After the pandemic-How the world will change and dealings with China

[The_Honourable]

A warning to T&T also?

A new report claims that State-owned Chinese companies are looking for investment opportunities in Europe. European countries fear hostile takeovers of businesses by China.

[88sins]

The PRC has been on a massive expansion drive over the last several years, this is not a new development. What do you think the belt and road initiatives was about? We lend your poor country money to develop assets, you pay back with interest. If you can't pay, we take ownership of the asset and all the revenue it generates. Moving on to acquire corporations would be the next logical step for them, as it plays into their strengths they developed over the last few decades (manufacturing, marketing and distribution, global supplier)

However, that is something nobody anywhere wants. The view being, if they were left to their own devices they would slowly build key assets in every country around the globe in an effort to create a global monopoly where they would control everything from the best means for shipping and logistics, to production, to distribution. They will acquire some corporations or at least a percentage in some of them, but I believe they will get some governmental opposition as well, enough to slow them down if not dissuade them entirely.

It come like everyone playing chess, and in comes China. They cry they have no pieces, and through manipulation they quickly and quietly buy as much as they can of everybody's pieces. and when they have more pieces in total than any other individual, they tell you now we playing draughts and if you want some pieces back you have to play for them, while they use all dozens of the pieces they have and you sorely ill equipped with your few. How do you win again that? You don't unless they let you, and they won't.

[VexXx Dogg]

List the countries who are _not_ in debt to China.

The issue post-covid is that of reverse globalization - which is not an entirely new concept. It's been bandied about since every recession.

[88sins]

List the countries who are _not_ in debt to China.

dat go be a rell short list
I believe Guam might be the only country on that list, considering it's a U.S. territory utilized primarily as a military staging post

[sekhar_777]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/china-waited-6-days-to-warn-about-likely-coronavirus-pandemic/

But, according to experts interviewed by the AP, it’s clear that Beijing’s bureaucratic hurdles, stranglehold on information, lack of transparency and reluctance to deliver bad news up the chain of command stifled early warnings.

[88sins]

not sure how objective or reliable they are, but this don't look good

[The_Honourable]

not sure how objective or reliable they are, but this don't look good

So far, true: https://news.yahoo.com/china-rejects-al ... 56079.html

[bluefete]

Disruption in the global food supply chain and huge rise in unemployment are key issues.

It will take a few months but when people start to see key items not being replenished in the grocery then the full reality of this will hit them. I am seeing it already.

When people have no jobs to earn money to buy food that is another issue.

Trump wants to put people back to work so he may have done some calculations of the risk versus new deaths. He may be willing to sacrifice many lives to get the US economy moving.

[adnj]

African diaspora questions China relationship after spike in discrimination over Covid-19

Charles PELLEGRIN

A spike in racial discrimination in China prompted by fears over the Covid-19 pandemic has led some in the African diapora to reevaluate the relationship between the African continent and Beijing.



Over the past week, footage has been published on social media showing Africans in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou being evicted from their apartments, refused access to hotels or restaurants, and being forced to sleep on the streets. These incidents occurred ostensibly as part of efforts to halt the spread of Covid-19 in the country but have led to a diplomatic crisis between Beijing and African nations.

The images sparked outrage across Africa, with the hashtag #chinamustexplain trending on Twitter and Chinese ambassadors being summoned by irate officials in Nigeria and Ghana, to name but a few. African ambassadors in China wrote to the foreign minister this week over what they called the "stigmatisation and discrimination" being faced by their citizens.

Beijing initially chose to dismiss and deny the accounts of unfair treatment.

“We do not have discrimination in China against African brothers,” foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said on Monday. He then accused the United States of trying to exploit the issue to undermine China's relations with Africa. The statement came after a group of African ambassadors in Beijing expressed concern over numerous reports of Africans being forced into quarantine or being singled out for scrutiny by health authorities.

