP as the voice of Tobago but by popular vote, they are not and the bill had wide consultation for 3yrs with all Tobagonians.

It is funny how ppl like Ramona Ramdial (former Tobago shadow ...whatever) now sees the light after she got booted. But like Fuad and Devant, they realise who is the true cult and what happens when you oppose them.

My UNC Family!
We have another reason for wanting new UNC Leadership!
Today the Opposition missed a golden opportunity at making history and being responsible for giving Tobago Self-Government when they scuttled the Bill by walking out of the Parliament before the Vote was taken.
You the people have been supporting Tobago autonomy for many years now, you believe in giving Tobago all the necessary tools to be self sustaining and less dependent on Trinidad.
The Opposition had nothing to lose and everything to gain in kickstarting the process for a more independent Tobago. They brought no amendments to the Bill and their only argument was that they needed more consultations even after spending 3 years on a JSC doing the work.
What happens now that the Bill has failed? We go back to same ole rhetoric of those in the Parliament blaming each other for Tobago's woes.
So the next time you angrily ask 'Why do we have to give billions to Tobago annually for their upkeep when they could be generating their own revenues?' Know that OL KPB frittered away the opportunity to give Tobago autonomy and really wants you the taxpayers to continue to spend your billions there.
OL KPB has lost all credibility on speaking on Tobago issues henceforth. The hope for Tobago Self Govt was killed by KPB today.
Stay Woke T&T
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[timelapse]

Let them go, they too racist

[zoom rader]

every rational thinking Tobagonian that I know wants this bill to happen as opportunities in Tobago are limited and this (more national budget and possible access to the energy industry) should help them better themselves (I think Farley himself stated that like many Tobagonians things so unbalanced that he still lives by his father... idk if this changed after he got married though). UNC shutting this down means that more than likely they will never win in Tobago again as the citizens will see that UNC does not want Tobago to move forward. The Bill not perfect mind you but, when the average salary in Tobago is like 6k-8k maybe (as most individuals work in the public sector), something is better than nothing.

Wot?

Which UNC shutting this bill down?

Bago should run their own affairs without the use of Trinidad tax payers money.

No red government , unc or any Trinidad party should be in control of Bago

Without the Opposition’s support, the bills will fail and therefore the Constitution cannot be amended to provide for the establishment of a Tobago Legislature with law-making powers over prescribed matters and a Tobago Island Government with exclusive executive powers to govern Tobago, headed by a premier.

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 1e3e5.html

So again, UNC's resistance so far may derail the bill. I agree, some things in the Bill (like the increase in national allowance) i disagree on but that was put forward years now and never turned down after consecutive JSC meetings. So if it stayed in then why is it now an issue? As i said the Bill not perfect but would significantly help Tobagonians to move forward.

I don't see any UNC's resistance. All I see is the usual antics of bias from the PM and house speaker.

The faster we get of bago the better it will be for them. Emancipation for bago now

[elec2020]

The tobago bill was really brought with THA elections in mind which may soon happen to break the current deadlock.

If the bill fails, PNM will simply say the PDP together with the UNC kill the bill. PDP would say what tobagonians wanted was not in the bill and PNM rejected same when PP was in power.

The JSC report on the bill which started in 2018 was supposed to finish May 2021 anyway. Whether elections or not the bill was coming. I don't know who put PDP as the voice of Tobago but by popular vote, they are not and the bill had wide consultation for 3yrs with all Tobagonians.

It is funny how ppl like Ramona Ramdial (former Tobago shadow ...whatever) now sees the light after she got booted. But like Fuad and Devant, they realise who is the true cult and what happens when you oppose them.

My UNC Family!
We have another reason for wanting new UNC Leadership!
Today the Opposition missed a golden opportunity at making history and being responsible for giving Tobago Self-Government when they scuttled the Bill by walking out of the Parliament before the Vote was taken.
You the people have been supporting Tobago autonomy for many years now, you believe in giving Tobago all the necessary tools to be self sustaining and less dependent on Trinidad.
The Opposition had nothing to lose and everything to gain in kickstarting the process for a more independent Tobago. They brought no amendments to the Bill and their only argument was that they needed more consultations even after spending 3 years on a JSC doing the work.
What happens now that the Bill has failed? We go back to same ole rhetoric of those in the Parliament blaming each other for Tobago's woes.
So the next time you angrily ask 'Why do we have to give billions to Tobago annually for their upkeep when they could be generating their own revenues?' Know that OL KPB frittered away the opportunity to give Tobago autonomy and really wants you the taxpayers to continue to spend your billions there.
OL KPB has lost all credibility on speaking on Tobago issues henceforth. The hope for Tobago Self Govt was killed by KPB today.
Stay Woke T&T
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 4607104021

I fail to understand how the party members for UNC cannot realize that their biggest liability is their leader. Now, regardless of the end result, UNC lost Tobago for the next GE as Tobagonians would perceive the actions by UNC are meant to keep Tobago down. As long as I know Tobagonians want independence. If you want there votes it make sense to prevent them from getting something they wanted badly for so long? Stupidity

[Habit7]

The tobago bill was really brought with THA elections in mind which may soon happen to break the current deadlock.

