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Premier 860 vs Alpine 9855

Postby Silvafoxx » November 7th, 2005, 1:17 pm

Ah usin Pioneer Gm-h200 amp with SCV 305 12" , Comp JBL in front and 6*9 in the back with ah JBL amp GTO 60rms *4 , Advice.

Some Jack donkey thief me Pioneer Deh-7600mp :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Postby SR » November 7th, 2005, 1:22 pm

i like the 860 for ease of use with a 13 band eq
i like the 9855 for a better sound quality output and lots of processing features
my opinion the alpine has better time alignemnet than the pioneer

BUT the pioneer has a 13 band eq that is easier to set up then the alpine 5 band parametric

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Postby ~snYper~ » November 7th, 2005, 1:47 pm

So wait nah.. Jack Donkey thief yuh deck and yuh eh kick he arse?


/////ALPINE over Pioneer dude.....the processing and quality output is better





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Premier™ CD Receiver with Customizable Multicolor Organic EL Display, Auto Slide Flap Face, MP3/WMA/WAV Playback, Built-in DSP with 13-Band Graphic EQ, Auto-EQ and Auto Time Alignment, Burr-Brown DAC's, BMX Digital Compression, MOSFET50, XM-Ready, Supertuner® IIID™, IP-Bus System Control, 10-Key Remote, Rotary Volume Control, Detachable Face Security™, and Hi-Volt Preouts

MP3 and WMA Playback
Don't let your favorite music downloads languish on your computer hard drive. Burn them to a CD-R or CD-RW and play them on one of our MP3 and WMA compatible headunits. Each disc you burn has the capacity to hold up to ten complete albums of MP3 music and twenty for WMA discs. Trust us, that's a lot of music. And since these CDs hold so much data, you'll be happy to know that Pioneer MP3 headunits also include a random play mode. You'll also be pleasantly surprised to find that our players support ID3 Tags and WMA text, which display artist, title, track and album information, just like your computer.

Multicolor OEL Display with Screensavers
The DEH-P860MP’s Multicolor OEL (Organic Electroluminescent) display lets you customize the look of your dash with color and motion. It can actually play movies, animations, and pictures. It comes with screensaver movies, a level indicator, background animations, and background pictures. Customize your screen with fresh background pictures or screensavers, or create your own from your digital pictures or home movies, using the FREE Pioneer OEL Screensaver Studio software! Just download Pioneer’s free OEL Screensaver Studio software and follow the easy instructions.

This display also provides you with way more music information. For viewing MP3 information, the DEH-P860MP supports both ID3v1 tags and the more current ID3v2. Up to 16 characters can be shown on the display at one time, vs. 8-10 characters on most competitors’ models… meaning that you can see most artists’ full names, not some funky abbreviation.

Auto-Flap Motorized Face
Loading a CD into the Auto-Flap Motorized Face is actually fun. Push the OPEN button and the motorized face plate slides out of the way to expose the CD slot, and back again when the CD’s loaded. Just for fun, do it again. And when you leave the vehicle, the face can go with you. Just push the OPEN button, pull the face toward you, and pop it into the included face case. And out you go. Another advantage with this design: the face protects the CD slot from dust.

Auto EQ
Finding the "sweet spot", or optimal listening position, is complicated by sound's reflection and damping, as well as variable speaker positioning in the irregular shaped confines of a car. Such conditions tend to degrade frequency characteristics. Auto EQ automatically fine-tunes the entire range of the music's frequency bandwidth, using 13-band graphic equalization for front and rear speakers. Simply plug in the included microphone and let the frequency band fine-tuning go to work. It;s like having a sound engineer customize your in-car sound system.

Auto Time Alignment
Pioneer's innovative Auto Time Alignment automatically shifts the soundstage in front of the listeners, bringing out the vocals in the process, to create the optimal in-car reproduction of your music. Using the included microphone, it estimates the delay from each speaker to the listening position and adjusts the speaker sound output timing accordingly. The output timing for each speaker is adjusted precisely so that the sound from each speaker, wherever it is installed, reaches the driver's ears at the same time, thus optimizing the listening experience.

Hi-Volt (6.5V) Pre-Outs
If you decide to connect an amplifier to the DEH-P860MP, its three Hi-Volt (6.5V) pre-outs will deliver a clean, powerful signal path. The higher the volts that a pre-out provides, the better the signal strength to your amp, and then your amp doesn’t have to work as hard. These Hi-Volt pre-outs help give you better dynamics, crisper highs, and big, deep bass.

