Red House Reopening Friday 24th Jan 2020

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Has it rain in POS in the last month?
Specifically has it rained on the red house since the roofing job was complete??

Obeah from zr

[rspann]

...and just imagine the man say they are the best company in the world for that and come here to teach locals. It hadda be either obeah or blight.

[Redman]

It seems that we cant get it right---they had to fkin know it was leaking.....

[sMASH]

anybody get the tappolin contract for red house? it raining in south again. might get sumting in north.

[pugboy]

i have cardboard to sell

[matr1x]

They announced that they will be using weekes and Marlene drawers to cover the red house

[Rovin]

its alleged d speaker of d house has a company that got work on d redhouse ....

https://www.facebook.com/groups/unctt/p ... 336105122/

[matr1x]

Oooohhhhhh!!!


Nice!

[Cantmis]

When are we blaming Kamla for the leak ?

[The_Honourable]

FLY-BY-NIGHT RED HOUSE CONTRACT EXPOSED

While a shower of rain exposed shoddy work and a leaking roof, a shower of leaked documents is posing grave questions about contractor selection for other aspects of the half-a-billion‐dollar Red House renovations.

How did a fly-by-night company with no known track record; no share capital; and headed by a principal director who was previously charged for BIR fraud, manage to bag a sweetheart $51.25 million Red House contract? The $51.25 million price tag was the second largest slice of the Red House refurbishment money pie, for installation of windows and doors.

It was awarded to ASAT Innovation Construction Co Ltd of No. 3 Eastern Main Road, Tacarigua.

Some are questioning whether windows and doors installed at the Red House have gold-plated frames and whether or not they are bullet and bomb-proof to justify the exhorbitant price tag?

According to documents filed with the Registrar General Department, ASAT Innovation Construction Co Ltd was incorporated on April 3, 2012. Records show that the company has two directors. They are Shultz Isahac and Tamara Singh, who both share the same address at 15 Rainbow Cresent, Five Rivers Arouca.

ASAT Innovation Construction Co Ltd has no share capital (nada, zilch, zero), according to documents representing the company's annual returns filed with the Registrar General Department.

Isahac was charged with attempting to defraud the Board of Inland Revenue (BIR) by "under reporting" quarterly VAT returns for R2K Engineering Co Ltd during the period October 2004 to June 2005 (Trinidad Guardian April 14, 2011). He was a director at R2K. Another director had pleaded guilty on behalf of the company. The charges against Shultz were subsequently dropped after he entered into a plea agreement to repay the understated back taxes.

But new questions are bubbling over how his new company managed to wiggle into the lucrative Red House contract.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/siewdath.persa ... 5421455819

[rspann]

Serious question. I just heard on a talk show , from a staunch PNMite who says it like it is, that the Red House is made of Tapia ( mud and straw) and that is why the retrofitting and all the termite work was done. Anybody could shed some light? It was Richard Noray who is PNM but lambasts when something wrong is in play.

[Rovin]

but from ever since companies formed suddenly getting big contracts from d govt in charge

happen with ministers family too , some putting their cousins or in laws as directors & getting big $$$ normel , when they get found out they like nah is no scene doh study dat is not mines dise meh family nuh me , dise dem own ......

[pugboy]

I surprised calabar foundation didn’t get a contract

[sMASH]

Serious question. I just heard on a talk show , from a staunch PNMite who says it like it is, that the Red House is made of Tapia ( mud and straw) and that is why the retrofitting and all the termite work was done. Anybody could shed some light? It was Richard Noray who is PNM but lambasts when something wrong is in play.

If was a tourist site that can generate income to sustain its upkeep, I can understand sustaining it, with all that antiquated materials.

But fir a working building, how often will it get strain, and need rework, and have to be sectioned off for work or actually shut down.


Is mud and staw u say, ehno.

Given our weather patterns and humidity, I would average a mice back to wTerfront in a 5 years.

[maj. tom]

Very unlikely. In fact, just not true. British architecture and engineering was used the build the first Red House laid in 1844.

The 2nd Red House (as we know the building today) was completed in 1907 with very modern works of its day. They used stucco extensively as a luxury coating on much ceiling of the building. Stucco is not mud and straw, that's adobe. Stucco is lime and sand (mortar) plaster. The decorative ornate work on the ceilings was called "gesso" which was a material similar to the carved gypsum ceilings we have today. They were made in panels in England and shipped to Trinidad in crates. They hired an Italian craftsman to install the ceiling. The building was designed and built by D. M. Hahn, Chief Draughtsman of the Public Works, at an estimated cost of £7,485 (£916,952.74 in 2019). There are pictures from the time of the building with no evidence of tapia.