If the bill fails, PNM will simply say the PDP together with the UNC kill the bill. PDP would say what tobagonians wanted was not in the bill and PNM rejected same when PP was in power.

The JSC report on the bill which started in 2018 was supposed to finish May 2021 anyway. Whether elections or not the bill was coming. I don't know who put PDP as the voice of Tobago but by popular vote, they are not and the bill had wide consultation for 3yrs with all Tobagonians.

It is funny how ppl like Ramona Ramdial (former Tobago shadow ...whatever) now sees the light after she got booted. But like Fuad and Devant, they realise who is the true cult and what happens when you oppose them.

My UNC Family!
We have another reason for wanting new UNC Leadership!
Today the Opposition missed a golden opportunity at making history and being responsible for giving Tobago Self-Government when they scuttled the Bill by walking out of the Parliament before the Vote was taken.
You the people have been supporting Tobago autonomy for many years now, you believe in giving Tobago all the necessary tools to be self sustaining and less dependent on Trinidad.
The Opposition had nothing to lose and everything to gain in kickstarting the process for a more independent Tobago. They brought no amendments to the Bill and their only argument was that they needed more consultations even after spending 3 years on a JSC doing the work.
What happens now that the Bill has failed? We go back to same ole rhetoric of those in the Parliament blaming each other for Tobago's woes.
So the next time you angrily ask 'Why do we have to give billions to Tobago annually for their upkeep when they could be generating their own revenues?' Know that OL KPB frittered away the opportunity to give Tobago autonomy and really wants you the taxpayers to continue to spend your billions there.
OL KPB has lost all credibility on speaking on Tobago issues henceforth. The hope for Tobago Self Govt was killed by KPB today.
Stay Woke T&T
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 4607104021

I fail to understand how the party members for UNC cannot realize that their biggest liability is their leader. Now, regardless of the end result, UNC lost Tobago for the next GE as Tobagonians would perceive the actions by UNC are meant to keep Tobago down. As long as I know Tobagonians want independence. If you want there votes it make sense to prevent them from getting something they wanted badly for so long? Stupidity

Tobagonians want autonomy, not independence. There is a big difference.

[j.o.e]

UNC is not interested in doing the people’s business but putting roadblocks in the way of public policy.

[elec2020]

The tobago bill was really brought with THA elections in mind which may soon happen to break the current deadlock.

If the bill fails, PNM will simply say the PDP together with the UNC kill the bill. PDP would say what tobagonians wanted was not in the bill and PNM rejected same when PP was in power.

The JSC report on the bill which started in 2018 was supposed to finish May 2021 anyway. Whether elections or not the bill was coming. I don't know who put PDP as the voice of Tobago but by popular vote, they are not and the bill had wide consultation for 3yrs with all Tobagonians.

It is funny how ppl like Ramona Ramdial (former Tobago shadow ...whatever) now sees the light after she got booted. But like Fuad and Devant, they realise who is the true cult and what happens when you oppose them.

My UNC Family!
We have another reason for wanting new UNC Leadership!
Today the Opposition missed a golden opportunity at making history and being responsible for giving Tobago Self-Government when they scuttled the Bill by walking out of the Parliament before the Vote was taken.
You the people have been supporting Tobago autonomy for many years now, you believe in giving Tobago all the necessary tools to be self sustaining and less dependent on Trinidad.
The Opposition had nothing to lose and everything to gain in kickstarting the process for a more independent Tobago. They brought no amendments to the Bill and their only argument was that they needed more consultations even after spending 3 years on a JSC doing the work.
What happens now that the Bill has failed? We go back to same ole rhetoric of those in the Parliament blaming each other for Tobago's woes.
So the next time you angrily ask 'Why do we have to give billions to Tobago annually for their upkeep when they could be generating their own revenues?' Know that OL KPB frittered away the opportunity to give Tobago autonomy and really wants you the taxpayers to continue to spend your billions there.
OL KPB has lost all credibility on speaking on Tobago issues henceforth. The hope for Tobago Self Govt was killed by KPB today.
Stay Woke T&T
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 4607104021

I fail to understand how the party members for UNC cannot realize that their biggest liability is their leader. Now, regardless of the end result, UNC lost Tobago for the next GE as Tobagonians would perceive the actions by UNC are meant to keep Tobago down. As long as I know Tobagonians want independence. If you want there votes it make sense to prevent them from getting something they wanted badly for so long? Stupidity

Tobagonians want autonomy, not independence. There is a big difference.

sorry I tend to use some words interchangeably. But yes they want autonomy.