BMX (Bit Media eXpander) Digital Enhancement
Compressed file formats such as MP3 and WMA are now as common as the Internet. But there are people who feel that compressed music sounds thin, flat and short of depth. This is because the data representing a delicate sound barely over the threshold of perception is essentially ignored during compression.
To correct this common problem, Pioneer developed BMX technology. BMX studies what's left of the delicate sound frequencies that are usually ignored and makes the necessary adjustments. This improves the shape and overall depth of sound, which results in enjoyment to the ears, especially in the noisy car environment.
- BMX1 enhances the depth and width of the sound field, making music sound really lively.
- BMX2 improves the sense of presence.

Satellite Radio Ready? Ready.
Satellite Radio. It’s digital, high-quality programming beamed from satellites. And the signal that doesn’t fade, no matter where you drive. It offers commercial-free music of nearly every genre, plus talk, news, sports, weather, and more. There are two companies that offer this great product — XM Radio and Sirius Satellite Radio — and the Premier DEH-P860MP is compatible with both of these subscription-based services. So you choose. You’ll just need a Pioneer digital satellite tuner to match the satellite service you select.

iPod Adapter Ready!
Attention current and future iPod owners: this deck can be your gateway to taking your iPod music collection on the road! The new Pioneer CD-IB100 iPod Adapter is now available to add to your Pioneer headunit. Once you connect this adapter, you can control your iPod through the headunit and even view album, artist, and other music info on its display. The Pioneer iPod adapter powers your iPod and even re-charges its internal battery. Just think: now you can play all of your iPod tunes via a powerful Pioneer mobile audio system!

Premier® Two-Year Warranty
The warranty on this model is two years — double the warranty period of most headunit models currently on the market.



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Supertuner Supertuner IIID
24-Station/6-Button (18FM/6AM) Presets
BSM (Best Stations Memory)
CD Player
1-bit D/A Converter 24-bit Burr Brown
CD-R/CD-RW Compatible
AGC (Automatic Gain Control)
Disc Title Memory
Track Title List
CD Text CD Text
BMX Digital Enhancement
MP3 Playback Compatibility
Codec Support MP3, WMA, WAV
File System ISO9660-1,-2, Romeo, Joliet
Max Directory 8
Max. Folder # 99
Max File # per Folder 253
Max File # per Disc 65,535
Multisession Disc Play
Random Play Folder/Disc
Repeat Play File/Folder
MP3 Bit Rate 8~320kbps or VBR
WMA Format WMA v7, 8, 9
WMA Bit Rate 48~192kbps, VBR
File Name 64 bytes
Folder Name 64 bytes
ID3/WMA Tag ID3 v1.0, 1.1, 2.0; WMA
Tag Length 64 bytes
Tag Data Track, Artist, Album, Comment
Tag Display On/Off
List Search File and Folder
IP-Bus System Expandability
IP-Bus System Control
XM Radio Ready Yes
Sirius Radio Ready Yes (External)
iPod Adapter Ready Yes (External)
Multi-CD Control
DVD Control
TV Tuner Control
Auxiliary Input CD-RB10 or CD-RB20 required
External Unit Control 2
Display Features
Display Type Multicolor Organic EL (OEL)
Dot Matrix OEL Size 192 x 48 (16 color)
Soft Key Operation Mode
Customizable Screensavers Update by CD-R
Screensaver Studio website http://www.pioneer.co.jp/car/pclink3a/
Screensaver Movies 2 (Great Barrier Reef, Night Cruising)
Background Animations 4
Background Pictures 5
Spectrum Analyzers 2
Level Indicators 2
Flap Face Flap Face
Motorization Auto Slide Motorized
Audio Features
Built-in Speaker Power MOSFET 50W x 4
Continuous Power Output 22W x 4
Equalizer 13-band Graphic
Equalizer Presets 5
User Equalizer Settings 2
Loudness Yes
DSP
Auto-EQ (With Mic Included)
Auto-Time Alignment
Listening Position Selector
BBE Digital
Automatic Sound Levelizer (ASL)
Electronic Balance/Fader
Source Level Adjuster (SLA)
Crossover Network 3-Way Crossover
PRO Mode
High-Pass Crossover (HPF) 50/63/80/100/ 125/160/200Hz, 0/-6/-12dB/Oct.
Subwoofer Crossover (LPF) 50/63/80/100/ 125/160/200Hz, -6/-12/-18dB/Oct.
RCA Preouts 3 pair (Front, Rear, Sub/Non-Fading) or PRO Mode (High, Mid, Low)
Preout Voltage & Impedance Hi-Volt (6.5V), 100 ohm
General Features
Rotary Volume Control Fixed Rotary
Rotary Commander Yes (Separate)
Remote Control 10-Key
Wired Remote Input
Cellular Mute
Detachable Face Security
Face Case (Included)
Warranty 2 Year
Premier
Premier Service and Installation

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Postby Anton » November 7th, 2005, 2:38 pm

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The CDA-9855 is simply the best of the SwingFace series, with premium advantages such as a crisp and clear Biolite display, and multi-color illumination so you can choose between 512 different colors to compliment your dash! While playing your music, you can set the background animation you desire. Innovative features such as the newly introduced, GlideTouch mechanism allows you to select your songs through simple glide movements and touch confirmation from your finger.