The tone then appeared to soften, as China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi spoke on the phone with Moussa Faki Mahamat, the chairperson of the African Union Commission, with Wang assuring Mahamat that measures were being taken to improve the situation of Africans in Guanghzou. Mahamat later described the relationship between China and Africa in a tweet as being "strong and brotherly". It now appears that most of the displaced Africans in Guangzhou have found places to stay and that city authorities are engaging in consultations with the African community as well as academics to repair the relationship.

On Monday, ambassadors and envoys from more than 20 African nations met with China's assistant minister of foreign affairs, Chen Xiaodong. Chen vowed to lift the health measures aimed at African residents except for those with confirmed cases of Covid-19, AFP reported.  

Over the past 20 years, China has become an increasingly influential presence on the continent as Africa's natural resources have helped fuel the country's meteoric economic development. According to data from Johns Hopkins University, the Chinese government as well as its banks and companies have lent some $143 billion to Africa between 2000 and 2017, often to finance large infrastructure projects. Recent estimates put the number of Chinese citizens currently residing in Africa at one million while some 200,000 Africans live and work in China.

But for some within the African diaspora, the events of the past week have signaled a change in how they view the China-Africa relationship. Nillah Nyakoa, a Kenyan citizen who has been living in China since 2009 and who works for China Radio International, told FRANCE 24 that the events of the past few weeks might change her view on her host country as imbalances in the relationship come to the fore.

"I've called China home for so many years, my narrative has always been about pushing a positive image about China because of my experiences. But when I see my fellow African people being treated as second-class citizens, obviously it makes me want to change my mind."

"We give good treatment to Chinese people in Africa and it's not being reciprocated," she added.

For Samantha Sibanda, the founder of the Appreciate Africa Network, this discrimination has always been present. Her organisation has been trying to counteract the negative perception of Africans in China since 2013 and organises an annual Pride of Africa Asia Award to promote the achievements of her fellow Africans in China.

"People are blowing things out of proportion; this is not new for me,” she said. “This is what we go through every other day." She cites the difficulty Africans face in obtaining visas or securing equal pay, and said these difficulties will remain even once the pandemic is over.

As for the recent incidents, she said African governments – which have a responsibility to defend the interests of their citizens in China – and media coverage are both to blame.

"Chinese people are never shown Africans doing well in China," Sibanda said.

[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/20200414-african-diaspora-questions-china-relationship-after-spike-in-discrimination-over-covid-19
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[Redman]

When you lend billions to someone-it comes with strings....

[88sins]

more like ht cable
but Africa ain't known for being easy to deal with, so loan or no loan, expect backlash

[Dizzy28]

more like ht cable
but Africa ain't known for being easy to deal with, so loan or no loan, expect backlash

Not many African countries have leaders with integrity either. Some well placed Chinese bribes and it would be respective African countries own armies coming down on them should they try to do anything to harm Chinese interests in their country.

[88sins]

more like ht cable
but Africa ain't known for being easy to deal with, so loan or no loan, expect backlash

Not many African countries have leaders with integrity either. Some well placed Chinese bribes and it would be respective African countries own armies coming down on them should they try to do anything to harm Chinese interests in their country.

true
but within recent times it appears as though many are trying to alter the long standing stereotype that all African leaders corrupt & would sell and kill their own people for a shiny new bauble.
just gotta wait & see how this unravels

[adnj]

more like ht cable
but Africa ain't known for being easy to deal with, so loan or no loan, expect backlash

Not many African countries have leaders with integrity either. Some well placed Chinese bribes and it would be respective African countries own armies coming down on them should they try to do anything to harm Chinese interests in their country.

true
but within recent times it appears as though many are trying to alter the long standing stereotype that all African leaders corrupt & would sell and kill their own people for a shiny new bauble.
just gotta wait & see how this unravels

Like with business reforms, much of the progress made by African countries on the corruption index has been seen in smaller nations with Seychelles, Botswana and Cabo Verde topping the African rankings on the index. Indeed, of the ten highest ranked country on the index, only South Africa counts among Africa’s top five economies.

