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De Dragon wrote:Flowery speech basically saying that she's mentoring a possible successor, while remaining fully in place. Sounds plausible, but sounds like holding on past your time as well, as those internals are fraught with postponements ,delays etc. Seems intent on joining the list of "pushed out"
K74T wrote:Proper vs poohar
randolphinshan wrote:K74T wrote:Proper vs poohar
So true PNM vs UNC is chalk and cheese and to think these jokers wanted to be the next government. All UNC good for us corruption and stealing from poor taxpayers
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:If the pnm get p/town, Kamla should definitely throw she frame
randolphinshan wrote:K74T wrote:Proper vs poohar
So true PNM vs UNC is chalk and cheese and to think these jokers wanted to be the next government. All UNC good for us corruption and stealing from poor taxpayers
matr1x wrote:randolphinshan wrote:K74T wrote:Proper vs poohar
So true PNM vs UNC is chalk and cheese and to think these jokers wanted to be the next government. All UNC good for us corruption and stealing from poor taxpayers
I sure they use state funds to give 40 grand for someone to organize that red table cloth
matr1x wrote:randolphinshan wrote:K74T wrote:Proper vs poohar
So true PNM vs UNC is chalk and cheese and to think these jokers wanted to be the next government. All UNC good for us corruption and stealing from poor taxpayers
I sure they use state funds to give 40 grand for someone to organize that red table cloth
j.o.e wrote:matr1x wrote:randolphinshan wrote:K74T wrote:Proper vs poohar
So true PNM vs UNC is chalk and cheese and to think these jokers wanted to be the next government. All UNC good for us corruption and stealing from poor taxpayers
I sure they use state funds to give 40 grand for someone to organize that red table cloth
Is how people love to accuse PNM of using state funds for party business and the PNM has actual fundraisers and membership fees etc.
UNC has none of the above, no proper headquarters and as someone who has done business with them are the worst in paying suppliers.
UNC need to work on their inner processes to become a better force also. Stop trying to activate every 5 years for elections and going back to sleep
Dizzy28 wrote:j.o.e wrote:matr1x wrote:randolphinshan wrote:K74T wrote:Proper vs poohar
So true PNM vs UNC is chalk and cheese and to think these jokers wanted to be the next government. All UNC good for us corruption and stealing from poor taxpayers
I sure they use state funds to give 40 grand for someone to organize that red table cloth
Is how people love to accuse PNM of using state funds for party business and the PNM has actual fundraisers and membership fees etc.
UNC has none of the above, no proper headquarters and as someone who has done business with them are the worst in paying suppliers.
UNC need to work on their inner processes to become a better force also. Stop trying to activate every 5 years for elections and going back to sleep
The coincidence that post the 2010 GE the PNM had to hold a number of very public fundraisers to pay back election suppliers to whom they went into debt with doesn't help with anyone's opinion that when in power they use the state machinery helps pay for campaigning.
No such fund raisers post 2007 and 2015 and we await and see what post 2020 holds.
So its either they got much better at raising funds or more logically they utilized state resources
j.o.e wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:j.o.e wrote:matr1x wrote:randolphinshan wrote:K74T wrote:Proper vs poohar
So true PNM vs UNC is chalk and cheese and to think these jokers wanted to be the next government. All UNC good for us corruption and stealing from poor taxpayers
I sure they use state funds to give 40 grand for someone to organize that red table cloth
Is how people love to accuse PNM of using state funds for party business and the PNM has actual fundraisers and membership fees etc.
UNC has none of the above, no proper headquarters and as someone who has done business with them are the worst in paying suppliers.
UNC need to work on their inner processes to become a better force also. Stop trying to activate every 5 years for elections and going back to sleep
The coincidence that post the 2010 GE the PNM had to hold a number of very public fundraisers to pay back election suppliers to whom they went into debt with doesn't help with anyone's opinion that when in power they use the state machinery helps pay for campaigning.
No such fund raisers post 2007 and 2015 and we await and see what post 2020 holds.
