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In-Car Child safety.

Postby janfar » September 18th, 2014, 5:34 pm

Surprised there is not a 10 page thread on this already.

What are you guys using for child seat. I managed to get a Recaro Coupe which is really nice and secures easily in the car. What I wanted to know is, do new cars in Trinidad come with the LATCH system which most baby seats come with now?

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby Michael Knight... » September 18th, 2014, 10:08 pm

I use the Graco brand car seat. It has side impact protection ans allows for the straps to be fastened to the sections of the back seat that bolt to the chassis of the car.

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 18th, 2014, 10:54 pm

Been using a Recaro Young Sport about 6 years now for my now 7 year old with zero complaints. I really like the safety and he likes the seat!

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby janfar » September 19th, 2014, 7:29 am

I got the Recaro Coupe as I had already purchased the Recaro Denali stroller which both work together.

Sadly, me being over ambitious also ordered the Recaro Performance Ride which is pretty big.

http://recaropromotion.com/performance-coupe.html
http://recaropromotion.com/performance-denali.html

http://recaropromotion.com/performance-ride.html


I know a couple months back one of my idiot cousins was charged by police for having his toddler sleeping on the back seat alone while he was driving trying to make her sleep. No safetybelts, no seats or anything. Still people travel in taxis with all while holding their kids on their laps.

I'm suprised we in dont have more injuries and fatalities of babies during vehicular accidents in Trinidad.

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby nere » September 19th, 2014, 8:29 am

As you guys talking about this I want to know the car seat for a toddler and a new born how should they be both positioned in a car? Both of them in the back seat or one in the back seat and the other in the front seat?

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby pete » September 19th, 2014, 8:51 am

Both in the back seat. We talked about that before though. Ideally put the toddler by the window, infant in the middle so that if someone wants to sit in the back with them they can sit on the other side.

I have been driving around my daughter with nobody else in the car since I had to take her for her first shot.

I did buy a mirror that I was able to fasten around the headrest so that I could keep an eye on her from in front though.

Also, I think that putting them in the car seat from the start and never holding them while driving will reduce the frustration in trying to put them in the car seat later on. My daughter has never had problems being in the car seat and has finally started putting her arms behind the straps etc making it even easier to put her in.

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby nere » September 19th, 2014, 9:06 am

Ok cool, but only thing is that if both seats are in back I am not seeing that the mother cannot sit there cause the space is to small or any kind of movements. My toddler normally sit behind the driver and looking at putting the baby either in the center or behind the passenger seat.

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby janfar » September 19th, 2014, 9:10 am

I think that middle of the seat is a good idea. Do cars come with that LATCH for the middle seat as well or would I have to resort to the seat belt. I really like the convenience of the LATCH.

The only thing about the Recaro's are the bulkyness. I surely cannot fit in the passenger seat with the infant seat behind it... and this is a Ford Explorer we have. Cant imagine what it would look like in a smaller car like a B15 or a Corolla.

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby dogg » July 14th, 2020, 3:32 pm

I have a couple novice questions WRT convertible child seats.

After the base is removed, how is it secured on the seat?
Just with the vehicles seat belt?
In the event there is an accident, wouldn't the weight of the convertible seat press against the child's chest?
And how it the seat secured when its not being used, if there isn't a base?

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby Dizzy28 » July 14th, 2020, 3:47 pm

dogg wrote:I have a couple novice questions WRT convertible child seats.

After the base is removed, how is it secured on the seat?
Just with the vehicles seat belt?
In the event there is an accident, wouldn't the weight of the convertible seat press against the child's chest?
And how it the seat secured when its not being used, if there isn't a base?


In moving up in car seats I bought a Cosco 2 in 1 booster with no base. It still uses the 5 point harness of the carseat itself up to 65lbs. The seat belt doesnt come into play for a while.