With a score of 44, South Africa ranks just above the global average. It’s a score that could have been higher but for several high level corruption cases over the two years, including the “State Capture” scandal that resulted in president Jacob Zuma’s resignation. Going forward the implementation of a political campaign finance law could also boost its anti-corruption ratings.

[URL]https://qz.com/africa/1791822/which-are-the-most-corrupt-countries-in-africa/
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[88sins]

baby steps son, baby steps. hadda creep before you can stand.
In time with effort they'll get to where the mistakes of the past will be little more than a bad memory, but till then like I said, they seem to be working on changing that culture of corruption.

[matr1x]

China is the disease in the long run. Shark fin soup....

[hydroep]

[88sins]

As that reporters mentioned, a lawsuit against China is unlikely to be winnable, much less bring forward any financial compensation for all the devastation caused by this pandemic.
But what will hurt the CCP most is 2 things, one is losing trade opportunities by way of embargos and suspension of trade agreements, which equates to their economy contracting further before it comes to a dead stop. They will be forced to either comply, or pay the price by having their economy decimated. The other would be to cease to honor any and all contractual debt payments and seize all assets owned by Chinese companies in all other countries.

I not expecting anything to come out of that fellas attempt at a suit. But if nations want to force them to be honest and forthcoming and to offer some sort of compensation there's for sovereign nations ways to motivate them to do so.

[The_Honourable]

Trump plans action against China, WHO for failing to stop spread of coronavirus


President Donald Trump speaks during a meeting about the coronavirus with Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards, not pictured, in the Oval Office of the White House, Wednesday, April 29, 2020, in Washington.

President Trump said Wednesday his administration is developing “very distinct” recommendations to hold the World Health Organization and China accountable for the spread of COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus.

“We’re not happy about it, and we are by far the largest contributor to WHO,” Mr. Trump told reporters during an Oval Office meeting with Louisiana’s governor. “They misled us. They’re literally a pipe organ for China.”

The president has instructed U.S. intelligence agencies to look into whether the WHO and China withheld information about the coronavirus pandemic earlier this year.

“It’s coming in, I’m getting pieces already,” Mr. Trump said of the probe. “There’s nothing positive about what happened in China.”

The president said he will be coming out soon with a recommendation about the WHO, “with China to follow.”

Mr. Trump reiterated that the disease “could have been stopped at the source” in Wuhan, China, late last year. Since reaching the U.S. in January, the virus has infected more than 1 million Americans and claimed the lives of more than 58,000.

“They should have been able to stop it,” the president said of WHO and the Chinese government. “And then why did China allow planes to fly out, but not into China? Planes were coming out of Wuhan, and going all over the world. They were going to Italy, very big time to Italy. But they’re not going into China. What was that all about? We’re not happy with it.”

Mr. Trump noted that he wrapped up a trade deal at the White House in January with Chinese officials as the crisis was worsening in China. But he said Chinese officials didn’t warn him.

“You would have thought that somebody could have said, ‘Hey.’ They could have stopped it at the source,” Mr. Trump said. “They didn’t have to let airplanes fly out, and loads of people come out.”

The president banned travelers from China on Jan. 31, except for thousands of U.S. citizens returning.

The president already has suspended U.S. contributions to the WHO, saying he wanted a review of the organization’s actions at the start of the pandemic. The U.S. contributes about $400 million per year to the WHO.

Source: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... nd-who-fa/

[maj. tom]

But who didn't stop the spread of the virus within USA? Trump is one narcissistic ass clown eh.

[shogun]

lol. Suing over the same virus that they were claiming would "disappear" was "no worse than the flu" and was basically downplaying not long ago, while encouraging people to congregate in public and protest? I wish him good luck.

Gotta keep them lemmings juiced. It's scapegoat/shift all of the responsibility time again.

[The_Honourable]

Meanwhile, China and Australia are now in a diplomatic spat.

