the right to bear arms

[j.o.e]

That judge is an idiot.

TTPS failed that person and the judicial process failed to account for the person's circumstance.

Should have reprimanded with a bond or some instrument to keep the peace recognizing his trauma and ordered him to apply for FuL and TTPS to evaluate his case after physcological clearance.

Nah by this logic anyone can say they have an illegal gun because they believe they were in danger. Lawyers will say what they have to, to win a case.
Jail he mc

[Chimera]

4years seems long
i think the laventille youths does get much less
usually a fine

is guilty he plead guilty u know

his lawyers are real freaking idiots to tell him to do that

they cud catch you hitting a man some gun butt to head and you can still plead not guilty

that case cudda go on for 20 years with no sentencing........and then firearm disappear and case thrown out

[Chimera]

Hunter on illegal gun charge fined $5,000
by

20110118
Reshma Ragoonath

Princes Town hunter Mustack Ali yesterday was ordered to pay $5,000 for possession of an illegal gun.

However, Ali's attorney, Rattanlal Bunsee, lamented how difficult it was to obtain a firearm user's licence "to protect yourself or to go hunting." Ali, 57, a father of two, of Realize Road, pleaded guilty to the offence which was committed on December 10, 2010.

He appeared before Magistrate Roger Ramgoolam in the San Fernando court yesterday. Ali was arrested by PC Nicolas Phillips and charged with having the illegal shotgun in his possession. Bunsee, in his plea in mitigation, stressed Ali did not have any "criminal intent" when he obtained the weapon. He said Ali had the gun for hunting. Court prosecutor Ramdath Phillip told the court Ali had a pending charge for manufacturing firearms. He was given two weeks to pay.


Man spared jail, fined $10,000 for illegal gun
by

20161229
Sascha?Wilson

A Claxton Bay man who claimed he found a loaded gun while drunkduring the Christmas season was spared a jail term yesterday.

Instead, Tony Jeffrey, 28, was ordered to pay $10,000 in fines for possession of pistol, which was loaded with six rounds of ammunition.

Jeffrey, the father of two girls, pleaded guilty to the two charges when he appeared before Deputy Chief Magistrate Nanette Forde-John in the San Fernando First Court.

He was arrested by PC Davin Nagessar of the St Margaret's Police Stationon Wednesday, at Hilltop Avenue, Claxton Bay.

Prosecutor Cleyon Seedan said around 3.05 pm the officer, along with his colleagues, while on patrol received a wireless transmission and proceeded to Hilltop Avenue.

Jeffrey who was standing on the road then looked at the police vehicle andbegan acting suspicious. When Nagessar approached and searched him, the officer found a black firearmin his front pocket of his trousers.

[pugboy]

yeah some real clowns
them bandit lawyers must be real laugh

4years seems long
i think the laventille youths does get much less
usually a fine

is guilty he plead guilty u know

his lawyers are real freaking idiots to tell him to do that

they cud catch you hitting a man some gun butt to head and you can still plead not guilty

that case cudda go on for 20 years with no sentencing........and then firearm disappear and case thrown out

[hover11]

That judge is an idiot.

TTPS failed that person and the judicial process failed to account for the person's circumstance.

Should have reprimanded with a bond or some instrument to keep the peace recognizing his trauma and ordered him to apply for FuL and TTPS to evaluate his case after physcological clearance.

Nah by this logic anyone can say they have an illegal gun because they believe they were in danger. Lawyers will say what they have to, to win a case.
Jail he mc

I wonder if the magistrates encouraging crimes watch at the sentences the criminals getting away with. Moral of the story DON'T PLEAD GUILTY because the courts will throw the book at you.Instead do what hardened criminals do, plead not guilty come out on bail and drag out the case for a decade and it'll eventually get thrown out for one reason or the other...

[pugboy]

them judges don’t live in the same world as the rest of the country

[hover11]

them judges don’t live in the same world as the rest of the country

Exactly they not exposed to crime they live in their ivory towers and gated communities oblivious to crime let one of them get hold up and feel the harsh reality of crime watch how they will finally gain understanding and stop applying the law conveniently

[hover11]

And now he can NEVER get a legal firearm because he is a convict. When I tell you the law is an ass you think is joke.

them judges don’t live in the same world as the rest of the country

[pugboy]

his lawyer was subhas panday, one would think he not so stupid

[mero]

Yea, but why you being seen with the firearm for ppl to call police on you? Now you inside and can't do one fk

Same thing I saying, soon as men get gun, dey brandishing the thing all over the place.