With Bass Engine Pro, you get 6-band channel digital time correction, 6-band parametric EQ and more, plus the ability to download sound settings using Alpine's i-Personalize feature.

• 50W MAX x 4 High Power Amplifier
• 3 PreOuts (4V)
• SwingFace GlideTouch Mechanism
• SAT Radio Ready
• Ready for iPod®
• Bass Engine Pro™
- 6-Channel Digital Time Correction
- 6-Position HP/LP Digital Crossover
-Subwoofer Level Control
-Subwoofer Phase Selector
-Bass Focus
• 5-Band Digital Parametric Equalizer
• 3- Way or 2-Way Digital Channel Crossover
• Media Xpander™
• CD-R/RW Playback
• MP3/WMA Decoder/Playback
• MP3 Text Information Display
• QuickSearch Function (MP3 Files)
• CD Text, CD Text Display, CD Text Scroll
• CD Shuttle Control Function
• Versatile-Link™ Ready
• MaxTune SQ Tuner
• Regulated 1-Bit DAC
• Wireless Remote Control Included
• OEM Steering Remote Ready
• Detachable Trim Plate
• Anti-Theft Detachable Front Panel

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Postby Silvafoxx » November 7th, 2005, 2:56 pm

~snYper~ wrote:So wait nah.. Jack Donkey thief yuh deck and yuh eh kick he arse?


/////ALPINE over Pioneer dude.....the processing and quality output is better

If ah de cetch him he was, !! dead for sure ! !!

My Tech suggest the Premier...



......anyday


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Postby ~snYper~ » November 7th, 2005, 3:36 pm

next time doh change meh words up nah...lol


I can argue this till tomorrow evening with specs, etc

......If you heard the difference, you will understand why I would choose the /////ALPINE

Then again.. its just my 2 cents 8)

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Postby DE AUDIO » November 7th, 2005, 3:49 pm

Are u open to other options, i have eclipse available if you are interested but if not i would go with the alpine. I prefer alpine to pioneer anyday.

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Postby simplicity » November 7th, 2005, 4:05 pm

Alpine all the way......

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Postby nigel1977 » November 7th, 2005, 5:57 pm

alpine... been there... Hold that
pioneer.. been there
alpine been there....HOLD THAT THOUGHT
eclipse been there.

end result, i bought a 2 year old 7998 ALPINE jus becus.....Alpine is toppa toppa.

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Postby DE AUDIO » November 7th, 2005, 6:12 pm

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CD, CD-R/RW, WMA and MP3
compatibility
Circle Surround II (advanced mode on)
E-iSERV connectivity
Area Shot (basic map, arrow and text)
GPS unit-ready
Motion Picture
Advanced 2-mode Sound Control DSP:
7-band Parametric EQ
(advanced mode on)
Multi-Harmonizer
Time Alignment
Crossover
Listening Position Selector
Source Volume Control
Memory Stick-ready for
recording/playback (ATRAC3)
All digital circuitry with advanced 24-bit D/A converter
High 8V preamp output with low 55 impedance
HD Radio-ready
SIRIUS Satellite Radio-ready
FM/AM tuner
MOSFET power amplification
8-step full dot VF display
5-pattern illumination
MS or CD ESN security
3 prs. pre outputs
Aux input
Remote control

For the same price as the Alpine you can get the eclipse 8445 the only comparable difference is that the alpine uses the ipod feature and the eclipse is 8v and 7 ban eq.

In my opinion, the eclipse deck sounds alot cleaner than than the alpine with regards to its sound reproduction. I have compared both brands after purchasing an alpine myself and to me the eclipse sounded better. However if u have an ipod, then go with the alpine as it will be reall convenient for u to play music.

This is just another option i am offering.