So its either they got much better at raising funds or more logically they utilized state resources
Fund raisers were related to the legal battles spoken about yesterday. The recurring costs of the party are well managed from what I’ve seen.
Many persons are hesitant to offer services to the UNC because of their history of non payment.
The_Honourable wrote:LOL devant on fire![]()
WHY THE UNC LOST THE 2020 ELECTIONS
Devant Maharaj
The 2020 General Elections many persons felt that is was a fait accompli that the United National Congress was a shoe in to win. UNC members were busy appointing Boards, Senators, and Ministers behind the scene so confident the party was. At one point, the party began to get high on its own supply and was oblivious to what was really happening in the elections. Why did the UNC lose the election given that the incumbent Peoples National Movement appeared to be the one of the most unpopular governments in recent memory? The behaviour of the UNC in and out of Parliament in the five years between 2015 and 2020 no doubt contributed towards the demise of the UNC electoral results as faux pas after faux pas had a cumulative effect on the image of the party. The contribution of the 2015-2020 requires another examination. The period of the elections and the decisions taken itself, however, has to be considered ultimately as the death knell for the UNC.
One of the critical factors that contributed to the demise of the UNC was the selection of candidates. Many have argued that the elections was essentially lost on nomination day. The choice of candidates indicated that the screening process, which was in itself humiliating and frustrating for the incumbents and newcomers alike appeared to be sham. It appeared that the candidates pre-selected and the screening was just a box to check. The UNC National Executive members, which voted to have the life of the Political Leader extended, appeared to be rewarded on nomination day. Virtually all of the NatEx members were given safe seats to fight the elections. These members undistinguished as the management committee of the party was rewarded for their blind loyalty rather than competency. Most of those selected had baggage, which made them politically unattractive a fact that the PNM exploited on the virtual hustings. Many undecided voters saw in the PNM candidates’ potential Ministers while in the UNC potential inmates.
The Covid 19 Pandemic had an impact on the elections in terms of voter turn our and perceptions of the incumbent PNM management of it. The UNC never presented itself properly as being able to handle the pandemic. Statements that said that sunlight killed the virus, putting a dome over the country, opening the borders, etc. drove off would be swing voters from the UNC. Ironically, the battery of doctors in the UNC’s camp did not assist in repairing this damage. The bland Minister of Health Coivd 19 press briefings made him a star on the national landscape despite his shortcomings and the UNC was never able to respond to satisfy the population.
Equally devastating was the UNC’s economic plan that included accessing the funds in the Unit Trust and National Insurance Board no doubt frightened many swing voters into the arms of the PNM. The party never communicated properly its fiscal or monetary policy. In the last week of the elections, the former Governor of the Central Bank unleashed a video but it was too late and ineffective.
The UNC’s marketing campaign was another instrumental failure that resulted in its demise. The racist advertisements, which no one appears to have seen or held responsible for, turned off the very voters they were hoping to attract. The speeches of the political leader, which also reflected sentiments, interpreted by many as similarly racists underscored the confused and disorganized nature of the campaign. The General Secretary and PRO of the party was candidates so there was no proper representation of the party’s message in the media. It was apparent that no-one who was qualified in marketing and public relations had anything to do with the UNC campaign.
The UNC’s virtual platform was uninspiring and just simply boring when compared to the dynamism of the PNM. The platform appeared to orbit around the political leader who delivered long-winded boring[DM1] speeches. Other speakers were easily forgotten before they completed. The entire process appeared to be designed to “Make Kamla Great Again”. Heavy hitters in the UNC oratory arsenal such as Roodal Moonilal, were benched and side-lined while the PNM had an onslaught of punchy speakers.
These issues formed the straws that broke the electorate back, as they piled upon the dismal track record of the UNC within the Parliament. The UNC fail to support the child-marriage bill, bail amendment bill, commissioner of police selection etc. added up. The noticeable absence of the leader of the opposition in many parliamentary debates, the cluelessness of the chief whip, the weakness of the Senate all were contributory factors why no one was inspired to swing in the director of the UNC.