X3000.

Too many Trinis should not have easy access to legal firearms.

We should be focusing on proper policing. More mobile police stations in hotspot areas with direct communication with residents and panic buttons, more vehicles patrolling, more equipment, more training, more drones, more surveillance.

Paranoid emotional cowards with guns is a recipe for disaster. Pulling gun on people is a direct threat on life.

What if one of the people on Warren road had an FUL and felt their life was in danger?

What if one a dem ppl is actually or know a real rudeboy and not going through that ranking pull gun ting and now "Mr.fed up" have a whole extra set a problems waiting on him when he come out.

Now Imagine 30,000 sMASHs with guns unleashed onto our population.

[MaxPower]

Yea, but why you being seen with the firearm for ppl to call police on you? Now you inside and can't do one fk

Same thing I saying, soon as men get gun, dey brandishing the thing all over the place.

X3000.

Too many Trinis should not have easy access to legal firearms.

We should be focusing on proper policing. More mobile police stations in hotspot areas with direct communication with residents and panic buttons, more vehicles patrolling, more equipment, more training, more drones, more surveillance.

Paranoid emotional cowards with guns is a recipe for disaster. Pulling gun on people is a direct threat on life.

What if one of the people on Warren road had an FUL and felt their life was in danger?

What if one a dem ppl is actually or know a real rudeboy and not going through that ranking pull gun ting and now "Mr.fed up" have a whole extra set a problems waiting on him when he come out.

Now Imagine 30,000 sMASHs with guns unleashed onto our population.

Correct.

Recipe for disaster.

Now i will give the jacket to those genuinely responsible eh…i know rellll highly competent Trinis…not big big competitors eh….normal citizens, discreet, trained, alert and who understand safety. Men who does begg possible threats to leave them alone because they know they could switch them off easy easy….

But yuh see the amount of jackass in 30,000……nah boy

[mero]

Hope abusive man know all cutass stop, cuz wives can apply for one same way they can.

Real Joe grind going and get kill.

Man crazy wife, ex girl/man, stalker, scorned lover getting fire.

Real smally piggy syndrome man getting fire.

Real wanna be rankers getting fire.

Loss ah all fours, reach for de fire.

Men clowning yuh, reach for d fire

Everybody hand going and be reaching on dey waist for de fire

[redmanjp]

^i think the terms of the FUL can differ depending on the applicant's risk level. an ordinary person who wants a gun for home protection should be able to get 1 but it would be limited to their premises. persons who want to carry should have more pressing reasons e.g. they have been receiving death threats or have already been victims of crime especially business ppl.

so whereas plenty ppl can soon get it they can't carry it around -that would limit most of the scenarios mentioned.

[alfa]

So hear this. Was reading on a firearms page on FB some years ago that prior to 1970, anyone in Trinidad could have owned a shotgun. After purchase the owner of the store was required to write the commissioner informing him that John doe had just purchased a shotgun with serial number....

I know old timers who have legal shotguns from donkey years so they were probably part of that era.
And they're weren't any mass shootings, domestic violence general jackassery etc.

I believe if that is brought back to facilitate home defense shotguns not to leave the premises we could maintain a similar standard

[9YDMS]

Hope abusive man know all cutass stop, cuz wives can apply for one same way they can.

Real Joe grind going and get kill.

Man crazy wife, ex girl/man, stalker, scorned lover getting fire.

Real smally piggy syndrome man getting fire.

Real wanna be rankers getting fire.

Loss ah all fours, reach for de fire.

Men clowning yuh, reach for d fire

Everybody hand going and be reaching on dey waist for de fire

And bandits?

[MaxPower]

^i think the terms of the FUL can differ depending on the applicant's risk level. an ordinary person who wants a gun for home protection should be able to get 1 but it would be limited to their premises. persons who want to carry should have more pressing reasons e.g. they have been receiving death threats or have already been victims of crime especially business ppl.

so whereas plenty ppl can soon get it they can't carry it around -that would limit most of the scenarios mentioned.

red,

Excellent suggestion, and we also mentioned this earlier.