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby Nexus » July 14th, 2020, 3:50 pm

Also usually there are belts that are used to anchor to the back of the backseats or to the area in front of the rear windscreen

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby dogg » July 14th, 2020, 4:15 pm

so after the base is removed, the child wouldn't bear the weight of the convertible seat in the event of an accident right?
There's a a belt that handles that? can you link an example?

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby carluva » July 14th, 2020, 4:58 pm

Dogg, I'd love to help but I'm not sure what you are asking. Can you shed some light and also, how old is the infant in question?
dogg wrote:I have a couple novice questions WRT convertible child seats.

After the base is removed, how is it secured on the seat?
Just with the vehicles seat belt?
In the event there is an accident, wouldn't the weight of the convertible seat press against the child's chest?
And how it the seat secured when its not being used, if there isn't a base?

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby dogg » July 14th, 2020, 5:08 pm

carluva wrote:Dogg, I'd love to help but I'm not sure what you are asking. Can you shed some light and also, how old is the infant in question?
dogg wrote:I have a couple novice questions WRT convertible child seats.

After the base is removed, how is it secured on the seat?
Just with the vehicles seat belt?
In the event there is an accident, wouldn't the weight of the convertible seat press against the child's chest?
And how it the seat secured when its not being used, if there isn't a base?


The child seat we have now is convertible, it has a base that's tethered to the LATCH hooks.

The child is 5. I want do away with the base but I'm uncertain as to how to secure the base-less seat.
What holds it in place? would its weight press against the child when the car comes to a sudden stop?

this is the seat in question
http://download.gracobaby.com/ProductIn ... 63434A.pdf

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby carluva » July 14th, 2020, 9:19 pm

So Dogg, from my personal experiences I'll share a few things

1) A booster seat is held in place by the seat belt when the child is seated. There is no need for a latch (or isofix). Do some research and you'll find that seat belts are far superior to latch anchors beyond a certain weight. So once the child is seated in the booster and correctly using the vehicle's seat belt, the seat belt restrains the child while in the seat in the event of an impact. Therefore, any risks of crushing are minimised.

2) Transitioning a child from one type of seat to another is never based on age. It is based on weight and height. Car seat manuals use guides for ages based on typical weights and heights. But you will appreciate that you can have a "hefty" 5 year old who is more than 40 lbs compared to one who is more petite and less than 40 lbs.

Do not be in a rush to transition kiddo into a booster seat just because he/she is 5. I have a small 6 year old who is still in five point harness forward facing. And I have a normal size 10 year old still in full booster but with seat belts.

Booster seats should be used until the child can firmly plant his/her feet flat on the floor while properly seated on the vehicle's seat.

So, unless you kid meets the criteria for a booster seat, I'd advise don't rush it and keep him/her in the five point harness for as long as possible.

3) At some point, you may want to use the vehicle's set belt to secure the car seat, if the child is still in a forward facing five point harness. Make sure you always use top tether. Failure to do so nullifies the purpose of a car seat and quite possibly run the risk of that crushing that you are concerned about.

4) Car seats have expiry dates. Typically if it's not posted on the labels on the car seat, assume 5-6 years from date of manufacture (which is always posted on labels). If you can't find a manufacture date on your car seat I'd advise to discard. If you are buying a new seat, make sure you can see the manufacture date, else don't buy. If I may be so bold, I'd recommend you invest in a new seat that can work as forward facing with five point harness and which can transition to booster. That way, you have a good new seat that'll last 5 more years. And toss the Graco.

5) If buying a new seat, look for one that has good side impact stiffeners, such as Diono Rodian. Those are good seats. I also recommend Britax. I use them both and quite like both.

6) Most importantly, ask questions and research if you are not sure. As you are the parent, do the safe thing for your child and do not skimp on money when it comes to you child's vehicle safety. $2,500 is a small price to pay for the safety of you lil one in the vehicle. It's money well spent.

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby francis1979 » July 14th, 2020, 11:07 pm

Adding to #5.
If your vehicle does not have hooks for car seats. I recommend Britax car seats with ClickTight Technology.