[elec2020]

UNC is not interested in doing the people’s business but putting roadblocks in the way of public policy.

sadly it seems like they take the term "Opposition" literally. As in you have to oppose every single thing. what a failed arm of Government. PNM till 2030 I guess.

[zoom rader]

UNC is not interested in doing the people’s business but putting roadblocks in the way of public policy.

UNC not in power, why blame UNC when the Red government keeps failing.

If the red government was that good then Bill should have passed easy. Seems red government puts in purpose flaws and then blames kams

[j.o.e]

UNC is not interested in doing the people’s business but putting roadblocks in the way of public policy.

UNC not in power, why blame UNC when the Red government keeps failing.

If the red government was that good then Bill should have passed easy. Seems red government puts in purpose flaws and then blames kams

Bill requires a special majority. Tell KPB go to work and do her job. If she has a problem with the bill raise it during debate and let the amendments be made.

[Redman]

She has to be in parliament to be able to vote.

Money for nothing and the drinks for free.

[j.o.e]

[eliteauto]

If this is true, it's hilarious

[Redman]

Zoombindranath
If UNC is irrelevant then are ex unc irrelevanter?

[bluefete]

All these games between the PNM and UNC.

When Tobagonians get fed up, they will declare their independence from T&T and take away half of our EEZ's.

LOL.

[zoom rader]

All these games between the PNM and UNC.

When Tobagonians get fed up, they will declare their independence from T&T and take away half of our EEZ's.

LOL.

I awaiting bago independence.

[bluefete]

All these games between the PNM and UNC.

When Tobagonians get fed up, they will declare their independence from T&T and take away half of our EEZ's.

LOL.

I awaiting bago independence.

Like you already apply for your Tobago citizenship.

[sam1978]

Unless I’m deaf , I’m certain I heard Kamala say that she got info that the PNM intended to gut the bill. Rowrow said that Kamala said the PNM gutted the bill ( left out the word intended to) . Ramona then repeated what Rowrow said and not what Kamala said.

Btw, Ramona really believe without Kamala she has any value?

[The_Honourable]

Tobago Bills Stuck at Committee Stage in Parliament

Source: https://www.facebook.com/tobagochannel5 ... 608879221/

[zoom rader]

All these games between the PNM and UNC.

When Tobagonians get fed up, they will declare their independence from T&T and take away half of our EEZ's.

LOL.

I awaiting bago independence.

Like you already apply for your Tobago citizenship.

I migrated to East Bago. In a village where they don't like the red government.

[zoom rader]

Unless I’m deaf , I’m certain I heard Kamala say that she got info that the PNM intended to gut the bill. Rowrow said that Kamala said the PNM gutted the bill ( left out the word intended to) . Ramona then repeated what Rowrow said and not what Kamala said.

Btw, Ramona really believe without Kamala she has any value?

Dis why they got rid of Ramona.

Most of the MPs in the red government behave like Ramona.

[Blaze d Chalice]

I read that as Ole KPB

[De Dragon]

Will any of the LFD RFD PNM toadies just answer ONE question?
Are you comfortable and ok with a bill that not only increases Tobago's allocation of the National Budget, but allows them to develop their Oil/gas and other resources (funding source Trinidad) all while retaining such funds for the sole retention and use of Tobago, while not having a SINGLE accountability measure?
Please frame your answer without Kamla/UNC.
Thanks

[sam1978]

Kamla , Kamla kamla Kam La kamLA , KAMLA.

Ps. UNC.

[Habit7]

Will any of the LFD RFD PNM toadies just answer ONE question?
Are you comfortable and ok with a bill that not only increases Tobago's allocation of the National Budget, but allows them to develop their Oil/gas and other resources (funding source Trinidad) all while retaining such funds for the sole retention and use of Tobago, while not having a SINGLE accountability measure?
Please frame your answer without Kamla/UNC.
Thanks

Please cite where the bill says that?

[sMASH]

ah nex NLCB and WASA

[The_Honourable]

Opposition tells Govt: Take two weeks to fix bills or we’ll reject them



Postpone debate on the Tobago self-government bills to consider amendments from Tobagonian politicians, but if not, the Opposition United National Congress has been advised to reject the bills.