The UNC once again failed to prepare for the election, which despite coming when it was constitutionally due was described as a snap election. All the marginal seats with the exception of La Horquetta Talparo were ignored by the UNC up to the election. The much touted One Corridor Movement of the UNC to attract additional votes on the East West Corridor fizzled out like a flat soft-drink. The UNC replacement for Jack Warner on the Corridor Deputy Political Leader Jearlen John got less votes than her UNC predecessor Jairam Seemungal as well as presided over a reduction of votes on the corridor.
The UNC as a party itself appears in the last five years to be developed as a fan club for the leader. The youth and women’s arm became cheerleaders to support the cause of the leader while the party school disappeared. The party’s presence withdrew from the corridor and retreated into deep south Trinidad. Former political leader Basdeo Panday carried the party by the scruff of its neck on the corridor holding meetings in Tobago, Arima Dial, St. Augustine HiLo Carpark, Sangre Grande Center, San Juan Main Road etc. while the incumbent took the party only into UNC enclaves in these areas. So in St. Joseph meetings were held in Bangladesh, in La Horquetta in Las Lomas, and totally abandoned Tobago as part of the country.
All these factors reflect on the deficient leadership of the party and buttress the calls for the Leader of the Opposition and Political Leader to step down and make way for free and fair internal elections. The excuses and lack of accountability of the leadership for these failures cannot be explained away into the night. The gender card has been played too many times to excuse poor leadership. The victim role has been played too many times to explain indecisiveness. The narrative fed to the UNC base that the EBC and PNM colluded somehow to steal the election is not only vulgar but an insult to the intelligence of the very swing voters who the UNC hoped it would attract. We all know that only Party Elections not National Elections are not rigged.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 1318549686
VexXx Dogg wrote:The_Honourable wrote:LOL devant on fire![]()
WHY THE UNC LOST THE 2020 ELECTIONS
Devant Maharaj
The 2020 General Elections many persons felt that is was a fait accompli that the United National Congress was a shoe in to win. UNC members were busy appointing Boards, Senators, and Ministers behind the scene so confident the party was. At one point, the party began to get high on its own supply and was oblivious to what was really happening in the elections. Why did the UNC lose the election given that the incumbent Peoples National Movement appeared to be the one of the most unpopular governments in recent memory? The behaviour of the UNC in and out of Parliament in the five years between 2015 and 2020 no doubt contributed towards the demise of the UNC electoral results as faux pas after faux pas had a cumulative effect on the image of the party. The contribution of the 2015-2020 requires another examination. The period of the elections and the decisions taken itself, however, has to be considered ultimately as the death knell for the UNC.
One of the critical factors that contributed to the demise of the UNC was the selection of candidates. Many have argued that the elections was essentially lost on nomination day. The choice of candidates indicated that the screening process, which was in itself humiliating and frustrating for the incumbents and newcomers alike appeared to be sham. It appeared that the candidates pre-selected and the screening was just a box to check. The UNC National Executive members, which voted to have the life of the Political Leader extended, appeared to be rewarded on nomination day. Virtually all of the NatEx members were given safe seats to fight the elections. These members undistinguished as the management committee of the party was rewarded for their blind loyalty rather than competency. Most of those selected had baggage, which made them politically unattractive a fact that the PNM exploited on the virtual hustings. Many undecided voters saw in the PNM candidates’ potential Ministers while in the UNC potential inmates.
The Covid 19 Pandemic had an impact on the elections in terms of voter turn our and perceptions of the incumbent PNM management of it. The UNC never presented itself properly as being able to handle the pandemic. Statements that said that sunlight killed the virus, putting a dome over the country, opening the borders, etc. drove off would be swing voters from the UNC. Ironically, the battery of doctors in the UNC’s camp did not assist in repairing this damage. The bland Minister of Health Coivd 19 press briefings made him a star on the national landscape despite his shortcomings and the UNC was never able to respond to satisfy the population.
Equally devastating was the UNC’s economic plan that included accessing the funds in the Unit Trust and National Insurance Board no doubt frightened many swing voters into the arms of the PNM. The party never communicated properly its fiscal or monetary policy. In the last week of the elections, the former Governor of the Central Bank unleashed a video but it was too late and ineffective.
