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Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby The_Honourable » January 27th, 2021, 9:14 pm

GameStop valuation tops $24B after internet-hyped surge




Reddit traders cause Wall Street havoc by buying GameStop

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Amateur online traders fueled by discussions on Reddit sent shares of a struggling video game retailer flying Wednesday, a moment that is underscoring the divorce between the skyrocketing values of companies and the pain in the real economy.

GameStop, a video game retailer struggling to keep up with direct downloads even before the coronavirus pandemic, saw its share price jump to $347 per share on Wednesday. Overall, its share price has risen more than 1,800 percent in January.

It’s not the only seemingly imperiled company that has seen its stock soar because of buys by the nearly 3 million users on Reddit’s subforum r/WallStreetBets (WSB) either.

Shares of theater chain AMC rose 302 percent, the holding company used to liquidate Blockbuster Video’s assets rose 120 percent, Nokia rose 38 percent and BlackBerry rose 33.4 percent Wednesday, while the stock market on the whole took steep losses.

Most if not all of these companies have bleak financial futures, but they’ve become favorite targets of thousands of self-starting day traders using a proliferation of trading apps such as Robinhood.

The trading community on WSB has grown rapidly since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, which left many people jobless and with nowhere to go but online. The subreddit was viewed 300 million times in March, according to one of its 10 moderators, up from 30 million in December 2019.

“It’s gotten a lot busier very, very quickly,” the moderator OPINION_IS_UNPOPULAR told The Hill in an interview. “And these past few days, especially, are absolutely game-breaking.”

GameStop has been the primary focus of the forum, which briefly went private on Wednesday evening before opening back up.

Some users, primarily DeepF---ingValue and delaneydi, had started arguing as early as September 2019 that the retail chain’s stock was being undervalued by the market. They also identified that several hedge funds had been betting against it using a tactic called short selling, which is effectively a bet that a stock’s price will fall.

The proposed strategy picked up significant steam in the last year, especially with DeepF---ingValue sharing updates as his initial $53,000 investment in GameStop ballooned. The Redditors have bought massive numbers of the stock and are holding onto it, forcing the hedge funds that had shorted the stock into something called a short squeeze.

A short squeeze is a tactic used by investors to force short sellers of a certain stock into a cycle of deep losses by driving the price of that stock higher. As more investors buy the shorted stock for higher prices during the squeeze, short sellers are also forced to buy shares to fulfill contracts, which puts more upward pressure on the share price.

Many of the users, who include both professional financial analysts and hobbyists, are betting that the stocks they’ve homed in on will keep climbing. Others are being more cautious.

The WSB moderator told The Hill that the team has been focused on trying to educate the influx of new users on the forum about the potential risks of investing.

“It seems like some people are taking much bigger risks than they necessarily can afford, and that is something that concerns me,” they explained.

It’s unclear how long WSB’s epic run will go and what will eventually stop it, but Washington and Wall Street are paying close attention.

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen is monitoring the steep rise in GameStop’s price, the White House said Wednesday, and Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell sidestepped several questions about sky-high equity prices during a Wednesday press conference.

The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) said in a Wednesday statement that it was monitoring “on-going market volatility in the options and equities markets and, consistent with our mission to protect investors and maintain fair, orderly, and efficient markets, we are working with our fellow regulators to assess the situation and review the activities of regulated entities, financial intermediaries, and other market participants.”

Some legal experts think those involved in pushing GameStop and other shares higher could face liability.

“This looks an awful lot like market manipulation, and I suppose it could rise to the level of securities fraud,” said a securities lawyer in Washington, D.C.

The attorney added that while there are likely legal ways to pull off a short squeeze, “ginning up interest among perhaps unsophisticated investors to build that momentum” could resemble schemes that have previously drawn SEC charges.

“How many times is the SEC going to let them do this before they say, ‘OK, this is clearly manipulative and has to stop,’” the attorney said.

Former SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt Jr. argued in an op-ed Wednesday that the agency should aggressively crack down on “rumormongers” that use online forums to drive stock purchases before the rally got out of hand.

“If regulators are able to cut through the froth and the noise, introduce a little humility and doubt, they might well condition novice investors to walk before they run, and to tread carefully on a path where others have gone before — and been badly hurt,” he wrote.

Others said the havoc on the stock market was shining a light on economic inequality and the rising gap between Wall Street’s riches and working-class Americans struggling to get by during the pandemic.

“For years, the same hedge funds, private equity firms, and wealthy investors dismayed by the GameStop trades have treated the stock market like their own personal casino while everyone else pays the price,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) tweeted Wednesday. “With stocks soaring while millions are out of work and struggling to pay bills, it’s not news that the stock market doesn't reflect our actual economy.”

The WSB moderator who spoke with The Hill welcomed potential investigations by regulators, saying it would help them deal with the handful of users trying to take advantage of the forum to push their own interests.

Thousands of WSB users celebrated what they view as a win of the masses over hedge funds and financial media outlets in discussion threads.