Opposition Chief Whip David Lee laid out the opposition’s position to Government in Parliament yesterday morning, requesting debate be postponed for two weeks for Parliament to consider amendments to the bills from Tobago’s Platform for Truth leader Hochoy Charles and Progressive Democrat Patriots deputy political leader Farley Augustine.

Lee was speaking on a motion on the report of a Joint Select Committee on the two bills: Constitution Amendment Tobago Self- Government bill and the companion bill which repeals the current Tobago House of Assembly.

Apart from what he said was the lack of consultation on the bills, Lee added the UNC had a letter from Charles and Augustine who were fearful of the two bills. He said they had amendments they’d like the government to take into account and asked that yesterday’s sitting be adjourned to deal with their amendments.

Lee said the men felt that the way the bills were presented was a clear violation of international laws and they lacked a proper voice, “Mr Charles asked for maybe two more weeks and they recommended to us (Opposition MPs) if that failed, to reject the bills. This isn’t the UNC saying to reject it, it’s the leaders of Tobago saying this as they have a concern.

“We also feel these bills need more work. If the Attorney General says he’s bringing more amendments as he did, it clearly shows the work’s incomplete and more’s required. There may even be amendments from others in Tobago who are concerned seeing these bills now,” Lee said.

Lee added the bills should be returned to the JSC.

“There are issues: such as the Cabinet, whether the Cabinet will still have power to override laws Tobago makes, and how will the bills give Tobagonians the clarity to have better tenureship of their lands and why they can’t do it now?“

PNM bring bills to campaign for polls- Tancoo

Oropouche West MP Dave Tancoo who called the bills “half-baked proposals”, questioned the Government’s haste to bring them.

He said the Government knew the Opposition would oppose it due to lack of consultations, “But they still brought it. But this bill isn’t only about Tobago, it’s about Trinidad and Tobago and Trinidadians need to be consulted as this law impacts us also.“

Tancoo, who said the UNC had given Tobago various facilities, accused the PNM of not wanting the bills to be passed so that they could go and campaign in Tobago for the 15 seats expected to be formatted there.

”But Tobagonians already indicated what they want in Tobago when they voted in the last (THA) election – that spoke volumes that enough was enough for Tobago from the PNM.“

He said the People’s National Movement didn’t like what Tobagonians have said and are now denying them what they really want and their views.

“Give them what they deserve, allow them to guide their own future,” he said.

St Augustine MP Kadijah Ameen said she had to admire “the blind loyalty” of Talparo/La Horquetta MP Foster Cummings whom she spoke after.

“I don’t know if he thinks he‘ll get PNM’s leadership. He might be behind Arima (Penny Beckles) and Bon Air West (Marvin Gonzales).”

She said Tobagonian PNM people were “attacking” Tobagonians. “Because they differ from your opinion doesn’t give you the right to call them unpatriotic- they’re UnPNM.

”Don’t listen only to PNM people, listen to non-PNM also, you’ll reap what you sow when it comes to Tobago as you’re presenting PNM views only—not Tobagonians,” Ameen said.

Source: https://www.cnc3.co.tt/opposition-tells ... ject-them/

[i_code_and_stuff]

Will any of the LFD RFD PNM toadies just answer ONE question?
Are you comfortable and ok with a bill that not only increases Tobago's allocation of the National Budget, but allows them to develop their Oil/gas and other resources (funding source Trinidad) all while retaining such funds for the sole retention and use of Tobago, while not having a SINGLE accountability measure?
Please frame your answer without Kamla/UNC.
Thanks

Please cite where the bill says that?

Yeah, that'd be useful, because my (admittedly limited) understanding is that the bill was designed to prevent exactly that from happening. Specifically, I recall that coming to the end of the debate, the pm specifically mentioned that they cannot support any aspect of autonomy that could jeopardize the O&G sector

[Habit7]

Will any of the LFD RFD PNM toadies just answer ONE question?
Are you comfortable and ok with a bill that not only increases Tobago's allocation of the National Budget, but allows them to develop their Oil/gas and other resources (funding source Trinidad) all while retaining such funds for the sole retention and use of Tobago, while not having a SINGLE accountability measure?
Please frame your answer without Kamla/UNC.
Thanks

Please cite where the bill says that?

Yeah, that'd be useful, because my (admittedly limited) understanding is that the bill was designed to prevent exactly that from happening. Specifically, I recall that coming to the end of the debate, the pm specifically mentioned that they cannot support any aspect of autonomy that could jeopardize the O&G sector

The bill doesn't have that. He is just a classic case of "I hear..." and because I now called him out, he will reply frothing because I dare asked him to substantiate his errant claim.

[sMASH]

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