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Postby SR » November 8th, 2005, 8:37 am

pioneer...been there
alpine ...been there
eclipse....been there

after considering features performance ease of use and value for money based on what i wanted in a head unit i went with the pioneer dvd7500
dont let too much specs confuse your choice
list what you require take advice on sound quality output plus additional features then apply to the budget you want to spend and see what fits your pocket

if you want a decent all round unit go with the pioneer
if you are heading towards the sound q purists go alpine

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Postby Anton » November 8th, 2005, 10:56 am

if you want a decent all round unit go with the pioneer
if you are heading towards the sound q purists go alpine


Couldn't agree more

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Re: Premier 860 vs Alpine 9855

Postby simplicity » November 8th, 2005, 2:03 pm

Silvafoxx wrote:
Some Jack donkey thief me Pioneer Deh-7600mp :evil: :evil: :evil:


Oh GAD!!!!, look at trouble here, the man blame the prime minister yes !!!!!!
:twisted: :twisted:

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Postby xtrail » November 9th, 2005, 7:32 am

check the internet user reviews on the alpine. Users say that the glide touch is temperature sensitive. not working right when its cold. not a problem in t+t i suppose, but interesting. wonder what happens in our kinda heat?

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Postby fuzz_174 » November 9th, 2005, 12:32 pm

i believe they had this problem on the early alpine 9855 model..since then..alpine has recalled the 9855 and re designed the model around july 2005..chances are the review u read was written before this time..

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Postby mememe » November 9th, 2005, 11:40 pm

I'm using Pioneer but recommending Alpine :D

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Postby Silvafoxx » November 10th, 2005, 9:07 am

mememe wrote:I'm using Pioneer but recommending Alpine :D



Hey pardna fella, It come like this. Ah man with ah $3000- $4000 phone and using TSTT network, It jus not goin to work... :D :D

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Postby Neo » November 14th, 2005, 11:54 am

lol @ silvafoxx and silvafoxx i was comparing the same 2 head units too and i must admit the alpine 9855 is better heat unit but i choose the the pioneer 860 for alot cheaper

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Postby Tuner Imports » December 4th, 2005, 9:00 pm

i have put those exact 2 units 2 the test already but hear what happen the alpine hi-volt outputs drops ridiculously when it gets hot and thereby making the output power less... so it looks like alpine better do some more work on their decks fadda cause premier whoopin there asses since day 1, and still selling more headunits by far

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Postby audiopipe » December 4th, 2005, 9:52 pm

whey we have ah xpert on d tunner fellas

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Postby Silvafoxx » December 5th, 2005, 7:43 am

Ah could not get de Deh-860, So ah went for de Deh-8600, It sounds nice loud and clear

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Postby SR » December 5th, 2005, 10:21 am

SOUNDGOD_MODSHOP_INC. wrote:i have put those exact 2 units 2 the test already but hear what happen the alpine hi-volt outputs drops ridiculously when it gets hot and thereby making the output power less... so it looks like alpine better do some more work on their decks fadda cause premier whoopin there asses since day 1, and still selling more headunits by far


has this been done on a workbench or lab environment

how much was the voltage drop by
what voltage was measured from startup on both units and what voltage was measured when the deck got hot?

was this done with 1 specific frequency? or regular music?
what was the frequency if so?

was an osciloscope used to check for dist at rated voltage out?


please let us know so we can all make better choices

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Postby Tuner Imports » December 5th, 2005, 11:13 am

this experiment was done on a workbench, the voltage ridiculously dropped by 2volts on the alpine... the pioneer stood up on 6.2volts... bith units were played for the same time period...yes an oscilloscope was used in this test and a bass mechanic cd

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Postby SR » December 5th, 2005, 11:18 am

where u located need some use of the scope

what scope do you have is it single or dual trace

was the voltage meseure on all the outputs or just one?

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Postby simplicity » December 5th, 2005, 11:23 am

Oh damn, I bought the Alpine............sounding real sweet though...........

Was this test done on several different Alpine units?
You sure this was not a deffective unit you tried?

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Postby Tuner Imports » December 5th, 2005, 11:39 am

i'm located in chaguanas got the oscilloscope borrowed from a very good friend in SERVOL and yes its carries a dual trace signals... the voltage was measured of all just one output at a time we did measure all the rca outputs

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Postby SR » December 5th, 2005, 11:49 am

i have noticed that on alpine head units the voltage on the sub output is not as high as compared to a pioneer

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Postby Tuner Imports » December 5th, 2005, 11:53 pm

thats tru... which is actually great in terms of quality...the lower the voltage the more clarity the music will sound but it will also play softer

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Postby MonsterPower » December 6th, 2005, 12:55 am

SOUNDGOD_MODSHOP_INC. wrote:thats tru... which is actually great in terms of quality...the lower the voltage the more clarity the music will sound but it will also play softer


now this is a FIRST ..please elaborate soundgodmodshop i'm really interested

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