“We aren’t Stock Market masterminds,” one user posted in a thread dedicated to planning Thursday’s moves. “Just average Americans trying to make the best out of the sheit cards our Generations been dealt.”

It does not seem likely that WSB’s GameStop play will fundamentally alter the financial system. Massive funds such as Blackrock and Fidelity, for example, are raking in huge profits from their own GME stock.

Even so, Wall Street veterans say the recent rallies could reshape the ways investors judge stock prices with unknown implications.

“The biggest risk of all of it is that the credibility of the markets themselves and their credibility as price discovery mechanisms is lost, and that’s problematic,” said Peter Cecchini, founder of research and consulting firm AlphaOmega Advisors.

“Price discovery and what it means about risk is the basis for a lot of what goes on in a capitalist society,” he added.

Source: https://thehill.com/policy/finance/5362 ... g-gamestop

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby pugboy » January 27th, 2021, 9:17 pm

so the small man do what the big institutions been doing all the time
a good laugh yes

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby VexXx Dogg » January 27th, 2021, 9:40 pm

Hedge funds with short positions lost $Billions.

The /r/wsb guys got rocket fuel when Musk tweeted gamestonk

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 27th, 2021, 10:00 pm

it was crazy!

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Postby Dizzy28 » January 28th, 2021, 8:30 am

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Postby limegreen » January 28th, 2021, 9:30 am

We like the stock!

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2021, 9:58 am

had to take a crash course on 'shorting' to understand the backstory.

only problem here is, the big boys want to regulate how things go on, so that this doesnt continue to happen... small people working the system and winning. the big people need to remain big.

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby Dizzy28 » January 28th, 2021, 10:18 am

Hedge Funds Managers play the market, its cool
Day Traders play the market, its gambling and there needs to be regulations
The system is broken!!

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby bluefete » January 28th, 2021, 11:38 am

Real interesting battles shaping up there.

WallStreetBets founder on GameStop: There is no precedent for this
Jaime Rogozinski, founder of the WallStreetBets trading forum on Reddit, says people are "placing bets on a market in a way that they are actually affecting the odds of the outcome." He speaks with CNN's Julia Chatterley about the stock frenzy.


https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business ... nnbusiness

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby teems1 » January 28th, 2021, 12:08 pm

I think its coming to an end, it's down 130 since opening bell, and doesn't look like a dip.

The hedge funds will get a hit, but not one to ruin them if GME had reached 500 or even 1000.

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Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2021, 12:12 pm

teems1 wrote:I think its coming to an end, it's down 130 since opening bell, and doesn't look like a dip.

The hedge funds will get a hit, but not one to ruin them if GME had reached 500 or even 1000.

the viral wave ready to subside? now might be the time to look to short?

some of the responses of the reddit people is that they willing to hold the stocks to keep the price high. another analyst says, the bulk of the stocks is really algorithms that jumped onto the uptrend. so when they jump back off, the real salty investors may not be enough to keep the price that high.

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Postby Dohplaydat » January 28th, 2021, 12:20 pm

sMASH wrote:
teems1 wrote:I think its coming to an end, it's down 130 since opening bell, and doesn't look like a dip.

The hedge funds will get a hit, but not one to ruin them if GME had reached 500 or even 1000.

the viral wave ready to subside? now might be the time to look to short?

some of the responses of the reddit people is that they willing to hold the stocks to keep the price high. another analyst says, the bulk of the stocks is really algorithms that jumped onto the uptrend. so when they jump back off, the real salty investors may not be enough to keep the price that high.


The hedge funds shorted GameStop when the value was a pittance. Those shorts are coming in now and hitting those hedgies hard.

Many WSB folks will keep it high for shits and giggles right now too

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby teems1 » January 28th, 2021, 12:20 pm

sMASH wrote:
teems1 wrote:I think its coming to an end, it's down 130 since opening bell, and doesn't look like a dip.

The hedge funds will get a hit, but not one to ruin them if GME had reached 500 or even 1000.

the viral wave ready to subside? now might be the time to look to short?

some of the responses of the reddit people is that they willing to hold the stocks to keep the price high. another analyst says, the bulk of the stocks is really algorithms that jumped onto the uptrend. so when they jump back off, the real salty investors may not be enough to keep the price that high.


If it is really manipulation by those who hold the tools, then this throws NYSE into major disrepute.

Being unable to buy only causes the price to go down and the hedge funds are shorting again.

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby The_Honourable » January 28th, 2021, 12:38 pm

Wall Street Elites REGULATE, DEPLATFORM Redditors Who BEAT THEM On GameStop


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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby The_Honourable » January 28th, 2021, 1:37 pm

Redditors pumping silver

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby Redman » January 28th, 2021, 2:01 pm

Pump and dump 2021.
This has.been happening forever....it's just happening on SM and online...with coverage.

Gme trades it's more than it's entire OS every day.

Alongside having more short positions than the OS

Picking up pennies infront of an avalanche.