NO personal carry, only to be used at home.

[MaxPower]

And they're weren't any mass shootings, domestic violence general jackassery etc.

alfy,

Jackassery has evolved.

Social media fuels too much vice and encouragement.

[pugboy]

good article
https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/let ... d9b80.html

most who want/need guns is because the actual policing, detection and enforcement is poor

[MaxPower]

good article
https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/let ... d9b80.html

most who want/need guns is because the actual policing, detection and enforcement is poor

pug,

If actual policing, detection and enforcement is poor….then HOW can these same people be responsible for being involved in the FUL application process?

These same officers who contribute to poor policing, detection and enforcement are the same ones coming to your home to see the layout of your home and where the safe
is?

These same officers who contribute to poor policing, detection and enforcement are the same ones who you have to call when license firearms are stolen or used in a crime or other matter?

These same officers who contribute to poor policing, detection and enforcement are the same ones who are to ensure all citizens follow proper yearly renewal/competency?


These same officers who contribute to poor policing, detection and enforcement are the same ones who have to maintain law and order for responsible FUL ownership in public?

I have said it before…we need to fix the TTPS first before mass FUL approvals.

[pugboy]

Max,
you have a point but at this stage ppl need to not be a sitting duck
it is every man for himself

[88sins]

good article
https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/let ... d9b80.html

most who want/need guns is because the actual policing, detection and enforcement is poor

So he thinks it will be "every man for himself"
Apparently he didn't get the memo, it's already that way, with most men unarmed and simply waiting to see if/when they get taken, and damn near every criminal armed to the teeth and can choose their next victim at leisure

[sMASH]

Any one has stats that FUL civilians are a great hazard to tnt to date ?

I know I keep posting situations where civilian FUL deterred and reduced crime in this here thread . Jess hadda keep going back and story after story where FUL's salvaged the day.

I support more FUL's .

Carpenter, Carpenter how do u do,
Make me a coffin, saddle up to make a few

[sMASH]

^i think the terms of the FUL can differ depending on the applicant's risk level. an ordinary person who wants a gun for home protection should be able to get 1 but it would be limited to their premises. persons who want to carry should have more pressing reasons e.g. they have been receiving death threats or have already been victims of crime especially business ppl.

so whereas plenty ppl can soon get it they can't carry it around -that would limit most of the scenarios mentioned.

red,

Excellent suggestion, and we also mentioned this earlier.

NO personal carry, only to be used at home.

One can be robbed in public too, even in ur vehicle at a traffic light .

Victim mind set

[16 cycles]

So hear this. Was reading on a firearms page on FB some years ago that prior to 1970, anyone in Trinidad could have owned a shotgun. After purchase the owner of the store was required to write the commissioner informing him that John doe had just purchased a shotgun with serial number....

I know old timers who have legal shotguns from donkey years so they were probably part of that era.
And they're weren't any mass shootings, domestic violence general jackassery etc.

I believe if that is brought back to facilitate home defense shotguns not to leave the premises we could maintain a similar standard

There was a mechanism for agricultural land owners to own shotguns...more than one....that would have been incorporated into the FuL application process when it was implemented.

Basically register it at local TTPS station...could lodge it for keeping etc.

As the law changed, could not pass guns down to adult children without them applying for FuLs through the corrupt process. Guns had to be given up and melted/destroyed.

Newer generation of land owners had to salt, predial larceny, pest control etc were made more difficult.

[pugboy]

hunting use was given easier access to shotguns back in the day too
also after one of the coup attempts 1970 or 1990
they put in stupid stipulation that pellet guns must be smoothbore and no more air pistols
dunno which bright spark ag idea that was

[alfa]

1990 was done with illegal guns and 1970 with state owned guns.

Trinidad mentality is to just restrict everything without attacking the root cause, hoping it'll prevent reoccurrence

[hover11]

Question if everybody was armed would business owners still have need for security companies and their hefty packages such as the Syrian owned one in particular that is the second largest employer in this country?

[alfa]

You make a good point there hooves.
Never thought about that

[pugboy]

there would still be crime but a level or two down

[hover11]

I keep telling allya I watching this from a rich must get richer perspective ever since I heard those words my whole perspective of this country changed I now understand why the status quo remained the same