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[adnj]

11:23. 27 Apr

Africans face arbitrary detention in Guangzhou, rights groups say

Danny Vincent

BBC News, Hong Kong

International human rights groups have told the BBC that reports of "forced quarantine" of African nationals in the Chinese city of Guangzhou amounts to “arbitrary detention".

For weeks, Africans in the southern Chinese city say they have faced discrimination over fears that coronavirus is spreading among African communities.

The BBC has been told that Africans nationals have faced extended quarantine in hotels, hospitals wards and university campuses, despite testing negative for the virus on multiple occasions.

“Singling out Africans and forcibly quarantining them in hotels despite having been tested negative for coronavirus, not having travelled outside of China recently or not having been in contact with people who are known to be infected, amounts to arbitrary detention,” said Yaqiu Wang from Human Rights Watch.

The Chinese government has denied allegations of discrimination. But it says health authorities have tested every African in the city.

“In this instance, if people are being put into quarantine with no reference to specific and relevant medical indications, but rather simply because of the colour of their skin or their country of origin, we would consider that to be a form of arbitrary detention and a violation of international law,” says Joshua Rosenzweig from Amnesty international.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world/asia/china

[88sins]

Seems like the CCP's efforts to shift blame are drawing the kind of attention they don't want.
Those types of thinly veiled threats of economic coercion against the Aussies won't work though. People want the truth, and they are getting to the point where they realize that they won't get it from the CCP unless they dig for it themselves and force them to come clean. And China for decades has been known to be more than a little selective about what it puts out and calls the truth.
Something tells me that in the long run, if the CCP keeps up this blame shifting game and unwillingness to be open and honest about this coronavirus outbreak nations around the world may begin to put some serious distance between themselves and China, not only economically and trade wise but this has the potential for them to start reconsidering their immigration policies with China as well.


When people fed up, you could threaten all yuh want they fed up and will do what they feel they must to secure themselves and penalize offenders for endangering their lives whether China likes it or not.

[Cantmis]

https://www.nycaribnews.com/articles/ch ... t-company/

[hydroep]

Sky News ran a story on the calls for Australia to hold China accountable for the crisis. Unsurprisingly, a mining magnate — whose business exports heavily to China — warned against doing so, suggesting instead there should be a "Worldwide Inquiry".

In other words: "doh upset the gravy train nuh".

Which begs the question: Would T&T join any movement to hold the Chinese accountable, given their investments in the region?

Probably not...

[88sins]

Sky News ran a story on the calls for Australia to hold China accountable for the crisis. Unsurprisingly, a mining magnate — whose business exports heavily to China — warned against doing so, suggesting instead there should be a "Worldwide Inquiry".

In other words: "doh upset the gravy train nuh".

Which begs the question: Would T&T join any movement to hold the Chinese accountable, given their investments in the region?

Probably not...

these arse-eaters we have here? The ones that pander to the whims of the local inbred diseased ketch-arse wannabe bigshots & dare not cross them? Especially since China has planted themselves very close by & they banking on them to provide financing to facilitate giving the aforementioned ketch-arse wannabes lucrative contracts.

what you think?

[FrankChag]

The one thing that stuck with me from my history lessons is how some folks are suspiciously well poised to take advantage of a global crisis, like the 1930s and the 70s and 80s, and 2008.

Every global economic deflation has its winners, and China, whether they engineered this or not, are not coming out of this empty-handed. Belt and road already has them well set for regional and global domination.

Trump, the idiot that he is, might actually be the wildcard that was slowing them down.

[rspann]

more like ht cable
but Africa ain't known for being easy to deal with, so loan or no loan, expect backlash

Not many African countries have leaders with integrity either. Some well placed Chinese bribes and it would be respective African countries own armies coming down on them should they try to do anything to harm Chinese interests in their country.

true
but within recent times it appears as though many are trying to alter the long standing stereotype that all African leaders corrupt & would sell and kill their own people for a shiny new bauble.
just gotta wait & see how this unravels

There are Wabenzis in nearly every African Gov't , so corruption might be hard to weed out .

[matr1x]

Maybe trump is the hero we need but don't deserve......