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Postby teems1 » January 28th, 2021, 2:31 pm

Redman wrote:Pump and dump 2021.
This has.been happening forever....it's just happening on SM and online...with coverage.

Gme trades it's more than it's entire OS every day.

Alongside having more short positions than the OS

Picking up pennies infront of an avalanche.


This is nowhere the same as pump and dump.

Pump and dump is misleading the public into thinking a company is doing well. Hype increases, demand increases, stock price increases, then you sell when it's high.

This is a bunch of retail traders on a forum who realized Melvin Capital overextended their short position on Gamestop, and decided to counter it by raising the price.

No one cares about Gamestop as a company right now. They are just the vehicle being used.

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby Skanky » January 28th, 2021, 2:42 pm

Lol@ people who think retail traders could move the price of any freely traded market.
You people will just believe any nonsense the news throws at you :lol:

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Postby Dohplaydat » January 28th, 2021, 2:52 pm

Skanky wrote:Lol@ people who think retail traders could move the price of any freely traded market.
You people will just believe any nonsense the news throws at you :lol:


I don't think you understand what happened with GME.

WSB is a huge community with some very good investors who hangout there. Many are employees or former employees of hedge funds who have loads to invest.

They spotted they huge short of GME, realized there were limited supplies of GME's stocks available and bought it all driving up the price and freaking the shorts.

That can't happen normally unless some insightful investors spot this again.

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Postby VexXx Dogg » January 28th, 2021, 3:11 pm

I eh know sheit about stocks and trading, but as always learning something in between the lulz

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Postby Redman » January 28th, 2021, 4:20 pm

Manipulation is manipulation regardless of the back story

Countering a short by raising the price...through coordinated activity.

Manipulation.

It's a big boys game...new bottle same wine.

teems1 wrote:
Redman wrote:Pump and dump 2021.
This has.been happening forever....it's just happening on SM and online...with coverage.

Gme trades it's more than it's entire OS every day.

Alongside having more short positions than the OS

Picking up pennies infront of an avalanche.


This is nowhere the same as pump and dump.

Pump and dump is misleading the public into thinking a company is doing well. Hype increases, demand increases, stock price increases, then you sell when it's high.

This is a bunch of retail traders on a forum who realized Melvin Capital overextended their short position on Gamestop, and decided to counter it by raising the price.

No one cares about Gamestop as a company right now. They are just the vehicle being used.

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2021, 4:46 pm

4.6m people is not a lil bit... even if is just a fraction that actually bought stocks.

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2021, 7:36 pm

yahoo finance

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Postby Dohplaydat » January 28th, 2021, 8:05 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-reta ... 000147d4e3

Data also showed that estimated losses from shorting GameStop at $1.03 billion year-to-date


Loses on shorts are a regular thing....but this.

Losses on short positions in U.S. firms top $70 billion - Ortex data


There are some who were betting big on failing retail or a market crash (or at least not the massive growth that's happened with some stocks).

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2021, 8:18 pm

mmmm. squad actually trying to be fair. thought they might defend it, cause nancy and her insider trading possibility

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby BUG » January 28th, 2021, 8:35 pm

The amount of press this is getting, the big names talking about it and the average person buying in for altruistic purposes, GME is going to explode when the market opens tomorrow.

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby The_Honourable » January 28th, 2021, 9:46 pm

Robinhood hit with class action lawsuit after it restricts GameStop stock

Robinhood can now add a class action lawsuit to its growing list of headaches after it said it would restrict users from trading GameStop and other stocks. A class action lawsuit was filed in New York Thursday, alleging that Robinhood “deprived their customers of the ability to use their service,” in an effort “to manipulate the market for the benefit of people and financial intuitions.”

The lawsuit comes hours after Robinhood informed users that it would restrict a handful of stocks, including GameStop, Blackberry, AMC, and American Airlines, due to “recent volatility.” The company also said it would raise margin requirements for some securities. “We continuously monitor the markets and make changes where necessary,” Robinhood said.

A spokesperson for Robinhood declined to comment.

Robinhood isn’t the only firm to restrict trading on GameStop. Interactive Brokers, Webull, and TD Ameritrade have imposed similar restrictions. But Robinhood has drawn the most ire, likely due to its popularity among the Reddit day traders who fueled the unprecedented rise of GameStop to begin with. According to Motherboard, 56 percent of all Robinhood users own GameStop stock that they are now unable to trade, prompting accusations that the company is working to protect large financial institutions rather than small-time investors.

More: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/robinhoo ... 04848.html

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby sMASH » January 28th, 2021, 11:35 pm

from the boss himself

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby pugboy » January 29th, 2021, 8:53 am

they go sanction ppl soon
can’t allow big boy goliath’s to get hurt by the small davids

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Re: Reddit vs Wall Street

Postby Skanky » January 29th, 2021, 8:55 am

And just like that poof Covid takes a backseat and the news believers get something else to distract them. :lol: :lol:

I guess it's true and will always be true what they say about the M in Masses.

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