The benefit of the technology is that the seat is installed perfect with little effort and seat belts remain tight.

It is a little difficult to explain how it is achieved .
But there are many videos on YouTube

Go to 45sec on the video for actual installation / demonstration
https://youtu.be/fbDFMYprhJ8

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby carluva » July 14th, 2020, 11:36 pm

Yes francis. That click tight is so solid, it's unbelievable. I concur.

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby dogg » July 15th, 2020, 11:04 am

Thanks!

I have a concern. If only the car's seatbelts are holding down the booster seat, in the event of an accident, wouldn't it's considerable weight press against the child's bday if there's nothing else tethering it?

And just the seatbelts hold it in place when its not in use?

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Re: In-Car Child safety.

Postby carluva » July 15th, 2020, 12:08 pm

Have a look at this link. Maybe it should shed some more light on what I typed earlier.

https://www.healthychildren.org/English ... ilies.aspx


dogg wrote:
If only the car's seatbelts are holding down the booster seat, in the event of an accident, wouldn't it's considerable weight press against the child's bday if there's nothing else tethering it?



A booster seat is not that heavy. Typically a dedicated booster seat is 10 or less pounds in weight. They key to using booster seat with vehicle seat belts is proper placement of the shoulder strap and the lap strap. That is why good booster have a specific path to route the vehicle's seat belt so that the shoulder strap is properly positioned across the child once he/she is seated. This is where the height of the child is important.

I use a Britax Parkway for my 10 year old. In addition to the shoulder positioning route, there is also a crotch loop to ensure that the lap belt is properly positioned on the child.

You can glean that if a child is transitioned too early to a booster seat, there is a real risk of improper restraint in the event of an accident and even the real possibility of the child slipping out of the seat and well....

However, once the child is properly seated in the booster seat and the vehicle's set belts are properly routed, then in impact, the seat belt restrains itself and the effect is the same as that on an adult. I cannot see any added risk of crushing but as with everything else, the momentum of the vehicle in the crash is transferred to the body during impact. So the greater the momentum the greater the chance of some injury or bruising due to being restrained in an impact. Truth be told, I don't think any car seat manufacturer would ever allow a seat to be sold or used if any of your concerns were realised. Remember the booster seat sits on the vehicle seat and the vehicle seat belt restrains the child in the booster seat.

If however you are using a forward facing 5 point harness, then either latch (or isofix) and top tether OR the vehicles seat belt and top tether is used to secure the seat to the vehicle and then the 5 point harness of the car seat secures the child to the seat. Never use a forward facing 5 point harness car set without top tether, unless the manufacturer specifically advises so.

dogg wrote:
And just the seatbelts hold it in place when its not in use?


When not is use, remove the seat from the car or put in the trunk. if not possible, then yes, secure the booster in place with the vehicle set belt to prevent it from becoming a projectile in a collision. The Britax Parkway I have has clips that attach to the latch (or isofix) anchors in the vehicle for the sole purpose of securing the seat whilst not in use and to prevent it from becoming a projectile. When my 10 year old is seated, the vehicle's seat belts are used.

Dogg, I'd really advise that unless your 5 year old is either very tall or a bit hefty, you stick to the 5 point harness in forward facing mode. I read through the manual you sent and there's really no need to rush to transition to a booster seat, I'd also advise that when you are ready to transition to a booster seat that you get the dedicated booster that is much lighter and less cumbersome to work with.

Remember also that the car seats also have a life and this is really due to the plastic becoming weaker due to use and exposure to the sunlight and heat. PTN - have you ever seen what PVC pipe gets like if left exposed for a length of time in the weather? The pipe becomes brittle and will crack or deform when cut. This is the same concept that applied to the plastics in a car seat and why its advised to replace after a few years. Yeah I know that it could also be a marketing gimmick in order to boost sales of car seats, yada yada. But as I said a while ago, I won't risk being frugal when it comes to the safety of my lil ones in what is the greatest and most deadly weapon of all times (i.e. the vehicle).

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