The UNC’s marketing campaign was another instrumental failure that resulted in its demise. The racist advertisements, which no one appears to have seen or held responsible for, turned off the very voters they were hoping to attract. The speeches of the political leader, which also reflected sentiments, interpreted by many as similarly racists underscored the confused and disorganized nature of the campaign. The General Secretary and PRO of the party was candidates so there was no proper representation of the party’s message in the media. It was apparent that no-one who was qualified in marketing and public relations had anything to do with the UNC campaign.
The UNC’s virtual platform was uninspiring and just simply boring when compared to the dynamism of the PNM. The platform appeared to orbit around the political leader who delivered long-winded boring[DM1] speeches. Other speakers were easily forgotten before they completed. The entire process appeared to be designed to “Make Kamla Great Again”. Heavy hitters in the UNC oratory arsenal such as Roodal Moonilal, were benched and side-lined while the PNM had an onslaught of punchy speakers.
These issues formed the straws that broke the electorate back, as they piled upon the dismal track record of the UNC within the Parliament. The UNC fail to support the child-marriage bill, bail amendment bill, commissioner of police selection etc. added up. The noticeable absence of the leader of the opposition in many parliamentary debates, the cluelessness of the chief whip, the weakness of the Senate all were contributory factors why no one was inspired to swing in the director of the UNC.
The UNC once again failed to prepare for the election, which despite coming when it was constitutionally due was described as a snap election. All the marginal seats with the exception of La Horquetta Talparo were ignored by the UNC up to the election. The much touted One Corridor Movement of the UNC to attract additional votes on the East West Corridor fizzled out like a flat soft-drink. The UNC replacement for Jack Warner on the Corridor Deputy Political Leader Jearlen John got less votes than her UNC predecessor Jairam Seemungal as well as presided over a reduction of votes on the corridor.
The UNC as a party itself appears in the last five years to be developed as a fan club for the leader. The youth and women’s arm became cheerleaders to support the cause of the leader while the party school disappeared. The party’s presence withdrew from the corridor and retreated into deep south Trinidad. Former political leader Basdeo Panday carried the party by the scruff of its neck on the corridor holding meetings in Tobago, Arima Dial, St. Augustine HiLo Carpark, Sangre Grande Center, San Juan Main Road etc. while the incumbent took the party only into UNC enclaves in these areas. So in St. Joseph meetings were held in Bangladesh, in La Horquetta in Las Lomas, and totally abandoned Tobago as part of the country.
All these factors reflect on the deficient leadership of the party and buttress the calls for the Leader of the Opposition and Political Leader to step down and make way for free and fair internal elections. The excuses and lack of accountability of the leadership for these failures cannot be explained away into the night. The gender card has been played too many times to excuse poor leadership. The victim role has been played too many times to explain indecisiveness. The narrative fed to the UNC base that the EBC and PNM colluded somehow to steal the election is not only vulgar but an insult to the intelligence of the very swing voters who the UNC hoped it would attract. We all know that only Party Elections not National Elections are not rigged.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 1318549686
I can confirm this was happening - first hand source was very surprised that a former shitbag head of a state org was calling him with a new org plan before the election
I was wondering if this is normal practice or if they were really that overconfident.
MG Man wrote:you had 5 years to plan
Take a year to lick wounds, cry, point fingers, regroup, drink rum
Four years to work on your PR, identify, groom and market new blood
Four years to contribute sensibly to parliamentary debates
Four years to make a difference within the limits of being the opposition
Months to rise above the gutterism and support Keith on Covid
But nah, fk around and get caught out by a 'snap' election, and dig out the old shitbag of tricks
Better party won
MG Man wrote:you had 5 years to plan
Take a year to lick wounds, cry, point fingers, regroup, drink rum
Four years to work on your PR, identify, groom and market new blood
Four years to contribute sensibly to parliamentary debates
Four years to make a difference within the limits of being the opposition
Months to rise above the gutterism and support Keith on Covid
But nah, fk around and get caught out by a 'snap' election, and dig out the old shitbag of tricks
Better party won
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