I am pulling this info from well researched sources:
https://toddiaz125.wordpress.com/constr ... red-house/
http://nationaltrust.tt/location/the-red-house/
http://www.ttparliament.org/about.php?mid=37
https://books.google.tt/books?id=LQiuDw ... raughtsman

There is never any mention of "tapia" in any source on the Red House. Tapia/adobe however was a well known building material of other small home structures around that time and was the primary engineering technology by Indian immigrants for their houses. Those Indian migrants used cultural knowledge of thousands of years from India and built their huts with cow dung and clay covered straw and they could withstand the intense rain and heat of this tropical weather. There are huge structures in Africa (eg. Great Mosque of Djenné) built centuries ago and still standing today using that material.
http://www.icmtt.org/index.php/company/ ... apia-house



The reason why restoration projects cost so much, I had covered in a past post in the President's House project thread. Most of these costs are valid and justified in their context. Local contract awarding, corruption and the politics involved is a different matter.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=746281&p=9992595#p9992595

[sMASH]

them mud huts, they need yearly rework, because of the materials. i remember a documentary on that masjid, they use the rework as a kinda local festival.




but even before that, i remember, the chulha, u used to have to leepay it every so often, like once a week, to ensure it kept the form, and if u dont do it often, it would get too much fractures to remain sturdy.




at least, once is not no paper machete thing, somethign durable, well yeah good... ok.

[pugboy]

i feel it have leepay under them tiles

[Dizzy28]

Would be apt with the amount on gobar in there when Parliament in session

i feel it have leepay under them tiles

[The_Honourable]

I wonder if some of them costs are penalties. Remember there were work stoppages across time and it was only in the last year or two, they run to finish it.

[pugboy]

That is the thing, from the early days were there really any proper contracts in place ?

The true timeline of works will be very muddy
Only thing for sure is that it was a lot of vene labor used in the end.

I wonder if some of them costs are penalties. Remember there were work stoppages across time and it was only in the last year or two, they run to finish it.

[Redman]

https://www.celtest.com/cintec-anchors- ... g-trinidad

Interesting read.

[rspann]

As someone involved in construction, I can see that money being spent on a project of that magnitude. Remember, it's not the same as building a house or wiring a house. It's totally different both on scale and scope of works . The logistics are also different so it's easy for it to reach that figure , plus men want to eat nice as is de govament. What everybody seems to be upset about is the secrecy and the timing.

[Ben_spanna]

Sadly ANY competent QS can walk the site, check through All the doors Nd windows and you will all be able to witness the truth.. as if that will ever happen though..... well hrmph

[rspann]

https://www.celtest.com/cintec-anchors-red-house-building-trinidad

Interesting read.

Very. Imagine this was built with concrete without reinforcement and the reinforcement is now added. Very interesting technology.

[rspann]

https://www.celtest.com/cintec-anchors-red-house-building-trinidad

Interesting read.

Very. Imagine this was built with concrete without reinforcement and the reinforcement is now added. Very interesting technology.

[pugboy]

Just looked at that cintec info
They basically drill a long tube and slide in a sock and fill it with a type of grout
Does not seem to have any rebar or structure in it.
How does it not crack from shearing forces perpendicular to its length?

[rspann]

Just looked at that cintec info
They basically drill a long tube and slide in a sock and fill it with a type of grout
Does not seem to have any rebar or structure in it.
How does it not crack from shearing forces perpendicular to its length?

The anchor is either hollow or solid core, the grout sock goes around it and that is what is filled. There are pics available of the anchors, and pics of jobs done with the anchor showing. Look for cintec anchors , images.

And would you believe , we Red House up there in the pics.

[Rovin]

pnm ppl does believe anything their leader tells them




i sound like zoom dey yes .....

[rspann]

its alleged d speaker of d house has a company that got work on d redhouse ....

https://www.facebook.com/groups/unctt/p ... 336105122/

I don't think they correct with that one though. Bewil belongs to Berry Ferdinand.

[Redman]

The parliament channel ran a spot on the restoration....ther was a US lady talking about the wall and plaster restoration.
Much of the stuff on the walls had to be cast in place in order to reproduce them etc.

Why isn't there a web site that goes into some detail of what was done?